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Manufacturer Aircraft Scale Models for Customers

Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:05 am

Hey everyone,

I was thinking about this the other day and it occurred to me that I don't think I've ever seen it discussed here. We've all seen press-op photos of airline/manufacturer execs shaking hands with a nice-looking scale model after finalizing a new order or inaugurating a new route (probably wishing we could get our hands on one). Where do these models come from? I initially figured one of the model companies (Gemeni, Herpa, etc) might make them under contract, but then it occurred to me that there are a lot of models out there in the world that were produced for orders that never panned out and I'd have to imagine that Airbus, Boeing, et al don't really want anyone outside the company knowing about ongoing negotiations in case they don't end up winning the order. There are also a lot of concept models of aircraft that never even get made that I would imagine need to be kept under lock and key for similar reasons. Do the manufacturers have dedicated departments to make these? I remember a friend of mine's dad worked in a graphics department at Boeing that made everything from facility signs to concept art--maybe this would have fallen to the same department? Any information anyone has to offer would be interesting.
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Re: Manufacturer Aircraft Scale Models for Customers

Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:57 am

The ones you mean are not toys or the ones you can buy onboard. The good ones are made to spec using the actual manufacturer's data and software. Including paint for upcoming customers and such. They will be strictly kept under wraps until an order is known in public. Google "executive aircraft models" I think the Boeing store as an example sometimes has some on offer.
The military has "briefing sticks" to train maneuvres and formation flying in class rooms. Little models with a stick to grab it.
The real top secret ones are wind tunnel models. They are way more expensive and made to superexact scale at specialist companies with built in sensors, cables and pipes or whatever is needed.
 
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Re: Manufacturer Aircraft Scale Models for Customers

Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:35 pm

PacMin (Pacific Miniatures) makes many of those custom display models

Air Tahiti Nui 789 for example:
https://www.facebook.com/polynesianavia ... 2MTk4Njg0/

https://www.facebook.com/pacmin/
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Re: Manufacturer Aircraft Scale Models for Customers

Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:17 pm

Thanks. I tried to link them up but their server is broken or at least I get a warning like that. That's the company I was thinking about myself. They do supersized models as well to hang under the roof of your terminal and such.
 
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Re: Manufacturer Aircraft Scale Models for Customers

Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:39 pm

gunsontheroof wrote:
Hey everyone,

I was thinking about this the other day and it occurred to me that I don't think I've ever seen it discussed here. We've all seen press-op photos of airline/manufacturer execs shaking hands with a nice-looking scale model after finalizing a new order or inaugurating a new route (probably wishing we could get our hands on one).

I'm going to make you a little jealous (times 3).
I have not one but a few in my collections.
3 of the bigger ones are of 1/200 scale:-
A E195-E2 straight from Embraer themselves. (according to the box, made for them by Lupa Aircraft Models).
The other 2 are from Qatar: their A359 and A380. Given by the airline as souvenirs after an hr+ tour of their interiors; as an invited guest.
All are very well made and finished.
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Re: Manufacturer Aircraft Scale Models for Customers

Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:09 pm

I had a relative who made these for Boeing probably in the 30s, maybe the 40s.
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Re: Manufacturer Aircraft Scale Models for Customers

Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:25 pm

Back when I worked for Intel the corporate aviation department was located in the building next to the one I worked in. Whenever I had to walk through that building I would always pause for a moment to admire the model airplanes displayed in one of the cubicles. There was an ERJ-135 and a Beech 1900, both planes the company operated as corporate shuttles, and both models were painted in the blue and white livery of the company's actual planes. There was also a model of an Embraer Legacy; I have no idea if the company had one of those, too, but it would make sense as a corporate jet since they had other Embraers. The oddball was a Do-328 Jet model. I'm guessing that was a plane they considered but never ordered.

Do aircraft manufacturers give these out as gifts to executives to executives as companies considering purchasing planes from them? I always kind of wondered where those models came from.
 
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Re: Manufacturer Aircraft Scale Models for Customers

Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:27 pm

Noshow wrote:
The real top secret ones are wind tunnel models. They are way more expensive and made to superexact scale at specialist companies with built in sensors, cables and pipes or whatever is needed.
I know this is getting a bit off topic for the original question, but here's a video Boeing put out with a little look into their model shop for wind tunnel models, which are made by incredibly skilled craftsmen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MFWnHkG6YU
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Re: Manufacturer Aircraft Scale Models for Customers

Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:31 pm

neutrino wrote:
gunsontheroof wrote:
Hey everyone,

I was thinking about this the other day and it occurred to me that I don't think I've ever seen it discussed here. We've all seen press-op photos of airline/manufacturer execs shaking hands with a nice-looking scale model after finalizing a new order or inaugurating a new route (probably wishing we could get our hands on one).

I'm going to make you a little jealous (times 3).
I have not one but a few in my collections.
3 of the bigger ones are of 1/200 scale:-
A E195-E2 straight from Embraer themselves. (according to the box, made for them by Lupa Aircraft Models).
The other 2 are from Qatar: their A359 and A380. Given by the airline as souvenirs after an hr+ tour of their interiors; as an invited guest.
All are very well made and finished.
I think the ones the OP is asking about are the very large models often seen at air shows or ceremonies where orders are signed. The small ones are probably 1:100, and large ones can be significantly larger, with wing spans of 5-10 feet. 1:200 models are the largest scale usually readily available for collectors and made by many manufacturers (smaller aircraft can come in larger scales to be around the same size as a 1:200 widebody; for instance, a 1:130 737 is around the same size model as a 1:200 747).
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Re: Manufacturer Aircraft Scale Models for Customers

Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:37 pm

Check out Atlantic models. I have an AA 757 made by them.

http://atlantic-models.com/
 
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Re: Manufacturer Aircraft Scale Models for Customers

Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:42 pm

airplanenut wrote:
[ 1:200 models are the largest scale usually readily available for collectors and made by many manufacturers (smaller aircraft can come in larger scales to be around the same size as a 1:200 widebody; for instance, a 1:130 737 is around the same size model as a 1:200 747).


The Boeing Store sells 1:100 of most of their fleet, which is around 2.5 feet long for a 747-8i. Atlantic linked above also sells 1:100.

Tempting.
 
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Re: Manufacturer Aircraft Scale Models for Customers

Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:00 pm

These aren't customer models, but you may find some of the models of concepts that never entered production interesting, here:
http://aviationweek.com/blog/boeings-wonder-wall

I think these were created mainly to give potential customers, the media, and others an idea what the aircraft would look like if built, not for engineering purposes like wind tunnel testing.
 
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Re: Manufacturer Aircraft Scale Models for Customers

Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:06 pm

I think PPC Holland (used to be IMC) made some really big corporate models (as well as the little onboard ones)
 
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Re: Manufacturer Aircraft Scale Models for Customers

Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:30 pm

iamlucky13 wrote:
These aren't customer models, but you may find some of the models of concepts that never entered production interesting, here:
http://aviationweek.com/blog/boeings-wonder-wall

I think these were created mainly to give potential customers, the media, and others an idea what the aircraft would look like if built, not for engineering purposes like wind tunnel testing.


Yes! There was a cool story on the Boeing archives in the Seattle Times some years ago that I need to dig up. I meant to see if I could arrange a visit back before my old man retired from Boeing (not far from. there, actually) but sadly, never got around to it.
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Re: Manufacturer Aircraft Scale Models for Customers

Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:17 pm

neutrino wrote:
gunsontheroof wrote:
Hey everyone,

I was thinking about this the other day and it occurred to me that I don't think I've ever seen it discussed here. We've all seen press-op photos of airline/manufacturer execs shaking hands with a nice-looking scale model after finalizing a new order or inaugurating a new route (probably wishing we could get our hands on one).


I'm going to make you a little jealous (times 3).
I have not one but a few in my collections.
3 of the bigger ones are of 1/200 scale:-
A E195-E2 straight from Embraer themselves. (according to the box, made for them by Lupa Aircraft Models).
The other 2 are from Qatar: their A359 and A380. Given by the airline as souvenirs after an hr+ tour of their interiors; as an invited guest.
All are very well made and finished.


I am going to make you a little jealous (times 1000).... Thats how many I have in 200 scale and 100 scale...
 
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Re: Manufacturer Aircraft Scale Models for Customers

Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:42 pm

I thought I might also mention a loosely relevant collection people in this thread should enjoy - the Holtgrewe model collection at the Museum of Flight:

http://museumofflight.org/Exhibits/holtgrewe
http://museumofflight.org/Exhibits/holt ... collection

The WWII models are all 1/72 scale, and the WWI models 1/48 scale, I believe. Some are kits customized by Dr. Holtgrewe, while others are completely custom.

I'm not sure why a retired Maryland doctor decided to donate the fruits of his hobby to a Seattle museum, but I'm really glad he did. I spend a significant amount of time each time I visit looking at various models of aircraft that in many cases I never even knew existed.
 
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Re: Manufacturer Aircraft Scale Models for Customers

Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:29 pm

Atlantic Models in MIA makes all kind of models including classic liveries to modern paint schemes. Also in various sizes as large as 43 feet; they make models for the USAF to Boeing (check out the display at the MIA training center). Everyone is welcome to the factory about 10 minutes from MIA.
 
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Re: Manufacturer Aircraft Scale Models for Customers

Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:03 pm

Virtual737 wrote:
airplanenut wrote:
[ 1:200 models are the largest scale usually readily available for collectors and made by many manufacturers (smaller aircraft can come in larger scales to be around the same size as a 1:200 widebody; for instance, a 1:130 737 is around the same size model as a 1:200 747).


The Boeing Store sells 1:100 of most of their fleet, which is around 2.5 feet long for a 747-8i. Atlantic linked above also sells 1:100.

Tempting.

Yes, but those are relatively limited in available variety--Boeing has them for their fleet in house colors, but you won't find a lot more than that. In 1:200, you can find tons of airlines for any given model.
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