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Post screening

Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:38 pm

Hello everyone, hope everything is fine.

Decided to give a try uploading a batch last week. It was all going well the first nine, three accepted e and six rejected, considering I’ve not edited any photo for a.net since the first half of February it was very reasonable. The last five pictures all got rejected, and I would like some opinions.

Thanks in advance.

Skygates 747
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 553685b46f
After HQ 1, blurry and oversharpened.

Ethiopian 787
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 21a56a002f
Blurry, oversharpened (soft with jaggies).

Gol 737
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 88d15c7d89
Dirty (not mentioned where) and soft. Where are the dirty and is it really soft?

TAM A319
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 8d746c5f02
Soft, dirty (all around the tail) and editing (poor sky editing). Whats happened to the sky and where are the dirty around the tail?

TAME Embraer
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 619ed1cda1
Dark and high contrast. I sort of agree on this one, but any opinions would be welcome.
 
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Re: Post screening

Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:34 am

Hi,
Let's talk about that two photos that were rejected with Dirty.
I used " Equalize " to check them in my PS and indeed see some obvious dirty spot there. Here is the result :
Image
Image
You can also have a check again by yourself. ;) If screeners rejected them with Dirty and you can't see any, you can use Equalize to check again. I also do it in my editing steps.
Besides, the sharpness of them look ok to me. Not bad to me.

Regarding to the SKYGATES, Agree with OS reason as a little bit jaggys under the wing i think. Blurry is iffy to me.
ET 787: Some parts look soft but some look little bit OS i think ( Some jaggys )
Contrast of Embraer could be reduced a little bit i think. Also could be brighter. :roll:

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Re: Post screening

Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:47 pm

I think dark/contrast for the ERJ is A.net's way of suggesting that the light is poor and you'll struggle to get it in. Lighting is certainly tricky enough for me not to bother wanting to edit it (if it were mine)!

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Re: Post screening

Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:17 am

I won't address the Dirty rejections, since Harry has already covered that.

Skygate seems a bit OS, should be an easy fix.
Ethiopian looks acceptable to me.
Gol and TAM look maybe a touch soft, but I'd say probably acceptable.
TAME - contrast and brightness look perfectly fine - they're just a product of the light (which, while not perfect, should be perfectly acceptable, I think). It does look soft to me, though.
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Re: Post screening

Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:42 pm

The Sky Gates looks soft to me :/
The rest is OK for me (except for the dirty that was pointed out).
 
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Re: Post screening

Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:54 pm

Harry, Karl, Vik and Kas, really appreciate all your comments and tips.

There is indeed some dust spots on GOL and TAM, already cleaned up them and add a small amount of sharpness and uploaded again. About TAME and Ethiopian, I'll give a try with appeal. Skygates I'll reduce sharpness a bit (oversharpened 3 x 1 soft :lol: ).

Four more pictures, the first two are very special for me (but I know that doesn't matter to a.net) as it was the first and second time ever an An124 landed im my hometown airport.

Volga Dnepr
Rejected only for cyan cast, corrected and now rejected for blurry and soft.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... d3814612c6

Antonov Airlines
Rejected for soft and magenta cast, correct, and now rejected for high contrast and magenta cast again.
About contrast there is nothing to do, the plane is correctly exposed and the background simply don't have enough light. Magenta cast is really that bad? Color balance is a little tricky on this one because on the right you have the sodium lights and on the left LED lights.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... af4a1ba080

Azul
Rejected only for oversharpened, corrected and rejected for blurry and oversharpened.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 1a9ccefb61

Gol
Rejected for green cast, corrected, HQ1 and then soft, high contrast and underexposed. Considering its the very last rays of sun, looks ok to me...
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 32b3c4c455

Thanks in advance,
Thiago Trevisan
 
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Re: Post screening

Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:17 pm

trevisan26 wrote:
Harry, Karl, Vik and Kas, really appreciate all your comments and tips.

There is indeed some dust spots on GOL and TAM, already cleaned up them and add a small amount of sharpness and uploaded again. About TAME and Ethiopian, I'll give a try with appeal. Skygates I'll reduce sharpness a bit (oversharpened 3 x 1 soft :lol: ).

Four more pictures, the first two are very special for me (but I know that doesn't matter to a.net) as it was the first and second time ever an An124 landed im my hometown airport.

Volga Dnepr
Rejected only for cyan cast, corrected and now rejected for blurry and soft.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... d3814612c6

Antonov Airlines
Rejected for soft and magenta cast, correct, and now rejected for high contrast and magenta cast again.
About contrast there is nothing to do, the plane is correctly exposed and the background simply don't have enough light. Magenta cast is really that bad? Color balance is a little tricky on this one because on the right you have the sodium lights and on the left LED lights.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... af4a1ba080

Azul
Rejected only for oversharpened, corrected and rejected for blurry and oversharpened.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 1a9ccefb61

Gol
Rejected for green cast, corrected, HQ1 and then soft, high contrast and underexposed. Considering its the very last rays of sun, looks ok to me...
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 32b3c4c455

Thanks in advance,
Thiago Trevisan


Are you from Brazil too?

But let talk first about the pictures

#1. I'm not so sure abou this one. I think some points are soft, but not the whole a/c.
#2. In the right side is a little magent cast. In my monitor and point of view is ok, but will be better a opinion from a screener.
#3. I don't agree about the blurry point but it's a little oversharpened (I can see jaggies aroung the words)
#4. I think just a little more exposure will be alright, This one is bordeline to me.

Just some opinions, I think will be better wait a comment from A.net screener team.

Vinicius
 
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Re: Post screening

Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:02 pm

The two appeals were accepted :D

I think its worth saying that on Antonov Airlines, the color on the right bottom is the result of the light from the car on the right, it was so strong I decided do crop the image at the engines instead of showing the full wingspan because it was a little distracting.

I'll be waiting for a few more opinions, because as we know, everyone can see it different. Anyway, thanks very much for your opinion Vinicius. I'm from Porto Alegre and looks like you're from Brasília, would be nice to met you for a spotting session one of these days. Cheers!
 
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Re: Post screening

Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:40 am

trevisan26 wrote:
The two appeals were accepted :D

I think its worth saying that on Antonov Airlines, the color on the right bottom is the result of the light from the car on the right, it was so strong I decided do crop the image at the engines instead of showing the full wingspan because it was a little distracting.

I'll be waiting for a few more opinions, because as we know, everyone can see it different. Anyway, thanks very much for your opinion Vinicius. I'm from Porto Alegre and looks like you're from Brasília, would be nice to met you for a spotting session one of these days. Cheers!


I totally understand and agree with you! And yes! Let`s meet some day to do a spotting session in Brasilia or Porto Alegre!

Congrats for your shots!
 
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Re: Post screening

Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:53 pm

First one: The sharpness looks not bad but could be more sharp. And the blurry might be given due to Soft issue as i didn't see very obvious blurry area.
Second : Color problem seems not very serious but the magenta could be reduced some in order to be more comfortable. And the contrast also could be reduced some i think.
Azul : Sharpness looks not bad. But some parts seem have some jaggys but looks not serious.
GOL : I did aquick editing to it. And it seems that there is still some space for you to increase exposure. Regarding to the color issue, i would say that i will tend to reduce some green as i feel little bit green too and it uncomfortable for me. But if you are Nikon user i think is a common phenomenon. And i will reduce little bit contrast although the situation looks not bad.
My personal perspectives.

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Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:19 pm

Volga: looks ok, except for the strong blues. I think that can be reduced more in the RAW converter, by tweaking the Kelvin slider and reduce the blues in the saturation area.
Antonov: same as the Volga.
Azul: mostly looks ok, although the tail is a bit soft (which could've been mistaken for blurry).
GOL: has a strong yellow cast that can be reduced without messing up the 'low sun' idea. It could also use some more brightness. Sharpening looks ok to me.
 
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:05 pm

Azul: The writing going down the fuselage and window line are what make it look blurry. Think it just looks soft in the depth of field. What was the f stop for that shot?
GOL: sharpening on it looks okay to me, but once again I'm on a bad display to be judge this with.
Volga, Antonov: agree completely with Kas
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Re: Post screening

Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:19 am

Harry, Kas and Len, thanks once again for the feedback. I'll follow the advices and correct the color balance on both An124 photos. Gol will have a increase in brightness and reduced color cast. About Azul, I'll add a little sharp to the tail and see how it goes, it was taken at f7,1 and 170mm.

Both pictures I previously asked feedback before were rejected again. What do you guys think?

Gol
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... deef167416
Soft, editing and banding. "poor sky editing"

TAM
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... d18cddce29
Editing, oversharpened, halos and banding. "Poor sky editing, haloish around main gear"

Ukraine Air Alliance An12
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 82ff71b6cb
Oversharpened, underexposed and dirty. I can see the dust spot as pointed in the comments, but not sure about the other two reasons. Weather was certainly not on my side, but the whites look already bright.

Thanks in advance,
Thiago Trevisan
 
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:34 pm

The GOL and TAM are fine. I would suggest appealing them. Shoot me an E-mail once you've done so.
The exposure of the AN12 is ok too.
 
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Re: Post screening

Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:36 pm

First, although a little late, happy new year for everyone.

Had 3 rejections today and would appreciate some feedback.

An225. Rejected by blurry, soft and quality.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... df0fbc9cab

Westjet. First rejected by left in frame and oversharpened. Now low contrast and soft. While there is room for more contrast it doesn't look unacceptable as it is for me.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 5a4f34e4fe

Antonov 12. Oversharpened and overexposed. I had already reduced the amount of sharpness applied this time. Exposure looks fine for such weather.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... df6e1406ca

Thanks in advance,
Thiago Trevisan
 
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Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:22 pm

An225: More soft than blurry to me. This might be a common frame. If so, standards are higher.
Westjet: looks OK for me.
An12: Not seeing over exposure. Image has a slight green color cast. Some minor jaggies visible on the nose area, but not fatal, IMO.

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Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:39 am

Thanks a lot Jehan. I reworked the An225 and the An12 since the color cast bothered me and I could easily reduce the amount of sharpness on the nose. Will appeal the Westjet.

A few more rejections... Any feedback would be appreciated. In my opinion, blurry (many times with oversharpened together) is being overused as rejection reason. Editing on retina display for a.net is terrible, but the originals looks good and very similar to my other pictures accepted.

747-8 Blurry and Soft.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 52e62ae614

Caribbean 737 Blurry Oversharpened and Banding.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 9f5ed317cf

Delta 757 Oversharpened, overexposed and Blurry.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 9b77046992

Last one, Avianca Cargo A330. Version rejected by soft vs new edit. Which one looks better?
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... c57ea7fe4c
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... b55d212012

Thanks in advance,
Thiago Trevisan
 
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Re: Post screening

Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:55 am

In my opinion, blurry (many times with oversharpened together) is being overused as rejection reason.

When the OS and blurry appear at the same time , it means that the Oversharpened compensate Blurry.
Regarding to the B748F, i agree with these reasons. The whole aircraft looks soft and the front part especially the nose (Soft) part look blurry ( The letters ).Engines' part look bit of soft.
Carribean 738: Sharpness looks not so bad to me although the REG looks slight OS. But banding effect appears in the sky. Don't see obvious Blurry but some parts look soft.
DL 757: Exposure of the aircraft looks not bad but the BG part ( Sky ) looks bit of Overexposure i think.The title has slight OS trace which compensate the Blurry i think. With respect to this kind of photo or this kind of weather i will choose another angle which have more building or other constructions (If there are lots of) as they can cover some sky space so that i can avoid the overexposure of Sky. :)
A330F: I would say that there is no obvious difference between them ... wait more replies maybe ?

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Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:42 pm

B747-8: Agree with screening results and Harry's comments.
Caribbean 737: Overall blurry. Some OS on the titles and registration
Delta 757: Soft and low contrast. Not seeing OS. The lighting is quite poor. My experience with this type of conditions has been to carefully blend exposure, contrast and noise reduction.
Avianca Cargo: The original looks a little soft. THe new edit is acceptable for m

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Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:39 pm

Thanks very much Harry and Jehan for the specific feedback. I'll let the freighter and Caribbean go and reworked the Delta, lets see how it goes.

Any opinions about motive and HIF on this one? Low contrast and soft looks like an easy fix. Motive was to show how close you could get for spotting without any security (before the road was closed).
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 8df34c337b

Regards,
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Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:33 pm

I'm OK with it.
 
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Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:56 am

I love airport noise and love that image!

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Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:47 am

Thanks Kas and Jehan. The new edit is on the queue.
 
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:54 pm

The Westjet and other Gol edit were accepted on appeal.

More rejections:

1) LAN Cargo 777
Rejected for underexposed.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 03532e107f
Same edit with some more brightness rejected for blurry, oversharpened and underexposed.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... a3e149cc36
Light is not the best but we have seen similar ones accepted.

2) 747-8
Rejected fo blurry, overexposed, oversharpened and noise.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 1698e966a6

Thanks in advance,
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:42 pm

The Lan re-edit and 747 are both passable for me.
 
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Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:39 pm

Thank you Kas. The 747-8 was accepted and LAN rejected by overexposed, underexposed and oversharpened.

From the last month.

Low in frame, soft and overexposed. (First time by soft and underexposed. Small amount of brightness applied).
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 52d94fae86

The Avianca A330 which was rejected by soft, then soft and oversharpened is now overexposed, soft and heat haze. It was a cold morning (about 15C degrees) and I was standing less than 100m to the center of the runway with only grass in between, exposure is about the same of last rejections. Any thoughts on soft?
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 340d15c336

Wing view rejected by soft.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... d7de023a27

Last, AF A340 rejected on appeal for blurry, oversharpened and overexposed. Taken at 1/800s, 122mm and f8… What parts are blurry?
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 540b3a9005

Thanks in advance.
 
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Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:36 am

BA A318: looks alright. Not great, but not great conditions either.
AV A330: titles maybe a little soft, but otherwise ok.
GOL: looks fine
AF A340: not OS/OE, blurry is debatable, but passable for me
 
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Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:21 am

trevisan26 wrote:
The Avianca A330 which was rejected by soft, then soft and oversharpened is now overexposed, soft and heat haze. It was a cold morning (about 15C degrees) and I was standing less than 100m to the center Thanks in advance.


Hey Thiago,

totally off-Topic, but there is nothing to add to Kas Feedback anway.
You consider 15C degrees a "cold" morning? Damn, that made me smile... I just came back from a short sneak to the airport before work to catch the Swiss "Romandie" Special and it was - 9C degrees. That would be a "cold" morning for me ;-);-)

By the way, really nice shot. Would love to shoot so close to the runway as well.

Cheers,
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Re: Post screening

Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:26 pm

airkas1 wrote:
BA A318: looks alright. Not great, but not great conditions either.
AV A330: titles maybe a little soft, but otherwise ok.
GOL: looks fine
AF A340: not OS/OE, blurry is debatable, but passable for me


Thanks as always Kas. About the A340, a new edit with small changes on contrast and crop would be ok to avoid reupload rejection?

JKPhotos wrote:
Hey Thiago,
totally off-Topic, but there is nothing to add to Kas Feedback anway.
You consider 15C degrees a "cold" morning? Damn, that made me smile... I just came back from a short sneak to the airport before work to catch the Swiss "Romandie" Special and it was - 9C degrees. That would be a "cold" morning for me ;-);-)
By the way, really nice shot. Would love to shoot so close to the runway as well.
Cheers,
Julien


Hey Julien,

Yes, cold morning was a bit unfair :lol: It was more on the sense of "cold enough" to avoid heat haze being close.

In the South of Brazil where I live the lowest temperatures we see are usually around 5C degrees on cold days during the winter, so sadly no plane spotting with snow which would be nice.

It was an awesome experience being close to the runway in Ecuador. In FRA, its not to the runway, but you get quite close to the taxiway with your wide angle shots. Guess its a little closer than 100m? The wings look awesome in those shots.

Cheers
 
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Re: Post screening

Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:35 am

The Avianca A330 was rejected on appeal by Oversharpened, Overexposed and LIF...

Another three with blurry as reason, any thoughts?

Westjet 737: Blurry, Oversharpened and CW rotation. Taken at 58mm, f8 and 1/1000s.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... c49ed683da

ROKAF F4: Blurry. Taken at 16mm and 1/400s. (New reg)
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... d0e4fc455b

Global Africa Cargo MD-11F. Blurry and oversharpened. Taken at 300mm, f8 and 1/1000s.
This one was already rejected on appeal but I would appreciate feedback anyway.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 08f1c56378

Cheers,
Thiago Trevisan

Edit. Forget this one. Air Berlin A330. Heat haze, CCW and soft. Also new reg for DB.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 5d9d72f819
 
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Re: Post screening

Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:57 am

Global Africa: Not seeing blurry, tail and titles maybe where they get the OS. More than likely a victim of the lighting not being the best

Westjet: Looks a tad OS, worst being the winglet. Level looked okay

ROKAF: no thoughts on that

Air Berlin: It's a very slight CCW rotation. Maybe like .25-.5 degrees. Soft window line. Can't see any waviness of heathaze at 1100 wide.
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