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Accident investigation in the USSR?

Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:31 am

Hi a.netters,

Watching my beloved Air Crash Investigations (aka Mayday), I suddenly wondered, how was accident investigation handled in the former USSR? Was there a minimum of transparency and accountability, comparable with Western practices, or was it all prone to the notorious Soviet obsession with secrecy and political face-saving at any cost? I'm asking in view of the suicide of Valeri Legasov when they tried to force him to falsify his final report on the Chernobyl disaster, because it was judged too damning for the entire Soviet nuclear industry. There is also the Tu-144 crash of 1973 where the black boxes "mysteriously" disappeared and the authorities released the infamously unconvincing but politically acceptable explanation involving the Mirage jet.

Does anyone have some first-hand knowledge on this?
 
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Re: Accident investigation in the USSR?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 am

Of course. Soviet had a renamed “НЛГС-2”, who as in most countries was specially designed and had the Power to conduct investigations, in case of accident or incidents, if the lately was considered dangerous.
Incidents investigation’s conclusions were laws and all people related to aviation, were informed about. I remenber ithem in my”Safety’s Lectures” when in “Kiev Civil aAviation Institute” and later, when working on soviet made planes how we receive puntuaL information and a yearly inform related to every soviet made plane
I do not talk about Tu-144 issued, in the midle of most deeplest years of “Cold War”, but about everyday..

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Re: Accident investigation in the USSR?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:19 am

And, НЛГС-2 stand for:
Airworthiness Norms for Soviet Union - Edition -2. They were used from aircraft design to “dekomisionig.”

Any one will explain how are now this airworthiness implement, when so many “Republiks”?.?

Rgds
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"A NO" is a positive answer., "DON'T KNOW" is not. My Tutor (a wise man)
“CUBANA” 90 years Flying”
 
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Re: Accident investigation in the USSR?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:15 pm

Accident and Incident Investigation in Soviet Practice

https://flightsafety.org/fsd/fsd_jan92.pdf
 
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Re: Accident investigation in the USSR?

Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:56 pm

Apprentice wrote:
And, НЛГС-2 stand for:
Airworthiness Norms for Soviet Union - Edition -2. They were used from aircraft design to “dekomisionig.”

Any one will explain how are now this airworthiness implement, when so many “Republiks”?.?

Rgds


Most of post-Soviet countries signed a treaty, delegating their airworthiness certification and accident investigation authorities, where relevant, to MAK-IAC:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstat ... _Committee
it's an independent body, and was HQ'd in Moscow
They seemed to be doing an OK job and are generally held in high regard internationally.

Relatively recently, in the wake of certain political scandals in Russia, Russia announced its decision to renounce the treaty and vest all the relevant authority in Rosaviatsia.

Others continue to participate in the treaty; there was a rumor that Azerbaijan invited MAK-IAC to relocate to Baku, but I didn't follow if anything came out of it.

In the meantime, in the areas of airworthiness certification and planning for procedures for accident investigations in Russia, Rosaviatsia seems to be stumbling around, and paperwork they issue is often laughed at by professionals (even though it's obviously not laughing matter that airworthiness is in the hands of bunch of clowns). Good thing is that most of Russia's civil aviation fleet is registered in Bermuda, Ireland and other such locales, and its airworthiness is backstopped by aviation authorities from those jurisdictions, who seem to be generally knowing what they are doing.
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Re: Accident investigation in the USSR?

Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:56 am

Many Thanks!!!
Rgds
“An4; IL18; IL6; Tu5; D10; MD11; MD83; B32; B34: B37; B744; B748; B752; B763; B772; B773; B77W; A320; A332; A333; A342; A343.
"A NO" is a positive answer., "DON'T KNOW" is not. My Tutor (a wise man)
“CUBANA” 90 years Flying”
 
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Re: Accident investigation in the USSR?

Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:56 am

Many Thanks!!!
Rgds
“An4; IL18; IL6; Tu5; D10; MD11; MD83; B32; B34: B37; B744; B748; B752; B763; B772; B773; B77W; A320; A332; A333; A342; A343.
"A NO" is a positive answer., "DON'T KNOW" is not. My Tutor (a wise man)
“CUBANA” 90 years Flying”
 
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Re: Accident investigation in the USSR?

Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:57 am

Many Thanks!!!
Rgds
“An4; IL18; IL6; Tu5; D10; MD11; MD83; B32; B34: B37; B744; B748; B752; B763; B772; B773; B77W; A320; A332; A333; A342; A343.
"A NO" is a positive answer., "DON'T KNOW" is not. My Tutor (a wise man)
“CUBANA” 90 years Flying”
 
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Re: Accident investigation in the USSR?

Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:58 am

(sorry for repetitive posts)
“An4; IL18; IL6; Tu5; D10; MD11; MD83; B32; B34: B37; B744; B748; B752; B763; B772; B773; B77W; A320; A332; A333; A342; A343.
"A NO" is a positive answer., "DON'T KNOW" is not. My Tutor (a wise man)
“CUBANA” 90 years Flying”

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