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KLM MD-11 Scrapped

Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:28 pm

Why were all of KLM's MD-11s scrapped? OR, at least why were none of them converted for freighters? They had plenty of life left in them...

Didn't Finnair's MD-11's go to Western Global?
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Re: KLM MD-11 Scrapped

Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:10 am

I suspect it was because the resale value of an F-converted MD-11 would be substantially less than the cost of a conversion ( door + reinforced roller floor ). As far as I know, no-one other than Boeing has an STC for the conversion so that'd add cost for certification, assuming they're no longer interested.
 
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Re: KLM MD-11 Scrapped

Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:25 am

They did not have plenty live left, the oldest one was from 1993. I also think that cycles had something to do since KLM was flying them from the beginning...
 
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Re: KLM MD-11 Scrapped

Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:46 pm

acjbbj wrote:
Why were all of KLM's MD-11s scrapped? OR, at least why were none of them converted for freighters? They had plenty of life left in them...


As mentioned above, they were pretty old. Even if well maintained, aircraft have limited amounts of cycles and hours available. As they age, they also start breaking more and more, requiring much more frequent servicing. It all adds up over time.
At the time, nobody was really building fleets of MD-11 freighters either. FedEx was already phasing out a few frames at the time.

But you can be pretty certain that the spare parts were highly valuable, and got snapped up to keep the remaining global MD-11 fleet going.

acjbbj wrote:
Didn't Finnair's MD-11's go to Western Global?


Only 2 of them, and only after a brief service with another Finnish airline. 1 went to Ethiopian, who scrapped it. 1 went to CargoItalia, and never flew after that airline went bust. 1 is with FedEx. Remaining 3 went to World Airways, and never flew after than airline shut down.
 
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Re: KLM MD-11 Scrapped

Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:19 am

acjbbj wrote:
They had plenty of life left in them...

The only "life" they had left in them was in the form of their engines.
While not the case with ex-KLM frames, Delta actually did purchase some MD-11 freighters in recent years.
Why? For their engines which can be used on the 767 fleet.
 
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Re: KLM MD-11 Scrapped

Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:11 pm

So, PH/KCK ran out of life after "only" 16 years?
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Re: KLM MD-11 Scrapped

Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:35 am

acjbbj wrote:
So, PH/KCK ran out of life after "only" 16 years?


No kidding. There are FX MD-10s from the early ‘70s still chugging along but 16-19 year old MD-11s were too long in the tooth? Baloney.

The timing wasn’t right. The wave of MD-11 freighter conversions had passed. But the age of the airframe and it certified limits had nothing to do with it.
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Re: KLM MD-11 Scrapped

Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:04 am

MD-90s are not "long in the tooth" either, but when there is a single engine shop in the world that services that version of the V2500, the business case gets harder and harder to justify. Hence, Delta is parking MD-90s. I'm sure there are similar supplier constraints with the MD-11. The only thing left of value on them are the engines. Even FedEx has MD-11s parked in the desert...
 
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Re: KLM MD-11 Scrapped

Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:12 am

There's a whole lot more of value on them than engines. With a very limited number of MD11's, the parts can be quite scarce; in may cases the only source for those parts are other MD11's. Some are rare, high priced, and it's a simple fact that one can't keep all the MD11's flying; some will have to serve as parts beds for the others. And they do. There's a lot on the airplanes that get used for parts than just engines.
 
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Re: KLM MD-11 Scrapped

Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:30 pm

One MD-11, I saw on PlaneSpotters.net that said it was purchased by Federal Express, but the notes stated "Will not enter service. Purchased for parts."
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Re: KLM MD-11 Scrapped

Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:25 pm

acjbbj wrote:
Why were all of KLM's MD-11s scrapped? OR, at least why were none of them converted for freighters? They had plenty of life left in them...


They had the disadvantage of having to be converted before serving as freighter. Look at the former EVA AIr Cargo below. It was manufactured as a freighter, delivered after KLM took feliversy of its last MD-11 and still, it's been scrapped while most other of BR are still stored



acjbbj wrote:
Didn't Finnair's MD-11's go to Western Global?


Just the two that were converted to freighter and briefly operated by Nordic Global before going west.


acjbbj wrote:
One MD-11, I saw on PlaneSpotters.net that said it was purchased by Federal Express, but the notes stated "Will not enter service. Purchased for parts."


I know several former World Airways MD-11s were purchased by FX for that reason.
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