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Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:39 pm

Retro: not that blurry, but the cheatlines are jaggy.
B772: looks ok for me.
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Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:01 pm

airkas1 wrote:
Retro: not that blurry, but the cheatlines are jaggy.
B772: looks ok for me.


So what can I do with that CO retro? No sharpening was used on the cheat lines. I work with masking and only sharpened on the windows without touching those cheat lines. I'll put the UA 772 in appeals if you feel it is okay. Really appreciate your input Kas.
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Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:27 pm

Wow beautful Retro Livery ! I don't see blurry in that one and maybe just with slight OS otherwise should be ok.
The United looks ok for me. It doesn't look like Overexposed.

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Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:40 am

Len, I screened the CO B737. The area of the cockpit windows as well as the main titles look blurry which is why I rejected it. Sometimes us screeners miss things. However, I looked at this one again and I'd stay with my call. You could try sharpening those areas and uploading at a smaller size (1024 pix, for e.g.). I also screened the United T7. Tone down the brightness and it should be fine (easy fix).

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Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:22 am

jelpee wrote:
Len, I screened the CO B737. The area of the cockpit windows as well as the main titles look blurry which is why I rejected it. Sometimes us screeners miss things. However, I looked at this one again and I'd stay with my call. You could try sharpening those areas and uploading at a smaller size (1024 pix, for e.g.). I also screened the United T7. Tone down the brightness and it should be fine (easy fix).

Jehan

Too bad you didn't leave a personal comment letting me know what you thought and why. That definitely helps a lot! I'll add another pass of sharpening to the CO retro on those areas. The T7 definitely is an easy fix.
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Re: Post Screening: Questionable Rejections

Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:40 pm

Both hit for blurry: Maybe cockpit windows on the AA 738 are soft, but didn't look blurry on my display.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 498a1b8729
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... a747d2ca33
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Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:56 pm

The 757 does seem a little blurry. The AA may just need a bit more sharpening to fix it.
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Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:26 am

Hi Len,
Both of them seem to be soft i think ... regarding to blurry issue ,well... the 757 indeed has a little bit but the America looks better should be easy to fix.

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Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:14 am

Been a lot of rejections lately. All seem to fall blurry or soft. Probably just need to up my sharpening for the 100-400 but will drop all the links here to see if these all stand a chance for reworking:

Soft:
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 243aa81268
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 0c8b6d30a7
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... e5539b036b
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 4b4373551d

Blurry/soft
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 0c1005ab16 (after second opinion)
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... af76cada3e
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... a9b4cdcba3
- The AA 738 got a boost of sharpening and didn't look soft at all on my display. Not sure where it is blurry either.


Blurry/Overexposed/Low in Frame:
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 1d96915a9c
- For the low in frame this was cropped based on that Delta 767 with high in frame keeping the tail in mind for when centering.

Soft/Low Contrast
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 264ea6ec51
- This one I really thought the sharpening is fine, especially looking at the titles. Contrast I can see a little bit by looking at the levels bars.

Soft/Underexposed
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... f383e8c709

Blurry
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 4649995603
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... bab47b0e19
- Added a bit more sharpening to this. The full size did not look blurry to me.
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Re: Post Screening: Questionable Rejections

Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:09 pm

Hey Len,
First of all, congratulation to your TOP photo Retro Livery ! Very nice .

Regarding to the First group Soft pictures,
JB A320 looks ok for me.
South West B738 looks ok for me.
AA A321 looks ok for me.
United B777 looks a little bit soft toward to windows line i think.

And the second group :
JB E190, the tail looks like Blurry i guess that maybe due to Soft ?
AA B738, looks ok for me.
AA B738, not so bad but i think the Left engine has a little bit Soft.

The sharpness of the AC looks ok for me and the exposure also looks ok. But it seems indeed low in frame i think.
The sharpness of Star Alliance B738 looks not so bad. But it indeed has low contrast.
The exposure of that special livery looks o problem to me and the sharpness looks ok too.
The Delta B738's windows look a bit of blurry i think.Just part of them.
But the United B757 looks ok for me .

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Re: Post Screening: Questionable Rejections

Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:00 pm

Hey Len,

I just accepted this photo, but I can't for the life of me figure out what the odd blue part is that is sticking out from the tail fin. Can you please enlighten me?

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Re: Post Screening: Questionable Rejections

Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:13 pm

4x soft:
They could all use an extra kick of sharpening in my opinion

3x blurry/soft:
933NN - borderline passable, but could use some more sharpening
811NN - bit blurry/soft towards the front. May work with a bit more sharpening but no guarantees
JB - blurry tail and soft fuselage

Blurry/OE/LIF:
Blurry tail and towards the front, slightly LIF, exposure passable

Soft/flat:
Sharpening is passable for me, but it is flat. The histogram (I made a quick edit) shows that it can take some +14/15 in contrast and it should be fine

Soft/UE:
The exposure is passable, but an extra kick of sharpening would do it good I think

Blurry:
Both photos look slightly blurry



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Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:15 pm

I am thinking that maybe is .... kind of tape from another side of tail. I guess....
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Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:40 pm

Kas, that's the right wing's winglet that is sticking out from the other side. The rudder is turned thus exposing it. If you would like I can share some other images from the sequence with you to prove that nothing funky was done in the post processing.

Sharpening process: Image is downsized, new layer, unsharpen mask 200%, radius 0.2, threshold 0, I do it as a layer mask with the brush set at 40% opacity and brush over the windows, cockpit, nose, gear, registration. If it looks soft on my display I'll do a pass at 25% opacity on the titles. Usually don't touch the tails. I think it is trying to just relearn for my 100-400 which is known to be a softer lens than the 70-200. Lens was just recently serviced so I know it is performing to the best of its capabilities. It's a matter of honing in on the post processing now. It also doesn't help that I work on a retina display so it kind of obscures the true pixels from me.

I'm open for any suggestions on the routine.

Thanks for the input on the list.
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Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:05 pm

Well , I have the almost same steps like u. But sometime I use " Smart Sharpen" to sharpen my pics and sometime use "Unsharpen Mask" like u. It depends on the sharpness of the original Photo. If the photo is sharpen enough and just need a little bit I will use USM 0.2 110-135 to sharpen it some time I will use less 100 if the photo is very sharp. But ... if the original one isn't sharp enough and very soft I will use Smart Sharpen with 0.3 and 23-35. It also depends on the size I use. I use 70-200 f/4 most of the pics are sharp enough for me so most of time I use USM. When I use 100-400 I or 70-200+1.4x I prefer to use Smart. Regarding to the Brush Setting ... it depends on the sharpness situation after sharpening. And I usually erase the cheat line first and then is the wings and tail. Title and REG always are the last places to erase it depends on their sharpness.
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Re: Post Screening: Questionable Rejections

Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:25 pm

Few quick ones.

Tap Retro: lighting was slightly filtered but thought this was still bright enough. Dark and OS
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... b20a508746

Blurry: maybe on the front nose gear?
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 0fc1b621fa

Blurry/Vignette/Underexposed: Vignette looks more along the difference in the cloud thickness than an actual vignette. Lens focal length doesn't coincide much with a vignette either. Exposure looked fine, comparable to all the accepted shots.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... c7f4f7ebeb

Soft/Underexposed: don't really see any of those
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... db4be700e8

Vignette/Underexposed: Bottom corner for the vignette, but think the exposure is fine.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 32dc03214b
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Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:20 pm

The sharpnessof Tap looks ok for me but it indeed dark i think. Did u get it at the late afternoon?

United Express looks not that bad ... maybe is because of the front gear.

The exposure of the United B738 is ok for me. But the windows which under the title look bit of Blurry for me i think. Regarding to the Vignette Issue. I agree with your perspective after using Equalize to check. Because i think if it has Vignette Problem it should appear at the angle of the photo but in this case, some black area appear in
the side not only the angle and they look like some cloud i think.

United A320 looks not bad. I guess maybe the screener considered the engine ( Right ) looks blurry ... but it looks ok for me .

I agree with your point the exposure is ok for me.

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Re: Post Screening: Questionable Rejections

Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:34 am

TAP: Not that bad, but the lighting doesn't help
E145: Looks blurry and oversharpened to compensate
B737: The sides do look like vignetting and I agree on underexposed (see below)
A320: Sharpness is passable, but I agree on underexposed
E145: Could be brighter


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Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:57 am

Kas,

Thanks and I was able to back in to see those images despite you being at the third party hosting max.

I'll brighten up tap a little bit and yeah the lighting killed me. 3 minutes sooner and it would have been PERFECT, but I think it stands a better chance than the Iceland. Gave it a boost in exposure by .25. Guessing sharpening was not an issue for you as well.

The others I'll make the changes as described. There was no extra sharpening on that ERJ145 for compensation of blurry. Same amount of sharpening used on that as the A320 etc.
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Re: Post Screening: Questionable Rejections

Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:18 am

Two more:

Underexposed:
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... cf78b7d80e

Blurry (blurry tail was the comment from the screener). To me it looks more like the angle of the tail and the light reflection rather than a blurry. Original does not show anything that blurry. Might be a little soft. Lighting is absolutely horrendous. Usually this arrives before the sun comes up. On this particular day it was "late" which allowed me to shoot it with sun.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... b53b4651a9
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Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:31 am

Hi , Len
The spirit could be brighter i think.
Regarding to the DHL 767 , the tail seems soft to me instead of Blurry i think and maybe just select that area and sharpen again might be better i guess. And this one seems has Vignette Issue. Especially at the left side of the picture. After using equalize it becomes more obvious.

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Re: Post Screening: Questionable Rejections

Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:37 am

The Spirit looks okay to me. Could of course be a tad brighter, but well...

The tail of the DHL looks indeed blurry or rather soft on your edit. Whatever causes the effect, could also be from the lense. The shot also suffers from vignetting, I would also correct that, as it might be an issue once it's screened again, and it's really easy to remove.
 
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Re: Post Screening: Questionable Rejections

Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:36 pm

The Spirit A321 could use a boost in brightness.
DHL: Rear section is blurry. Contrast and brightness appears low which could be contributing to the soft appearance. Looks noisy to me as well. I also see a bit of vignetting n the upper left corner.

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Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:54 pm

Spirit looks passable on my screen.
DHL does look like a blurry tail. Very soft at best.
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Re: Post Screening: Questionable Rejections

Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:40 pm

Thanks Jehan, Harry, JK, and Kas.

airkas1 wrote:
Spirit looks passable on my screen.
DHL does look like a blurry tail. Very soft at best.


I brightened the spirit just a little bit and resubmitted. If that gets rejected then I'll appeal the first rejected version :D
As for the DHL it probably was a very soft and due to the angle and lighting that hit that section of the tail in the sequence. Went with a different angle that was not as soft with a bit more sharpening. http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... c31a7e9648
Brightness will be a small issue with this photo as the time of day. It's tough to catch DHL in good lighting at Newark unless you have ramp access to where it is parked. It is in before sunlight and out after darkness. This new one from the sequence looks like it has no vignette in it.

Some new ones:
Fedex 77F: Blurry/Personal "entire aircraft looks blurry especially around the titles"
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... a50ebdee65
Full Size: https://www.flickr.com/photos/93082249@ ... 75/sizes/l

Alaska 738:
Original rejection was underexposed:
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 45963741c7
Now rejected for overexposed with personal "Whites now blown out"
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... fd6399f686

Ethiopian 788:
Rejection for low contrast and blurry
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 7b4a2e94cb
full size: https://www.flickr.com/photos/93082249@ ... 40/sizes/l
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Re: Post Screening: Questionable Rejections

Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:48 am

Hello Len,
The DHL seems a little bit low in Frame for my standard. And i think it is a bit of soft. Also it can be brighten i think.
Fedex B77F : I am not quiet sure this one but it doesn't show so blurry for me from the small size but a little bit OS i think.
Alaska : I prefer the first one ,the engine of the second one seems little bit Overexposed for me.But the first one indeed seems underexposed for me.Maybe you added too much to it ?
Here is my editing for this one : https://www.flickr.com/photos/153041003 ... ed-public/

ET B788 : I can't see obvious Blurry from the small size pic. But maybe bit of underexposed ? And the color seems strange for me ....

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Re: Post Screening: Questionable Rejections

Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:10 pm

HI Len,

titles on the DHL are rather soft and would Need some more sharpeneing.

The Fedex is not blurry. Even on the small edited Version it doesn't look burry to me. If anything it shows some jaggies.
The Alaksa is tricky due to light being rather toplit. I agree that the first version is slightly underexposed or better said slightly too dark, but the new version Looks okay to me. But again due to the tricky light you likely have different opinions on that one.

Again the Ethiopian doesn't seem blurry to me, but that is increasingly used on sharpening issues these days is all I can say (judging from mine, yours and another friends shots).

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Re: Post Screening: Questionable Rejections

Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:29 am

So I appealed the Fedex and Ethiopian. I agree that it seems like there is a new trend of rejecting with blurry when images are actually just soft.

Fedex returned with: personal stating the sharpening is fine but high contrast now... Okay that's an easy fix
Ethiopian got hit with: Blurry, Quality, Soft, Low Contrast. Seems like the HS really liked that photo a lot.

Some more rejects:
VS A330: High Contrast and High in Frame after numerous second opinions and one HQ. How is this high in frame when I dropped the fuselage to accommodate the high wing/winglet? Contrast is going to be a bit more here as this was taken with a late afternoon sun.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 80cff0bbf1

WN 738: Overexposed, High Contrast, Personal; Blown out highlights after one HQ. Comes down to the Sun reflection line and similar time period as the VS.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 8138c49e5b

UA A320: Soft, Underexposed. Personally not seeing these.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 67dafe8c1d

FI 753: Blurry, OS, Personal: blurry nose, tail, aft titles, bit OS. Appreciate a personal comment there. Didn't really think there was really any blur there.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 8138c49e5b
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Re: Post Screening: Questionable Rejections

Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:49 am

VS A330 : HIF looks fine to me. But the contrast seems indeed a bit of high and also bit of underexposed to me i think.
WN 738 : Exposure is ok to me.Contrast looks not bad but could be reduced a little bit.
UA A320 : I can't see soft area and exposure looks ok for me although it could be brighter.
FI 753 : You provided a same link of WN 738.

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Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:44 am

VS A330: Centering looks fine, I do agree that the contrast is a bit high. You can solve this by making the shadow a bit lighter (I usually use +20 or so in these cases)
WN B738: Passable for me
UA A320: Sharpening passable, image could be brighter
FI B753: http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 1197f86282 - That was my doing, so I guess stating my opinion again is a bit useless.
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:18 am

airkas1 wrote:
VS A330: Centering looks fine, I do agree that the contrast is a bit high. You can solve this by making the shadow a bit lighter (I usually use +20 or so in these cases)
WN B738: Passable for me
UA A320: Sharpening passable, image could be brighter
FI B753: http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... 1197f86282 - That was my doing, so I guess stating my opinion again is a bit useless.


Whoops on the link for the FI and I ultimately figured it was you on that one. Usually a rejection from you gets me a personal message explaining it a bit more. Are you referring to the shadows in raw editor or the no-no shadow/highlight tool?

WN 738 into the appeals. Hopefully it has a better outcome than the Ethiopian... Can you offer me some insight on that one. If you want to do it in a PM or email, that would be fine.
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Re: Post Screening: Questionable Rejections

Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:04 am

len90 wrote:
Are you referring to the shadows in raw editor or the no-no shadow/highlight tool?

Either will do, but I prefer to do most of my editing in the RAW converter. The shadow/highlight tool only becomes a no-no if used incorrectly.

The Ethiopian doesn't look flat at all, but I think I'm seeing some slight blur on the front half of the fuslage. Perhaps better at a smaller size.
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Re: Post Screening: Questionable Rejections

Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:26 pm

VS A330 looks high in contrast to me, while the centering looks okay. WN 738 has a somewhat high contrast. The UA A320 seems neither soft nor underexposed, while the FI 753 does seem OS on the titles and somewhat blurry/soft towards the rear.

airkas1 wrote:
The Ethiopian doesn't look flat at all, but I think I'm seeing some slight blur on the front half of the fuslage. Perhaps better at a smaller size.


Agree with Kas on the Ethiopian.

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