mohitaviator
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Master's in Aviation Management - is Embry Riddle a good choice?

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:55 pm

Hello Good Evening Everyone, I am Mohit.
I have a question regarding Masters in Aviation Management Course.
I am currently doing my under graduation in Mechanical Engineering (Final Year) and I am inclined alot towards Aviation ( Route Management & Fleet Utilisation ) and hence I think pursuing a Master's in Aviation Management Degree would be good.
I am planning to opt for Embry Riddle but I don't know whether what I am planning is actually required for my dream.
I am from India & have a one month Internship in Air India Engineering Services Limited in Engine Overhaul Department.
My other Options are Arizona State University, Wildau Institute of Technology, Florida institute of Technology & Lynn University
Can Anyone Help me regarding this...Thanks in Advance
 
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Re: Master's in Aviation Management - is Embry Riddle a good choice?

Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:37 pm

mohitaviator wrote:
Hello Good Evening Everyone, I am Mohit.
I have a question regarding Masters in Aviation Management Course.
I am currently doing my under graduation in Mechanical Engineering (Final Year) and I am inclined alot towards Aviation ( Route Management & Fleet Utilisation ) and hence I think pursuing a Master's in Aviation Management Degree would be good.
I am planning to opt for Embry Riddle but I don't know whether what I am planning is actually required for my dream.
I am from India & have a one month Internship in Air India Engineering Services Limited in Engine Overhaul Department.
My other Options are Arizona State University, Wildau Institute of Technology, Florida institute of Technology & Lynn University
Can Anyone Help me regarding this...Thanks in Advance

FYI -- I moved your thread to Tech/Ops, which is the forum we use for career advice.

Let me preface this by saying I'm biased (as my username may suggest). I went to Arizona State to major in ATC, and there are a number of users on this forum who also went to ASU for an aviation major. It's a large and well-respected program, and has been for many years. By-in-large, it was a good experience being part of a large state university, the program itself was run well (when I went there a decade ago, anyway), and there's a VERY large Indian community at ASU (mostly on the Tempe Campus, but plenty on the Polytechnic Campus as well) that may help ease your transition. There are also a lot of on-campus employment opportunities for students on F1 visas, so that may play a factor if you intend to earn some money to help cover expenses.

I, too, looked at going to ERAU (just as anyone interested in aviation does); I didn't personally see the value for money. It's extremely expensive, and neither Daytona nor Prescott are particularly interesting places to live, although Prescott is much closer to civilization than it was when I first visited roughly 15 years ago. There are a number of pluses to ERAU -- it is a well-connected alumni community, which may serve you well later on if you seek employment in the US. At least inside the US, it has a reputation in the industry that is second-to-none, provided you're willing to pay for it. I have several coworkers who went to ERAU, and I don't believe they had any advantage over me when it came to employment or advancement. If you plan to return to India, it may benefit you to save some money and have a more "traditional" college experience by going to ASU. The ASU Polytechnic Campus was a great place to live, and I would recommend it for anyone interested in aviation.
 
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Re: Master's in Aviation Management - is Embry Riddle a good choice?

Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:04 pm

Get a job first. Then go back and get your Masters.
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Re: Master's in Aviation Management - is Embry Riddle a good choice?

Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:25 pm

Thanks "atcsundevil" I researched and in ASU I am getting MS in Aviation Management & Human Factors...quite different from what I intend to pursue and I am mostly looking forward to work in USA after Masters...may I also know more about your experience at ASU ?
 
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Re: Master's in Aviation Management - is Embry Riddle a good choice?

Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:47 pm

mohitaviator wrote:
Thanks "atcsundevil" I researched and in ASU I am getting MS in Aviation Management & Human Factors...quite different from what I intend to pursue and I am mostly looking forward to work in USA after Masters...may I also know more about your experience at ASU ?

What is it that you're intending to pursue job-wise? I agree with stlgph that some work experience prior to going for your master's may be the better course, albeit more difficult if you're coming from India and planning to work in the US. Riddle does have a wider range of aviation degrees for a master's, so it's possible that the Mgmt & Human Factors at ASU isn't related to what you intend to do.

What more about my experience did you want to know about? Classes, campus life, etc.?
 
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Re: Master's in Aviation Management - is Embry Riddle a good choice?

Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:40 pm

ERAU is expensive. You're paying for the name. By and large, the name is respected among those who like the name, but to the rest, ERAU students are referred to as "riddle rats," and I'll leave it to you to look up and learn why. It's not a complimentary term.

A masters in aviation management is largely a useless degree, as are most aviation degrees. A degree in air traffic services or maintenance or engineering has some value, but otherwise, it's just a box checked without any substance behind the degree.

If your goal is to travel up the chain to management, then you may have a use for the degree, but. otherwise, not so much.

If you're going to fly for a living, pursue the masters while you're flying, rather than doing it before. If you're going to do most other things in aviation, same thing. Unless you need the masters degree to get started, do it later.
 
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Re: Master's in Aviation Management - is Embry Riddle a good choice?

Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:24 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
mohitaviator wrote:
Thanks "atcsundevil" I researched and in ASU I am getting MS in Aviation Management & Human Factors...quite different from what I intend to pursue and I am mostly looking forward to work in USA after Masters...may I also know more about your experience at ASU ?

What is it that you're intending to pursue job-wise? I agree with stlgph that some work experience prior to going for your master's may be the better course, albeit more difficult if you're coming from India and planning to work in the US. Riddle does have a wider range of aviation degrees for a master's, so it's possible that the Mgmt & Human Factors at ASU isn't related to what you intend to do.

What more about my experience did you want to know about? Classes, campus life, etc.?


Human Factors might help in accident investigations? But I don't see much value in it day to day as a field. At United where I worked? We were all trained in Human Factors as supervisors and managers. So we used it Real time every day.
Because sometimes you had to Stop a job and reorganize to do the job safely.
Human factors is a part of the safety department. And safety?
Is run be seasoned people with experience in the operational realm. For college? It's theoretical.
.Operations Managers need to know human factors because their JOB depends on it. Let too many of your people get hurt because you were lax in safety? And you won't HAVE a Job!!
 
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Re: Master's in Aviation Management - is Embry Riddle a good choice?

Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:32 pm

If your getting a masters, get an MBA. Sounds like your interest is Mgmt or HR.. there are MBAs in both. An MBA is the most "portable" masters. You don't need a BA or an MBA to get an ATP. If you want both a Masters and an ATP, Riddle, Purdue, and NDU all have the "1000 hour" exception. Maybe others now. http://www.swaynemartin.com/student-pil ... -and-cons/
 
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Re: Master's in Aviation Management - is Embry Riddle a good choice?

Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:22 am

I'll chime in with the above.
- ER has a deservedly good reputation for good education. But it is expensive.
- 10 years into your career, no one will care where you got your degree(s).
- If you want to study management, get a "general" management degree, e.g. business administration. There's nothing magical about aviation management that you can't learn on the job if you already have a management degree. Also, not specialising is useful if for some reason you end up outside aviation temporarily or permanently.

Bottom line: Don't overthink it. Trying to plan in detail can be counterproductive, as most careers are somewhat meandering affairs. As others have mentioned, maybe work for a few years first and see where that leads, both in terms of personal experience/growrth and career-wise.

Employers want to know that you are able to work in a team, deliver results, and learn. (Side note: These traits will lead to personal success in the career as well.) They don't care what or where exactly you studied.
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Re: Master's in Aviation Management - is Embry Riddle a good choice?

Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:50 pm

My advice to everyone is to avoid specific career degrees, especially in a turbulent industry like aviation. Instead, pursue a broader general degree that is portable and will work across industries.

I have seen too many folks lose out on opportunities because they opted for very narrow education which worked against them in the eyes of folks reviewing resumes. At the end of the day, there is also no guarantee you will stay in the airline/aerospace industry, so having a broader degree will make you much more employable in other fields as well.

As far as MBA specifically. not sure why the desire to get one now. As others mentioned you can always pursue such in the future once you are established in your career and can make a better determination if it's even worthwhile to pursue at such time.
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Re: Master's in Aviation Management - is Embry Riddle a good choice?

Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:28 pm

LAXintl wrote:
My advice to everyone is to avoid specific career degrees, especially in a turbulent industry like aviation. Instead, pursue a broader general degree that is portable and will work across industries.

I have seen too many folks lose out on opportunities because they opted for very narrow education which worked against them in the eyes of folks reviewing resumes. At the end of the day, there is also no guarantee you will stay in the airline/aerospace industry, so having a broader degree will make you much more employable in other fields as well.

As far as MBA specifically. not sure why the desire to get one now. As others mentioned you can always pursue such in the future once you are established in your career and can make a better determination if it's even worthwhile to pursue at such time.

Amen to that! I got my degree to enhance my earning potential I came to United with my chops and then Honed my chops, as I needed to grow
All the degrees in the world won't help you if you're not a real "Team Leader". BECAUSE the boss I had? The more you could do? The more he gave you TO do.
It got to the point where I dreaded the Holidays because I KNEW I was going to get My "Butt whipped".
Try coming in to work with a 22 man crew with 25 airplanes on the ramp and Maintenance control wanting the Books Cleared on Every one of them by the Sunday fo..llowing Thanksgiving. I did it 5 years in a row. And? Every year I succeeded. And? Every year?
The Boss was happy until? He got the overtime bull the following Tuesday. He quit yelling after the second year. But? When I applied to Maintenance control?
He moved all obstacles aside for me to get the Job. It wasn't any easier of a job but, I had already known what Stress was and it wasn't any harder that what I had already done. That's what your Degree Won't teach YOU. That? You'll only learn by getting your Butt Kicked!! I've met guys with some Pretty High "faluting" Degrees from VERY impressive schools. Some of them were Really good managers?? While Many of them were good in theory only!! They couldn't manage to blow their Noses!
 
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Re: Master's in Aviation Management - is Embry Riddle a good choice?

Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:16 am

I'm an engineer for an OEM (transport-category jets). Did an MBA because I thought I wanted to be a department head/lead. By the time I got to my last semester of the MBA I realized I no longer wanted to do management but was too far in to quit.

Only pursue a management degree after you've been in the field for a while. Watch your boss(es) closely and see what kind of stuff they do vs. what you're doing. Right now my boss almost never gets to work on anything technical; he shuffles priorities around, handles HR paperwork, approves timecards, deals with other departments for us, etc. He might as well work for Costco or something. I'm dreading his retirement because I have a feeling they're going to want me to "take one for the team" and take over the management role that nobody (including him) wants--that's how he wound up in it, actually.



OP, if you want to work at an airline, just go there. Don't do a management degree unless you want to get into the business side of things, handling budgets and meetings and performance reviews and all the mundane universal business stuff that every business has to do. Fleet utilization and route planning shouldn't require a management degree...
 
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Re: Master's in Aviation Management - is Embry Riddle a good choice?

Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:59 am

gte07, you've got the MBA and the ops/MX experience, and a sweet pension. Guess what your next job will be? Your boss's.

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