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Cargo hold

Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:02 pm

Hello, I would like to ask if anyone knows, what is the use of the smaller aft cargo hold that can be found usually in long-haul aircraft.
 
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Re: Cargo hold

Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:11 pm

The smaller aft bin is normally called the 'Bulk' bin, it normally accommodates bags that arrived after the cans were already closed up or arrived after loading began. They also store items that cannot be containerized for some reason in this bin, things like outsized checked luggage and gate return items like strollers.
 
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Re: Cargo hold

Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:58 am

A320s have the same small bulk door. I've never used it since we bulk load all the cargo bins on the A320 where I work and use the two larger doors, but the door is still there.
 
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Re: Cargo hold

Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:09 am

qcpilotxf wrote:
The smaller aft bin is normally called the 'Bulk' bin, it normally accommodates bags that arrived after the cans were already closed up or arrived after loading began. They also store items that cannot be containerized for some reason in this bin, things like outsized checked luggage and gate return items like strollers.


Another non-containerisable type of cargo is live animals such as dogs and cats, which is why on many (most?) larger aircraft you can heat the bulk hold but not the main holds.
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Re: Cargo hold

Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:18 pm

Years ago, I worked as a cargo handler at the FedEx ramp in San Antonio, TX. We would get a A300 in that had cargo in the bulk section. Often this was large bags with locks on them that were destined for the federal reserve bank and others. I can't say for sure, but I assumed it was bags of cash and other financial instruments. There would be a armored truck with armed guards waiting for these items. Amazingly, the truck personnel were not allowed onto the aircraft ramp, they waited for us to unload the cargo and bring it around to the truck. Then you had to wait while an inspection of all the locks and seals was performed by the guards before you could leave. If a seal was found broken the whole world came to an immediate stop.

On our aircraft the bulk cargo area also has a Tail Specific Parts (TSP) box. It is used to hold aircraft parts that the plane will need for maintenance at a later date. This is usually an item on the Outstanding Items List that will need some aircraft down time to perform, so the parts travel with the plane until it gets to a place the work can be done.

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Re: Cargo hold

Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:40 pm

Usually the bulk compartment, or compartment 5 if you will, is the last to be filled and the first to be emptied. This makes it the first choice for e.g. late connecting bags and priority bags. It is also ideal for strollers, baby carriers or wheelchairs. Since most live animals can't be loaded in containers, it is also frequently used for loading of that kind of cargo. Some carriers also use them for specific purposes, such as that mentioned by Gregory above.

It may also, in case balance has gone out the window for whatever reason, be used to get a too nose heavy aircraft back in trim by stuffing it with bags, cargo or whatever else is on hand - even ballast in rare cases.
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Re: Cargo hold

Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:56 pm

B777LRF wrote:
Usually the bulk compartment, or compartment 5 if you will, is the last to be filled and the first to be emptied. This makes it the first choice for e.g. late connecting bags and priority bags. It is also ideal for strollers, baby carriers or wheelchairs. Since most live animals can't be loaded in containers, it is also frequently used for loading of that kind of cargo. Some carriers also use them for specific purposes, such as that mentioned by Gregory above.

It may also, in case balance has gone out the window for whatever reason, be used to get a too nose heavy aircraft back in trim by stuffing it with bags, cargo or whatever else is on hand - even ballast in rare cases.


For optimal balance and fuel efficiency there are some airlines that even start by filling the bulk hold/hold 5 on the A319/320 first, and work forwards from there on loose loaded airframes.
 
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Re: Cargo hold

Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:38 am

Courier bags, mail and last Minute cargo with, depeding on Airport 90/60 min and less cut off times
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Re: Cargo hold

Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:14 pm

PanHAM wrote:
Courier bags, mail and last Minute cargo with, depeding on Airport 90/60 min and less cut off times


And diplomatic mail bags.
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Re: Cargo hold

Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:24 am

falls under courier bags, the difference is that customs are not allowed to inspect the content
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Re: Cargo hold

Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:46 pm

Courier bags, smaller items of cargo, mail etc.
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