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Len90 2018 Pre/Post Screening

Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:00 am

Let's start off this year with a lot of rejections:

Blurry and Oversharpened: The only areas sharpened are windows, gear, cockpit, nose, registrations. Didn't see blur on the full sizes when I selected the images for processing and uploading.
DL 757: http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 973d098da4
B6 E190: http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... bceca99eae

Soft:
Aeroflot 77W: http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 224120ae27
- This one is kind of iffy along the window line. I sharpened it but think the color of the fuselage plays a role

Underexposed:
Kalitta 744: http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... e9d524ae70
- Not really sure of anything on this given it's similarity to the LH 744 that was accepted.
Air Berlin A333: http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 8db16fb25e
Delta A319: http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... acb8471796
- I know the sky is not the nicest for this but you can tell there is sunlight by looking at the number 2 engine. The question is how much room does this really have for acceptance before it goes the other way.

Darks:
Saudia 77W: http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... dd8b246764
- This also came with a noise rejection. Don't see any noise but will ultimately be choosing another shot from the sequence. The rear 3/4 shot came out a lot better.
Open Skies 757: http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 0a63994fe8
- Rejected for dark after a second opinion. Identical brightness to the Volaris A320 that was accepted in the same batch as this image.
Cathay 77W: http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 7201fd54b5
- This one also had a vignette. I've equalized this one in photoshop and looked at thumbnail size and there is nothing there. Brightness is the only part I am on the fence about.
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Re: Len90 2018 Pre/Post Screening

Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:13 am

Hi Len,
DL 757 : The nose and the cockpit and the title look like blurry to me. Do not see obvious Oversharpened.
B6 E190 : Do not see obvious blurry maybe some parts look slight soft. The nose and the tail (Jet Blue letters) look slight Soft to me.

Aeroflot 77W : The sharpness looks not so bad i think. The windows wich after the win look soft.

Kalitta 744 : I did a quick editing in my PS and it does could be brighter.
Berlin A330 : Also could be brighter i think.
DL A319 : Brightness looks ok to me at this situation.

Saudi 77W : Agree with Dark as it could be brighter.Noise looks ok to me.
757: Looks ok to me.
CX Oneworld : Dark problem looks ok to me although i think it could be brighter. Vignette is iffy to me as after using Equalize in PS i still can see slight black area in the upper right corner.

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Re: Len90 2018 Pre/Post Screening

Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:06 pm

Hi Len,

I mainly agree with Harry.

Neither the DL nor the Jet Blue look oversharpened to me, but on the DL the windows look at least rather soft and the Jet Blue looks infact slightly blurry.

Aeroflot: I agree that the light / fuselage colour plays a role, but the light wasn't great.

Kalitta: Looks fine to me.
Air Berlin: Is underexposed to me.
Delta: Maybe borderline for exposure, but looks also okay to me.

Saudia: definitely a bit dark, but I cannot see noise neither
Open Skies: Looks fine to me
CX. Tricky as (like the Air Berlin and the Saudi) it is rather top-lit. The high shadows give it a dark feeling, but the top looks a bit washed out. It is a bit brighter in the middle than on the corners, but ones has to look close to see that.
What the equalized version says shouldn't matter... Viewers won't equalize a shot.

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Re: Len90 2018 Pre/Post Screening

Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:35 pm

DL: We discussed this one already, right?
B6: has a blurryish/soft tail, but is otherwise OK for me
SU: soft
Kalitta, AB & DL are ok for me
Saudia: could use some brightness, but not bad
Open Skies: fine for me as well
The CX look alright to me, but light is very harsh.
 
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Re: Len90 2018 Pre/Post Screening

Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:35 am

Thanks for the help. Saudia will be a better image, B6 will be sharpened on the tail, SU gets sharpened.

Heres another one for the centering debate.

Rejected for High in Frame:
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 378d42a9de

I appealed with this statement: "Center of fuselage is placed slightly below the center point to account for that tall wing and winglet of the 767. Similar shots have had discussions in the past. Dropping the plane lower to get that wing away from the top of the frame is actually incorrect as the main subject will be sitting too low."

Rejected on appeal with Common, High in Frame, Personal with comment: "quite high in frame, easily recognizable when looking at the thumbnail".

This gets complicated by this acceptance:


Now look at both images and see where there is a difference, there is virtually none. This statement is backed up by the measurements.
Rejected image measurements:
Empty space from top of fuselage to top of frame: 297 pixels
Empty space from bottom of fuselage to bottom of frame: 262 pixels
Bottom of main gear to bottom of frame: 184 pixels
Accepted image measurements:
Empty space from top of fuselage to top of frame: 295 pixels
Empty space from bottom of fuselage to bottom of frame: 263 pixels (stopped at the copyright bar)
Bottom of main gear to bottom of frame: 180 pixels

What is one to do in this instance?
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Re: Len90 2018 Pre/Post Screening

Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:18 am

Hey Len.

actually as long as I've been on a.net it was always said you shouldn't center on the fuselage only and take the whole airplane into account. I know other websites supposedly have a different stance.
I think there would be an easy solution for yours, in the end it is only problematic because of the 16:9 crop (I d say the shot isn't suited for it), make a regular 3:2 out of it and there wouldn't be a debate. The debate is only there as the winglet almost touches the top of the frame.

Possibly due to the tail being higher the rejected image feels indeed higher in frame than the accepted one. That's all I can say.
 
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Re: Len90 2018 Pre/Post Screening

Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:38 am

The rejected photo is not high in frame. Yes, it looks like it, but when you qctually place the aircraft lower in the frame, it will look even even more out of balance. I've found out the hard way a while ago, where I rejected a similar photo for HIF, only to have the photographer reupload the same image but lower and it looked even worse.

Julien's solution will of course work. But I also agree with your appeal comment. Unfortunately it's already gone through the appeal process, so the only thing you can do is re-edit and place the aircraft a bit lower (a small subtle change, but change nonetheless, otherwise you'll get hit for reuploading).
 
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Re: Len90 2018 Pre/Post Screening

Sat Jan 27, 2018 3:33 pm

Thanks Kas! I prefer the 16:9 ratio for editing as it keeps a lot of dead sky space out of the frame. Unfortunately it has led to some aircraft shots that have these instances. A319s (especially with sharklet), B763 with singlet, and a few others will have this tall wing. You back my point perfectly about the balancing it out. I might go for a re-edit, I might not even bother as it is a basic aircraft at a regular location.

Julien, you are right about the balance of the shot. However you balance for the tall wing and the gear is riding way too low. The format change would work but then I would have to resort to 3:2 for every picture as I want things to look all the same.
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Re: Len90 2018 Pre/Post Screening

Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:58 am

Blurry and Oversharpened: http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... aef3e9605b
Only areas sharpened: windows, cockpit, nose, gear, registration. Registration probably is the only thing that looks to have any signs of being a bit sharp. Not sure where the blurry is coming from
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Re: Len90 2018 Pre/Post Screening

Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:19 am

The website on the engine looks slight blurry especially the glare area. The stabilizers and the nose area look more soft than other areas. So i think maybe the blurry comes from unbalanced sharpness of the aircraft. Besides, i think it could have bit of more sharpness. ( But REG is close to OS )

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Re: Len90 2018 Pre/Post Screening

Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:40 pm

Re. the Caribbean 737, I wouldn't say over sharpened, but definitely blurry (especially visible in the main title and nose). There are cases where sharpening has been used to compensate for blur and it results in an odd mix of the both. I'm not seeing so much of that in this image, but definitely would earn a "blurry" rejection.

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Re: Len90 2018 Pre/Post Screening

Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:32 am

A few new ones:

Delta 737 Overexposed: http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... b2e11dd4f8
- Maybe like at most .15 over but didn't think really an issue given a lot of underexposed rejections I have had

AeroMexico E190 Soft: http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 8bacf9d7f4
- Is it just all over?

BA 747 Colour/OS: http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 73663964e1
- Not sure how it is oversharpened when all I touch are the gear, windows, cockpit, nose, registration. Colour usually comes with a personal if it is a color cast so this will need some clarification

Virgin A333 Soft/OS/Personal: http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 0425766b41
Sharpening the same setup as the BA 747. I'm not seeing jaggies anywhere that would hint at OS. Personal was a OS everywhere except for left wing which is Soft.

Delta 767 Blurry/Soft/Category/Personal: http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... f476bac80a
- The personal was telling me it should be colorful paint for the nose decal, but I didn't think those were enough to classify as a colorful special... live and learn on that I guess. As for the blurry, I pulled the full size and there is no blur on it. Is it just soft then? If so what needs sharpening.
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Re: Len90 2018 Pre/Post Screening

Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:24 am

Hi Len, here's my take:

1. Delta 737: Nose/cockpit area is blown; the tail area including registration as well as the window line number looks soft.
2. AeroMexico E190: Your assessment is correct, i.e.generally soft all over
3. BA 747: Don't see over sharpening or color issues. The image needs contrast though. It looks rather flat/washed out.
4. Virgin A333: This one strikes me as the blurry w/OS to compensate. Whether you intended it or not, to my eyes, it looks that way especially in the front half of the aircraft.
5. Delta 767: I screened this one. I see the nose as blurry (notably in the front), window line looks soft. You could try selective sharpening on the nose, but it may get the blurry/OS look to it. See how it looks at 1024 pixels. The lighting is not the best which does not help either. As for the Category (colorful paint), it is for reference. If the image was otherwise acceptable, I would have changed the paint designation and accepted it. Typically, by itself, a Category issue should not result in a rejection if everything else is OK.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Len90 2018 Pre/Post Screening

Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:32 am

Jehan,

Thanks for that quick response. For the delta you screened, the category just got me a bit for a nose decal. I can try selective on the nose. Don't really want to touch the decal as that will easily result in an OS with the fine lines. Nice that you don't outright reject for a category rejection... that's happened in the past :)
Virgin A330: only spot on the full size I see anything is the RR logo on the engine and the name Miss England (almost assume to see it with the angle it is captured at). I'll look at a different shot from the sequence.
BA747: Really doubt I can add any contrast to it as the gear and belly will then get me hit for too much contrast.
Aeromexico: good I saw it the same way. Might have missed my sharpening pass on that one while editing half asleep.
Delta 737: Think those will fall more in line sharpening wise if the exposure is corrected.
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Re: Len90 2018 Pre/Post Screening

Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:12 pm

Len,
Re. the DL 737, I tried a quick edit in PSE. Reducing the brightness by 8 and boosting the contrast by 10 results in an image that I would find acceptable. Boosting the contrast results in a crisper image mitigating the softness that I see.

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