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Where do new 737s for SouthWest go? How are they received?

Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:29 pm

When SouthWest Airlines received new planes, where do they go? Do they fly them out of Payne field to a specific Airport (Like Love Field) where SouthWest goes through it's own receiving evaluation?
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Re: Where do new 737s for SouthWest go? How are they received?

Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:49 pm

The are accepted by Southwest at Boeing. The go to PAE for WiFi and other in house mods and then into service.
Looking at flight aware the last one flew PAE-PHX and entered service 6 hours later.
The last time I was at PAE they were even being catered (provisioned) so they are fully ready for service.
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Re: Where do new 737s for SouthWest go? How are they received?

Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:02 pm

I love nitpicking: SouthWest?? Payne Field??
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Re: Where do new 737s for SouthWest go? How are they received?

Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:36 am

aeromoe wrote:
I love nitpicking: SouthWest?? Payne Field??


I write a lot of C++/C#/HTML code.... TitleCase (<- see what I just did there?) is a bit of an affliction... the desire to distinguish keywords and ideas in a variable or file name without embedding spaces... it creeps its way into my writing all of the time. Payne field however..... yeah... that's just my misspelling... and I do that all of the time as well. I will add that I am a bit disappointed in myself for not capitalizing Field. :D

Amazing they are that ready to go into service upon delivery at the Vendor's site... Efficient.
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Re: Where do new 737s for SouthWest go? How are they received?

Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:42 am

aeromoe wrote:
I love nitpicking: SouthWest?? Payne Field??

Everett Wa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paine_Field I worked several years fin the 80's for an outfit called Tramco and then later called ATS. We performed a fair amount of post delivery E.O.'s (Engineering Orders) for several customers. Stuff like Installing in cabin safety equipment and about any BFE (Buyer Furnished Equipment) the airlines didn't want to pay Boeing to install.
 
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Re: Where do new 737s for SouthWest go? How are they received?

Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:43 pm

ODwyerPW wrote:
aeromoe wrote:
I love nitpicking: SouthWest?? Payne Field??


I write a lot of C++/C#/HTML code.... TitleCase (<- see what I just did there?) is a bit of an affliction... the desire to distinguish keywords and ideas in a variable or file name without embedding spaces... it creeps its way into my writing all of the time. Payne field however..... yeah... that's just my misspelling... and I do that all of the time as well. I will add that I am a bit disappointed in myself for not capitalizing Field. :D

Amazing they are that ready to go into service upon delivery at the Vendor's site... Efficient.


They go to a MX base first before going in service. The PAE-PHX is just a repositing flight.
 
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Re: Where do new 737s for SouthWest go? How are they received?

Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:00 pm

INFINITI329 wrote:
They go to a MX base first before going in service. The PAE-PHX is just a repositing flight.


Do they have a specific mx base for placing planes in service? I guess that's really my question.

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Re: Where do new 737s for SouthWest go? How are they received?

Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:14 pm

ODwyerPW wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:
They go to a MX base first before going in service. The PAE-PHX is just a repositing flight.


Do they have a specific mx base for placing planes in service? I guess that's really my question.

Peter


Can't say for sure but PHX definitely seems like the primary one to accept new deliveries
 
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Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:19 pm

ODwyerPW wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:
They go to a MX base first before going in service. The PAE-PHX is just a repositing flight.


Do they have a specific mx base for placing planes in service? I guess that's really my question.

Peter

PHX and DAL are the big ones. The MAXs go there.
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Re: Where do new 737s for SouthWest go? How are they received?

Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:27 am

That would be a fun job.... just readying newly received planes....
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Re: Where do new 737s for SouthWest go? How are they received?

Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:09 am

Do regular line pilots go to PAE and pick up the airplanes or does Southwest have a special group of pilots that take care of this?
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Re: Where do new 737s for SouthWest go? How are they received?

Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:58 am

trent772 wrote:
Do regular line pilots go to PAE and pick up the airplanes or does Southwest have a special group of pilots that take care of this?

I'm no expert but it's only 37 mile between SEA and PAE so I would guess that a crew from a flight into SEA would be the best choice for picking up the new plane at PAE providing they still have flight time left.
 
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Re: Where do new 737s for SouthWest go? How are they received?

Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:00 am

Can't speak for SWA but Delta usually assigns this kind of flying to a specific crew. Recall that someone from the airline has to do an acceptance flight for the aircraft before the money exchanges hands. That that same crew will bring the airplane back for service introduction.

I have seen flights fro BFI to SEA in the 707/720B where the airplane actually entered service right there after the pillows, blankets and cabin amenities were loaded by the ground crews at SEATAC. Nothing like the smell off a new 707:)
 
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Re: Where do new 737s for SouthWest go? How are they received?

Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:36 am

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Can't speak for SWA but Delta usually assigns this kind of flying to a specific crew. Recall that someone from the airline has to do an acceptance flight for the aircraft before the money exchanges hands. That that same crew will bring the airplane back for service introduction.

I have seen flights fro BFI to SEA in the 707/720B where the airplane actually entered service right there after the pillows, blankets and cabin amenities were loaded by the ground crews at SEATAC. Nothing like the smell off a new 707:)

The acceptance flights are completed prior to customer acceptance and ticketing (Airworthy Certificate). A minimum of 2 acceptance flights are flown with Boeing flying the first flight and additional Boeing flights if there are flight squawks that require a reflight. Once Boeing accepts the aircraft as airworthy the customer will then fly the aircraft, sometimes several flights, for their acceptance process.

Once ticketed, the aircraft will not fly away for at least 2 days because of after ticketing Delivery specific jobs, servicing (fueling etc.) and pre-flight so it would make no sense to have a flight crew just waiting around to take delivery. IDK what actually happens because I have never had access to a carriers pilot's schedule.

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Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:45 am

I tried to stay away from the old beaters when was active. Actually the worst smell, other than say a laod of monkeys was a load of strawberry's..

Boeing use to cover the cockpit floor in the 707's with a material called Royalite and it had that great new car smell. They did away with it I the 737 and 727 for some reason.

My personal experience picking up new MD11's and 777's was a dedicated crew prepared to stay several days if required and in the case of the 777's we took a Boeing IP with us and went over to Moses Lake for landings. This were the first batch of 777's that the airline received from Boeing. Actually the 2nd airplane delivery involved a Boeing hosted dinner party at the Museum of Flight.
 
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Re: Where do new 737s for SouthWest go? How are they received?

Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:00 pm

I've picked up a few new a/c from PAE for entry into service - definitely a fun feeling. The short answer (at least for WN) is that Check Airman will do the official new aircraft acceptance at Renton. I believe most, if not all are taken to PAE for final fitting of equipment. I think the MAX went directly to DAL/PHX - so on that point I'm unclear. I do know that ATS at PAE does wifi and other modifications at which point the a/c is essentially ready for service. The flight from PAE is handled by regular crews as a ferry flight. I've taken them to PHX in the middle of the night and directly to the hangar, where they were prepared for service the following day. We also ferried a "green" -800 to the paint facility in GEG. That a/c - N8642E, was to become the first Heart livery. I thought it odd that Boeing would deliver to us a green, unpainted a/c, so I suspected something was up. I honestly figured it was to become a speciality themed a/c, but along the way, a certain somebody let the cat out of the bag - thinking we were already informed. We played along, trying to get the "scoop" - it wasn't until subsequent flights to GEG that we caught a glimpse of the new livery hiding in a hangar.
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