leyland1989
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[Cathay Pacific 828, A340-300, Economy Class, HKG-YYZ(via ANC)] In memories of Cathay Pacific's A340-300

Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:26 pm

Since airplane design has converged a lot in the last few decades, fewer and fewer unique airplane types are being flown by airlines. There were Quad, Tri-Jet, Twin, T-Tails, etc... Now, most airlines operate the similar types, such as the 777 and A330. Soon, there will be A350 and 787 everywhere dominating the sky.

Few weeks ago, China Airlines retired their A340-300 fleets, who were one of the few remaining operators of this type. I am sure A340-300 will largely disappear from the sky within the next 5-10 years once more A350 were delivered.

I have recently found this series of picture from my cold archive which was a flight report I wrote back in 2007 when a 'tech stop' at Anchorage was still a thing... and A340 were used for what it was intended, long-haul flights.

CX828 has been the second longest flight offered by Cathay Pacific until it was replaced by CX 811 to Boston in 2015. CX828 was branded as 'direct flight' to Toronto as an alternative to transiting at Vancouver. However, the only available type at the time was the A340-300, it does not have sufficient range to reach the East Coast in Summer without strong Jet Stream, a tech stop for re-fueling at Anchorage was almost mandatory.

Non-stop service was a luxury back then, Cathay Pacific was a little behind at that time since Air Canada has been offering non-stop flight on the same route with their A340-500 and charge a premium for it. Cathay Pacific was still heavily rely on the older, less capable A340-300 until late 2007 when the first 77W arrived, freeing up the 3*A340-600 which were used on the New York route to substitute the A340-300 on CX828.

2007 was the last year before CX828 becoming non-stop, I was very fortunate to be able to catch it before it became history, like the 747 and MD11

Here is the flight report from 10 years ago, on board CX828.


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Flight Info:
Flight: Cathay Pacific CX 828
Origin: Hong Kong International Airport
Destination: Toronto Pearson International Airport (YYZ/CYYZ)
Stop(s): Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport (ANC/PANC)
Departure: 20 July 2007, 1620 HKT
Arrival: 20 July 2007, 2130 EDT (Roughly)
Duration: 17hr20min
Aircraft Type: Airbus A340-300 (reg: B-HXC, 10.9 years Old (at the time))
Seat: 56A Economy Class

Old Style Boarding Pass,
I believe Cathay has changed their design 3 times in the last 3 years already.
Economy Class, Business Class and First Class each has their own template,
Economy being Green, Business being blue and First being Red.
Now they have combined the designs to save money.
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B-HXC, she wasn't sparkling new at the time, being just shy of 11 years old. Certainly not the oldest jet I have taken, even if I get the opportunity to fly her today.

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I must admit I have a soft spot for 4 engines jet, despite those CFM engines being mocked as hair dryer or 5 APU.
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The infamous gate 21 at HKG with its signature long jet bridge.
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One closer look at one of the CFM56 engine, The A340-300 fleet was one of the very few non-RR engine planes at CX at the time expect the newly arrived second-hand 747-400 from Singapore Airlines.
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Mandatory legroom shot.
People used to say about the good old days of flying, perhaps things hasn't declined much in the last 10 years, the legroom was about 31-32", not much better than today's standard if not worse. Seats were less optimised, being much thicker, not as well shaped and a almost useless foot rest in the way. (Foot rests were removed at some point to save weight before they introduced the infamous fixed shell Long haul economy seat)

Pardon me my sandals, I was quite young back then... At least I didn't wear socks with them.
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The overhead panel has a reserved sport for reading light in case the Airlines ops for 3-3-3 layout.
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Pushing back, went pass a Dragonair (now Cathay Dargon) A330-300
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If I remember correctly, B-HKD was the first non-RR engined 747-400s in the fleet, joining Cathay from Singapore Airlines in 2004. It was followed by a few more ex-Singapore Airlines 744, some turned into BCF, some remained in passenger service with Cathay until 2016.

Interesting (or may I say, depressing) fact, this aircraft is still currently siting (rotting) outside of the HAECO hanger since 2016 as the current owner Orient Thai cannot not afford the maintenance bill. The plane was held 'hostage' there as the result.
It has somehow become a landmark of HKG...
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Flaps deployed, I am always a fan of Airbus's clean, single slot flaps design.
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and other 747-400
B-HUJ, one of the last 744 to exit Cathay's fleet.
I was lucky enough to catch her 9 years later, before she retires in 2016.
And yes, I wrote a trip report for that.
[Cathay Pacific 542, Boeing 747-400, Economy Class, HKG-HND]
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Another 747-400 behind us...
The good old days when 4 engine planes rule.
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Taking off from 25L
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The infamous 5 APUs take off.
In her defense, the climbing performance of a A343 is not as bad as most people claim.
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Remember when they used to give out amenity kit to economy Class passengers?
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I don't think any airlines still do this today.
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The menu, Sorry for covering the english portion..
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Peanut and drink before meal.
It hasn't changed much.
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Sun set as meal being served
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In flight entertainment...
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First meal. The wooden tray! I don't remember the last time I saw them.
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First sun set... and yes, there will be a second one...
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The nightmare. It was quite out of date even back in the days since Air Canada has been offering AVOD since 2005 on their A340-500. I had taken it but I was way too young to have it recorded.
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Safety card, the design hasn't changed much.
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2nd meal before our fuel stop at ANC
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descending
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descending into Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport,
speed break deployed.
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JAL Cargo 747-400BCF and EVA AIR MD11F
Good old days indeed.
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I don't remember when they had started to request all passengers to go through CBP when the plane is refueling. A transit card is given to passenger as they wait in the lounge and to be collected when re-boarding the plane.
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Finally a good glance of the beauty.

Also noted there was a Southern Air 747-200F in the background...
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Another Southern Air 747-200F and Cathay Pacific's 747-400BCF sliver bullet!
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Closer look at the Southern Air 747-200F as we taxi
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Air China 747-400F
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Some Saaby
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Good old Dash
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The immortal DC3...
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Douglas C-133, only 50 were built
N199AB was flown by the State of Alaska and it was flown for the last time to Jimmy Doolittle Air & Space Museum in August 2008, a year after this picture was taken.
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Taking off once again. This time the aircraft is a lot lighter.
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The rockies
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Third meal.
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Second sunset.
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Baggage claim at Pearson T3
I haven't used T3 for a really long time, I think it still look roughly the same,
perhaps they have updated the lighting a little bit.
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That's the end
Thank you so much for reading!

More to come soon, including some standalone reports and a brand new 4 parts series. Hopefully I can find some old trip reports like this one from my archive too!


Past Trip Reports:
[American Eagle 4217, ERJ-145LR, Economy Class, JFK-YUL]
[JAL Japan Airlines 6, Boeing 777-300ER, Economy Class, NRT-JFK]
[Air Canada Rouge 1984+1985, A319, Slaveship Class]
[Cathay Pacific 542, Boeing 747-400, Economy Class, HKG-HND]
[JAL Japan Airlines 735, Boeing 767-300ER, Economy Class, NRT-HKG]
[JAL Japan Airlines 9, Boeing 777-300ER, Economy Class, ORD-NRT]
[American Eagle 2936, CRJ-200ER, Economy Class, YUL-ORD]
[Air Canada 464, Boeing 767-300ER, Business Class, YYZ-YOW]
[KLM Royal Dutch Airlines 692, MD11, Economy Class, YYZ-AMS]
[Air Canada 444, ERJ190, Business Class, YYZ-YUL-YOW]
Airbus:319,320,332,333,343,345,346
Boeing: 717,734,738,74R,742,743,744,74E,763,772,773,77L,77W,788,789
Misc:AT5,CN1,CR2,DH8,ER4,E75,E90,M11,S20
 
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Re: [Cathay Pacific 828, A340-300, Economy Class, HKG-YYZ(via ANC)] In memories of Cathay Pacific's A340-300

Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:14 pm

Wow! A blast from the past. Thanks for sharing your experience! Next week, I'll be flying this same route, except in a 77W and without a tech stop. How far we have come in 10 years!
 
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Re: [Cathay Pacific 828, A340-300, Economy Class, HKG-YYZ(via ANC)] In memories of Cathay Pacific's A340-300

Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:45 pm

Hi letland1989, you're trip report brought back fond memories of my flight on a CX A343. In 2014, my partner & I flew on sister plane B-HXE on flight CX279 from HKG to CDG, departing after midnight and landing at 7am. Sadly, all CX A343's are retired with I think B-HXA already scrapped/recycled. I haven't been able to find out the fate of B-HXE except that it's meant to be stored in Tarbes airport in southern France.

We didn't have a window seat, as on long haul, we prefer not to have to climb over anyone or have anyone climb over us to go to the loo or get up for a stretch. We ended up (not by choice) I think in 48D & E. The seats were the shell type and I remember reading on FT & other sites that these seats were not meant to be very comfortable. However, I found them quite comfortable, enough to get a few hours of sleep. Thanks for bringing back memories of this flight!
 
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Re: [Cathay Pacific 828, A340-300, Economy Class, HKG-YYZ(via ANC)] In memories of Cathay Pacific's A340-300

Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:59 am

Thank you for sharing that. I used to enjoy very much flying into ANC during summer, the photos you have taken are great.
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Re: [Cathay Pacific 828, A340-300, Economy Class, HKG-YYZ(via ANC)] In memories of Cathay Pacific's A340-300

Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:44 am

Wow this was an awesome TR. thank you for sharing. :)
 
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Re: [Cathay Pacific 828, A340-300, Economy Class, HKG-YYZ(via ANC)] In memories of Cathay Pacific's A340-300

Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:06 am

Great trip report! It's weird that we can now classify 2007 as "vintage" and "a blast from the past". I guess back then the A340 and 747 weren't anything all that special, now it seems like they're slowly becoming a rarity. I bet one day I'll be talking to my grand-kids about flying the "vintage" 787 like my grandfather talks about flying on the Caravelle!

leyland1989 wrote:
Remember when they used to give out amenity kit to economy Class passengers?
I don't think any airlines still do this today.


Thankfully, there are still some airlines that give these out in economy. I've gotten them recently on Air France, MEA, and Emirates, the latter being in a very beautifully designed little bag that I still use to store personal items. I guess economy flying isn't completely inhumane nowadays!
 
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Re: [Cathay Pacific 828, A340-300, Economy Class, HKG-YYZ(via ANC)] In memories of Cathay Pacific's A340-300

Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:27 pm

N415XJ wrote:
Great trip report! It's weird that we can now classify 2007 as "vintage" and "a blast from the past". I guess back then the A340 and 747 weren't anything all that special, now it seems like they're slowly becoming a rarity. I bet one day I'll be talking to my grand-kids about flying the "vintage" 787 like my grandfather talks about flying on the Caravelle!

leyland1989 wrote:
Remember when they used to give out amenity kit to economy Class passengers?
I don't think any airlines still do this today.


Thankfully, there are still some airlines that give these out in economy. I've gotten them recently on Air France, MEA, and Emirates, the latter being in a very beautifully designed little bag that I still use to store personal items. I guess economy flying isn't completely inhumane nowadays!

I remember when even Airberlin used to give out amenity kits, but they've just filed for insolvency
 
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Re: [Cathay Pacific 828, A340-300, Economy Class, HKG-YYZ(via ANC)] In memories of Cathay Pacific's A340-300

Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:00 am

Korean air and Singapore Airlines still hands out simple amenity kits on long-haul flights.

Thanks for the report! I never had the chance to fly CX when I was younger as it was almost always more expensive than AC from YVR so we took that instead.
 
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Re: [Cathay Pacific 828, A340-300, Economy Class, HKG-YYZ(via ANC)] In memories of Cathay Pacific's A340-300

Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:09 am

Did CX sell tickets on HKG-ANC or ANC-YYZ, or was it just simply HKG-YYZ with a fuel stop in ANC.
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Re: [Cathay Pacific 828, A340-300, Economy Class, HKG-YYZ(via ANC)] In memories of Cathay Pacific's A340-300

Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:33 am

USAirALB wrote:
Did CX sell tickets on HKG-ANC or ANC-YYZ, or was it just simply HKG-YYZ with a fuel stop in ANC.

It was just a tech stop similar to CI to JFK and BR to EWR using the 744 ages ago.
 
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Re: [Cathay Pacific 828, A340-300, Economy Class, HKG-YYZ(via ANC)] In memories of Cathay Pacific's A340-300

Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:24 am

USAirALB wrote:
Did CX sell tickets on HKG-ANC or ANC-YYZ, or was it just simply HKG-YYZ with a fuel stop in ANC.

Someone has answered, it was indeed just a tech-stop. they don't sell ticket (nor they have the rights to) on HKG-AND/ANC-YYZ. If I remember correctly, this stop can be skipped if the jet stream were strong enough.
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Re: [Cathay Pacific 828, A340-300, Economy Class, HKG-YYZ(via ANC)] In memories of Cathay Pacific's A340-300

Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:42 am

So. Many. 747s! I remember being in Hong Kong in 2010, seeing the various B747s around, only for the numbers to reduce significantly when I went back in 2014.

As far as amenity kits go - you have your three middle eastern airlines still offering them. In fact, I also got 'half' amenity kits on Air France and Delta when I flew from Bengaluru to Chicago early last year. Thank you so much for sharing such a wonderful trip report, and I truly enjoyed reading it! :)
 
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Re: [Cathay Pacific 828, A340-300, Economy Class, HKG-YYZ(via ANC)] In memories of Cathay Pacific's A340-300

Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:05 am

Great report about one of my favorite planes. If you still want to fly on the a340 then Lufthansa is your obvious choice from Europe to Asia (Munich to Shanghai)
 
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Re: [Cathay Pacific 828, A340-300, Economy Class, HKG-YYZ(via ANC)] In memories of Cathay Pacific's A340-300

Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:37 pm

Thank you, I'm becoming nostalgic. I used to fly Cathay a lot in the 00's and I remember that dark green IFE controller, the wooden-style meal tray, and bamboo-designed tray sheet. Oh, and the boarding pass! Great memories of them. What do you think of the meal quality now compared with back then?

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