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Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:49 pm

How does the SSJ 100 compare vs. the E190 or the incoming CS100 (safety, fuel consumption, comfort, operations, overall costs)?

Also, given the current sanctions on Russia, is it possible (would it make sense) to purchase/lease the SSJ100 and operate it in Africa?

Any help/hint on these is appreciated
 
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Sun Jan 04, 2015 10:21 pm

I know that Interjet is very happy with theirs and that they firmed up another 10 orders. The SSJ is called "The Tank" by the crews because its so sturdy, fuel consumption is better than guaranteed, and in short sectors is very competitive with Embraers, and Bombardier products. I am sure some members here have the fuel consumption chart and they are very comparable, the only info I don't know is how expensive is compared to Embraers in the maintenance side of the equation. Confortwise is a lot better than 2 -2 (four abreast) because the SSJ is 2-3 and Interjet uses 31 and 32 inch pitch, making it very spacious.

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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:41 pm

I have seen positive comments about the SSJ, it looks modern and comfortable (at least with the Interjet’s configuration and from the images I have seen), it is cheaper to buy compared to the E190/195 and doesn’t have backlogs, so should be relatively easy to get. I am not sure what the catch is, and I suppose there is one, since it is not really successful, at least sales wise. So why would you or wouldn’t you buy the SSJ? Any help here is appreciated.
 
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:16 pm

Quoting MXP380 (Reply 2):

I have seen positive comments about the SSJ, it looks modern and comfortable (at least with the Interjet’s configuration and from the images I have seen), it is cheaper to buy compared to the E190/195 and doesn’t have backlogs, so should be relatively easy to get. I am not sure what the catch is, and I suppose there is one, since it is not really successful, at least sales wise. So why would you or wouldn’t you buy the SSJ? Any help here is appreciated.

1) The stigma of it being "russian" built unfortunately hurts it for no good reason

2) While lack of backlog, there is from my understanding real lags in production schedules and efficiency

3) Relatively unproven and NEW product and not "family"-able compared to say C-Series and EMB's

that's all I could think of at the moment.... I personally think she is a great looking bird though and would love to fly her... I just don't think any US carrier will ever have one.
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:24 am

the SSJ-100-75's true costs will be seen in whether the Powerjet SAM146 engines are expenisve to maintain or really reliable. It's range is 1800MN as compared to the 2950 of the CS300, the 2200-3000 of the Comac 919 , the 3100 of he MS21-200 or the 2800 of the E190-E2..
the MRJ170 only has a 900 NM range but it's built for Japan also. INterjet is most pleased as has been reported.
 
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:02 am

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 3):
1) The stigma of it being "russian" built unfortunately hurts it for no good reason

I think its less then plane itself, its the worldwide after sales support by the OEM. I guess with Boeing on board they have that covered, but most airlines are risk adverse..
A few years of positve Interjet experience will change that, but i doubt it will stay competitive until then.

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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:39 pm

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 5):
I think its less then plane itself, its the worldwide after sales support by the OEM. I guess with Boeing on board they have that covered, but most airlines are risk adverse.

I would think that would be the biggest hurdle to overcome, and probably the biggest fear of airlines.

Even with Boeing doing the distribution, how readily available would spares be?

I remember AC stating with the announcement of the E175/E190 purchase, that Embraer's long North American history and good reputation for support was a part of the decision.
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:19 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 6):
and probably the biggest fear of airlines.

yup, higher fuel burn than promised won´t make airlines happy, but they still have a plane in revenue service. Waiting for the spare however..... especially in the EU, where you have to write checks to your Pax. "Oh, the 1000mi flights is 3:30 hours late due to technical? Where can i pick up my 400 EUR, my food, my drink ......."

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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:17 pm

Has the FAA certified the SSJ yet?
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Sun Jan 11, 2015 6:23 pm

And the Mitsubishi MRJ90 should probably included in any discussion of this size of regional jet.
 
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:36 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 8):
Has the FAA certified the SSJ yet?

Not to my knowledge. Could also be one of the issues.
 
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:43 am

Quoting MXP380 (Reply 10):
And the Mitsubishi MRJ90 should probably included in any discussion of this size of regional jet.

Agreed. How would it compare? But the MRJ is only a "paper" plane right now and 1st delivery is scheduled for 2017 if all goes as planned...
 
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:47 am

Quoting MXP380 (Reply 11):
Agreed. How would it compare? But the MRJ is only a "paper" plane right now and 1st delivery is scheduled for 2017 if all goes as planned...

And so far nothing has gone according to plan.

I bailed out on the project in 2011.
 
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:18 pm

I am flying the SSJ on may 20 (to see RUSH live BTW), the flight is MTY - IAH so I guess the SSj is FAA certified...

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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:40 am

Quoting MXP380 (Reply 11):
Agreed. How would it compare? But the MRJ is only a "paper" plane right now and 1st delivery is scheduled for 2017 if all goes as planned...

The MRJ is going through flight testing right now just like the CS100, but like a previous poster said, it sounds like it's been a tough learning experience for Mitsubishi. There were just a few pics recently of the MRJ swirling around here not too long ago.

I hate to say it but I think Embraer really has the edge in this market. They have a huge support network across the world and have a good reputation that Sukhoi can't match. Interjet can talk all day about how great the SSJ is but many more customers have been just as pleased by the E190 and are very confident that Embraer will deliver on their improvements with the E2.
 
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:44 am

Quoting TusDawg23 (Reply 14):
The MRJ is going through flight testing right now

Without even leaving the ground?
 
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:06 pm

Quoting Tod (Reply 15):
Without even leaving the ground?

You're correct that it hasn't had it's first maiden flight, but I believe it's doing ground testing and scheduled for flight testing this year.
 
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:29 pm

Is the LR already out? Does anybody know how it is performing? What is the max range?

With a heavy discount on listing price and acceptable economics/performance, maybe the SSJ can create a niche in lower middle income countries?
 
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:23 am

Quoting TusDawg23 (Reply 16):
I believe it's doing ground testing and scheduled for flight testing this year.

I know that they spooled up one engine for a couple of minutes.

Having worked the program for a couple of years, I wish them all the best, but have seen MJR schedules come and go.
Hopefully this program will continue to progress on a timeline that is commercially viable.
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:09 am

Please allow me some clarifications regarding the previous comments.

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 1):
the SSJ is 2-3 and Interjet uses 31 and 32 inch pitch, making it very spacious

Seat pitch in Interjet's layout of Superjet is 34" (with few last rows at 33").

Quoting longhauler (Reply 6):
Even with Boeing doing the distribution

Boeing used to be the major consultant in the early years of the project and is no longer on board.

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 13):
the flight is MTY - IAH so I guess the SSJ is FAA certified

Nope, the SSJ in not FAA certified. Mexican aviation authorities validated EASA TC and STC of SSJ. In fact, it is not required for any aircraft to be FAA certified in order to land in US airports being operated by airline from another country.
 
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:39 pm

Quoting MXP380 (Reply 10):
Has the FAA certified the SSJ yet?

Not to my knowledge. Could also be one of the issues.

No but there is no showstopper to do so, all that is needed is an interest by some American customer. Otherwise it has EASA certification, which is also well recognized by other nations.

Quoting MXP380 (Reply 17):
Is the LR already out? Does anybody know how it is performing? What is the max range?

yes, several are already in service since 2013 with Gazpromavia.
http://www.scac.ru/en/mediacenter/th...gazpromavia-fleet-28-11-2014/2014/

More enhancements are in the works; VLM will be getting a version with winglets (retrofittable) and reduced weight. And LCY certification is possible should a customer ask for it.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...nal-takes-fight-to-embraer-405774/
 
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:04 pm

Quoting MXP380 (Reply 10):
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 8):
Has the FAA certified the SSJ yet?


Not to my knowledge. Could also be one of the issues.

They said some time ago that they had no plans to obtain FAA certification until such time that they had a potential US customer. That probably indicates that they have little hope of ever obtaining a US customer.
 
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:02 pm

From the top of my head: I would say the CS100 is the best, since it uses composites and new engines.

Second would come E190 and SSJ 100 the third.

But there is new E-2 Jet being developed and new SSJ-100-130.
 
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:32 am

Quoting EYKD (Reply 19):
Seat pitch in Interjet's layout of Superjet is 34" (with few last rows at 33").
Quoting EYKD (Reply 19):
Nope, the SSJ in not FAA certified. Mexican aviation authorities validated EASA TC and STC of SSJ. In fact, it is not required for any aircraft to be FAA certified in order to land in US airports being operated by airline from another country.

thanks for the clarification....

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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:27 pm

Quoting EYKD (Reply 19):
Boeing used to be the major consultant in the early years of the project and is no longer on board.

Is it Finmeccanica (still) involved in the support?
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:38 pm

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 24):
Is it Finmeccanica (still) involved in the support?

It's not just involved in the support, it directly and fully participates in the project.

Via its fully owned aviation branch Alenia Aermacchi it holds 25%+1 shares in Sukhoi Civil Aircraft (SCAC), Russian aircraft OEM and TC holder.

Together with SCAC Alenia formed the joint venture called Superjet International. Its responsibility is pretty wide: aircraft marketing and sales in the Western hemishere, field support and spare parts delivery, flight and cabin crew trainings etc.
 
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RE: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:37 pm

Does anyone know the typical cruise speeds at which Interjet flies their SSJs?

I believe it's somewhere around M0.78, pretty good!

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Re: Sukhoi SSJ 100 Vs. E-190 & CS100

Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:10 pm

The cs100 is just a superior product. But twice as expensive to purchase.
 

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