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Re: Feeling compressed... and seeing blur!

Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:17 pm

I agree with Kas that this one seems over-sharpened. Especially the tail , jaggy seem to be very obvious.
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Re: Feeling compressed... and seeing blur!

Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:22 pm

Thanks again. I did like the shot with the boat in the foreground but I think I'll try another shot in the sequence.

Had another batch or rejections last night....
UPS MD-11F - http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... fb7a73536d
for Blurry Compression Oversharpened Motive Personal Message Underexposed
Personal message read "motive issue for cropped stabilizer was noted from previous rejection, Please correct all rejection reasons when re-uploading otherwise a warn/ban will be issued again."

Now I believe this crop is in keeping with these accepted examples
http://www.airliners.net/photo/United-P ... P4mgMJU%3D
http://www.airliners.net/photo/United-P ... P4mgMJU%3D
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Singapor ... TrugGtuysf
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Jetstar- ... crHg%3D%3D
etc, etc, etc....

Have the rules changed for this style of crop?
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Re: Feeling compressed... and seeing blur!

Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:58 am

I think the crop is fine and I don't think rules have changed for that.

I am honestly a bit shocked that you got threatened with a ban for that (though of course I cannot tell what happened behind the scenes).
 
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Re: Feeling compressed... and seeing blur!

Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:37 am

sausten wrote:
Have the rules changed for this style of crop?
Thanks
Steve


I believe the ban warning was because they issued a rejection and that you didn't correct the obvious reason for the rejection (with a motive behind the explanation).

It does seem a bit surprising (that the motive was not accepted) - but I'm sure the screener in question will show us an example of the previously rejected shot to prove their point.
 
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Re: Feeling compressed... and seeing blur!

Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:11 am

Here is the first edit I uploaded.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... bc08f89cb0
First edit rejected for Blurry Oversharpened Motive Personal Message Noise
My decision to upload a new edit with same crop was a result of years of experiences having this sort of crop being accepted. Hopefully we will get some clarification from the screener.
I should also cite these recently accpeted shots of mine with the same crop.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Etihad-A ... nWdQNjSirX
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Singapor ... nWdQNjSirX

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Re: Feeling compressed... and seeing blur!

Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:21 pm

Hi Steve,

The crop is fine. The titles do look a bit iffy, but from experience I recall that the UPS titles always look fuzzy.
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Re: Feeling compressed... and seeing blur!

Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:06 pm

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Re: Feeling compressed... and seeing blur!

Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:58 am

Thanks. I assume the screener has also been notified that this crop is acceptable.
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Re: Feeling compressed... and seeing blur!

Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:03 am

sausten wrote:
I assume the screener has also been notified that this crop is acceptable.

A general message was left that the crop is fine.
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Re: Feeling compressed... and seeing blur!

Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:41 am

airkas1 wrote:
A general message was left that the crop is fine.


Had this one rejeceted the other day...
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 0acffc4fe2

Originally rejected for Blurry Compression Oversharpened. Considering the MD-11 shot was accepted on appeal, I felt this one was of the same quality and may stand a chance. Rejection was upheld on appeal for - Blurry Motive Oversharpened Personal Message Quality.

What has me puzzled is that the personal message was "also not a great wing crop"

Hmmmmm...

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Re: Feeling compressed... and seeing blur!

Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:33 am

Oversharpened, maybe the emblem of the United Arab Emirates on the tail? I can't see anything else obvious and even what I'm thinking is oversharpened is marginal.

I equalised the image to look at compression and I didn't see anything particularly noteworthy, but I'll defer to others there.

Motive looks the same as the MD-11 shot to my eyes.
 
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Re: Feeling compressed... and seeing blur!

Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:30 pm

Thanks Chris. I guess no one else feels comfortable commenting on this one.

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Re: Feeling compressed... and seeing blur!

Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:55 am

sausten wrote:
And another sad tale...
This one was originally done for oversharpened
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 07a0682ec9
I appealed and cited this accepted shot by Mark H ( I try to match standards the screeners are submitting themselves)
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Qatar-Ai ... %2BgHxCDFI
Rejection was upheld for Blurry Oversharpened Personal Message Quality.
Would love some further 'feedback' from the head screener as to the differences between these two edits.


airkas1 wrote:
It's a bit too sharp in general (especially the tail), but other than that I'd say the images are quite equal in terms of quality.


OK, so after the next shot in the sequence was rejected for ''Oversharpened Underexposed'', I went back to this shot given that feedback here did not suggest any blur, and I liked the composition with the boat in the foreground.

The latest edit was just rejected for ''Blurry Compression Oversharpened Personal Message Underexposed'' with the personal message being "Image has been rejected multiple times even after appeal its blurry/oversharpened."
Here is the latest edit - http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 27909baaad

Well this is a new edit that has not been through an appeal yet. Again, when compared to Mark's shot I see no more/less blur, no more/less compression, and I believe there are fewer jaggies.

So, I will repeat my request (which has also been made multiple times) for '' some further 'feedback' from the head screeners as to the differences between these two edits.''

I am not trying to be difficult, I genuinely would like to know where the screeners see the differences.

Thanks

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Re: Feeling compressed... and seeing blur!

Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:17 am

sausten wrote:
Thanks Chris. I guess no one else feels comfortable commenting on this one.

Steve


Hey Steve,

the Etihad does seem a bit oversharpened to me towards the back -> Formula 1 letters, tail sign. I really can't see any blur, and don't see anything wrong with the crop. Plenty of similar crops in the db.

Speaking of the QR, I am not a headscreener, but I can still try some feedback.

It doesn't look underexposed at alll to me, but sharpening is a bit iffy. I can see some jaggies all over and the front doesn't look to be the sharpest (I don't like that blurry expression too much as this too hard to tell at 1.200px).

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Re: Feeling compressed... and seeing blur!

Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:37 am

Hi , Steve
Regarding to the QR A388 the latest editing version. First of all, the crop is definite ok i think as i saw lots of similar crop in DB before. Besides, the exposure of it is ok to me too. I don't consider that this one has " Compression " issue. However, the sharpness is iffy i think. And i agree with Julien that there are some jaggies there. I do not see very obvious blurry from this one.

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Re: Feeling compressed... and seeing blur!

Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:56 am

Thanks for the feedback guys. I understand what your saying about the sharpening. I do not believe the shot is blurry, or underexposed, or suffering from compression issues. If that is so, then this shot still has a chance of being accepted.
What is the likelihood of being threatened with/or being banned if I submit another version of this shot?

Steve
 
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Re: Feeling compressed... and seeing blur!

Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:08 am

Hi Steve,

Regarding the EY 777; It does look a bit blurry to me, especially at the nose and nose gear. I also agree that has an oversharpened feel at the nose area (incl. gear, more like 'oversharpened to compensate blur'). Regarding the motive (crop), I can understand that one as well. The difference is marginal, but with the EY it looks like you ony cropped off the tip of the wing & hor.stab., where that looks to be less the case for the UPS MD-11. With that in mind, it would be better to just leave the wingtip/hor.stav. edge in the photo. But like I said, I understand that the difference is marginal and this will always be a bit subjective. But all in all I agree with this one.

The QR; for me it's not compressed or underexposed. But I've been flicking back and forth between your previous and current edit and it indeed strikes me as blurry with OS to compensate now. It's marginal, but it's there. It's also much more yellow than your previous edit. The oversharpened parts still look to be the tail, titles, windows. Mark's shot (which isn't superb either, but I guess that's due to the distance) is a lot softer and that kinda works. Perhaps I saw it wrong the first time, in which case I apologize for wasting your time.

If there is improvement in an edit, you should not receive a warning or ban. But in general, we also adivse that if an image has been rejected multiple times with quality issues, it's perhaps time to let go of it (how annoying that may be).

Regards,

Kas
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