Screening help.

Crosswindphoto · Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:10 am

Hi all,
I've gad a long string of rejections recently and need some prescreening/opinions. This photo ( https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... db3db332db ) was rejected after appeal for blurry and soft. I checked in LR, and other places and it isn't blurry or soft. Also, I will probably post some photos for prescreening in this thread.
Thanks and have a great day.
Tim

airkas1 · Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:26 am

It seems a little out of focus/blurry and very soft at best.

Crosswindphoto · Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:42 am

Fine.
Can I get these pre-screened?
https://www.airliners.net/user/photo-co ... to/5278631
https://www.airliners.net/user/photo-co ... to/5278637
https://www.airliners.net/user/photo-co ... to/5284015

airkas1 · Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:52 pm

Those links lead me to my own photo corner. To get the link, you need to right-click and copy the URL that way.
But here are those photos:
1) https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... a0fc5085ed
2) https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 70ef2d5532
3) https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 1ef3172ebf

1) Looks a bit blurry/soft, especially the cockpit and nose area.
2) Fuselage looks soft/out of focus.
3) Looks fine, but will likely get hit for motive (when we have uncovered photos in the database, a cover will usually trigger a motive rejection).

Crosswindphoto · Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:08 am

Thanks man,
i'm still at a loss as to how they can be soft, they were sharp when imported then some sharpening was added in LR.

Wordpress · Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:27 pm

I have to agree with Kas. Although in my opinion it's marginal, I'm not a screener.

Crosswindphoto · Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:51 pm

I just realised half of what I think i was doing wrong. i was exporting them with no added sharpening. (sharpen for screen) doh!
Can i get this shot pre-screned please? ( https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 8f0649ef7a )
Thanks.

Crosswindphoto · Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:54 pm

Oh, and Kas, about the possibility of a motive rejection on the Cessna 172 shot, It has had a slight livery change since the last upload of the reg. will that still count as a motive rejection? Should I add a comment to the screener?
Thanks!
Tim

Wordpress · Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:03 pm

Looks better but it needs some CCW rotation and it would be a motive issue imo.

airkas1 · Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:23 pm

Much better than the others, but still a bit soft. This looks much more fixable though. I'm personally OK with the covers, but others might not be as lenient. So up to you whether you want to chance it.
Regarding the C172, if it has a different livery, then it could be accepted. Please do write a comment regarding that to us.

Crosswindphoto · Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:26 pm

Hello everyone!

Can I get this one prescreeed? ( https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... f1294eb247 )
Many thanks,
Tim

fsx98 · Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:16 pm

The only major thing that I find noticeable is that it could use a little CCW rotation. Other than that, everything else looks fine to me, unless other screeners can chime in something else.

DL747 · Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:18 am

There's some borderline OS areas (registration mainly) and it looks a bit flat, other than that it looks nice. And it looks cold there!

JKPhotos · Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:26 am

It is definitely a bit off-level (Needs counterclockwise Rotation) and it needs more contrast. It is also a bit on the sharper side (as mentioned before).

Crosswindphoto · Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:14 am

East coast of Canada, we've already had 2 winter snowstorms and its freezing almost all the time. Ok thanks guys, ill re-queue it with the CCW rotation fix. Although I must ask, what does OS areas mean? And How are they flat?
Thanks
Tim

JKPhotos · Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:57 am

Flat means low contrast: That used to irritate me as well

OS= Oversharpened. In your case the cheatline and the titles show some jaggies (lines aren't straight, but jagged). Typically the result of too much sharpening applied.

As said before I would try a bit less sharpening on a new edit. More contrast will always make it look sharper anyway.
As for levelling use the horizon as a reference.

Hope it helps

Crosswindphoto · Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:24 pm

Fixed everything (I think at least.) How is it now?
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 533a91aa7b

Kaphias · Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:34 pm

Crosswindphoto wrote:
Fixed everything (I think at least.) How is it now?
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 533a91aa7b

Still oversharp. The edge of the open door, registration, trailing edge of the wing, and rudder trim tab all stand out to me.

Crosswindphoto · Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:07 pm

Better?
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 0405fb9e2e

Kaphias · Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:41 pm

Crosswindphoto wrote:
Better?
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 0405fb9e2e

Much.

Crosswindphoto · Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:01 pm

Thanks Man!

Crosswindphoto · Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:58 pm

Can I get this one pre-screened? Thanks.
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... ccc8bc69ce
(I tried cleaning up the noise as best as i could.)

JKPhotos · Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:49 am

I like the sky colour, still it is too noisy for airliners. As it is it won't make it.

I honestly find the fence quite disturbing as well, although that might be wihtin limits motive-wise.

Crosswindphoto · Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:13 am

Because of the low light, I was shooting at ISO 500, is there a way of cleaning up the noise better?

JKPhotos · Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:05 pm

Crosswindphoto wrote:
Because of the low light, I was shooting at ISO 500, is there a way of cleaning up the noise better?

Sure.
I can't tell what you did though...but I use DFINE 2 Plug-in for Photoshop and that would get better results. One should be able to get something out of ISO500 generally speaking, so that shouln't vount anything out.

Crosswindphoto · Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:59 pm

This is the setting for noise reduction and sharpening, I donthave PS, or DFINE 2, if DFINE 2 is free ill download it.
file:///C:/Users/Administrator/Desktop/sharpening.PNG

Crosswindphoto · Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:32 pm

Hey all,
Can I get a prescreen on this photo please? ( https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... da562be375 )
I ticked the "Nose" box in the view section. Is that the correct thing to do?
Cheers,
Tim

airkas1 · Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:54 pm

The King Air is a bit noisy, but otherwise should be fine.
the 757 is really nice, but nose category is not applicable. That is only for close-up of a nose and only when it doesn't show half the aircraft for example.

Dfine2 should be free, as it comes with Google's NiK software (which is free, just Google it).

Kaphias · Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:26 pm

airkas1 wrote:
Dfine2 should be free, as it comes with Google's NiK software (which is free, just Google it).

DxO picked up NiK after Google dropped it... it's no longer free, I believe.

Crosswindphoto · Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:38 pm

Hey everyone,
Can I get these shots prescreened? Thanks.
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 6425dba85c
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... f4cba36366
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 4b5e88c2d1
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 8cd074b644
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 27c95f2d80

Wordpress · Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:44 pm

Just me, I'm not a screener, but I see marginal noise on all of them, otherwise pretty good.
The Air Canada DH8D will probably get a motive rejection though.

airkas1 · Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:20 am

DH8D: not a great crop. Suggest to crop on the forward part of the engine (and no windows cut).
-FUWL: fine unless there are uncovered frames in the DB.
F2TH: noisy sky.
-GKOB: noise (overall), blurry forward fuselage and windows.
-GOAD: fine unless there are uncovered frames in the DB.

Crosswindphoto · Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:59 pm

Thanks to the both of you.

Regarding the MFC 172, it has had a livery change since the last photo uploaded to the DB, a comment to screener has been added.
Regarding C-GOAD, it is the first photo of the A/C n the DB.
The Jazz DH8D has been pulled from the queue.
Have a nice day guys!

Tim

airkas1 · Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:59 am

Then no problems for -FUWL and -GOAD. They qualify for priority screening so you can tick the priority box on the upload form for those.

Crosswindphoto · Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:43 pm

Can I get these few pre-screened please?
Thanks!
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... c58f90d85e (I ticked "government", was this the correct thing to do?)
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 44cd8a777f
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 9496c7e2e7
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 5ecabe12a2
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 9ae434263c

Runway28L · Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:28 pm

Just my

C-GYNK: Ok (Unsure about category)
C-GKFR: Blurry, noise
C-GOCX: Ok
C-GWJE: Borderline noise/OS, a bit too tight of a crop
C-GBIA: Noisy sky but otherwise ok

The last four could probably use a bit of NR to the background IMO.

Crosswindphoto · Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:40 pm

Pre-screen for this shot?
Thanks
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... ada10533c6

fsx98 · Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:11 pm

This shot could use a little CW rotation but otherwise okay (in my opinion).

Crosswindphoto · Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:48 pm

Hey guys!,
can i get this one pre-screened?
Thanks!
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... eecfe98b31

airkas1 · Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:07 pm

Looks really nice!

Crosswindphoto · Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:37 pm

Thanks for the kind words Kas!
Can I get these 2 pre-screened please?
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 28277d8220
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 443bdcc04a

Runway28L · Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:50 am

A bit too tight of a crop for the first one IMO. Second one looks ok to me.

Crosswindphoto · Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:07 pm

Can I get these 2 pre-screened please/
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... abc3b14f71
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... bce2def7e7

airkas1 · Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:41 am

They look alright to me.

Crosswindphoto · Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:36 pm

Hey all,
Can I get this shot pre-screened please?
Thanks,
Tim
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... b31b9eccfc

airkas1 · Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:29 pm

Looks nice.

Crosswindphoto · Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:35 pm

Thanks Kas!

Crosswindphoto · Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:38 pm

Can I get this shot pre-screened please?
Thanks and have a very merry Christmas!
Tim
https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/ai ... 0c2142aaf7

HarryLi · Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:03 am

Merry Christmas Tim !
Honestly, i'm not a fan of this crop/frame so i probably will SO this one due to iffy crop (IMO) to make fair decision. But the sky seems noisy and some areas of the a/c bottom are noisy too.

Cheers,
Harry

airkas1 · Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:58 am

The crop could be a little wider, but otherwise there is nothing wrong with the crop. Can’t judge the quality from my phone.

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