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LAX772LR wrote:So, let's say the water crisis at CPT is anywhere near what the hype would have us believe...
...what are airlines going to do about potable water?
Anyone know any contingency plans?
VSMUT wrote:LAX772LR wrote:So, let's say the water crisis at CPT is anywhere near what the hype would have us believe...
...what are airlines going to do about potable water?
Anyone know any contingency plans?
Just tanker enough water from the home airport for a return flight?
Europe/Asia to Cape Town is a bit longer than some other African destinations, but I seriously doubt that airlines pick up water in most of sub-Saharan Africa due to dubious water quality. Standard policy would be to bring enough water for a return flight.
Faro wrote:Wow...bring enough water for a return flight...I wonder how much that would cost on a long-haul flight to CPT for example?...what would that be, 2-3 metric tons on a 333 for example?...
Faro
VSMUT wrote:
... but I seriously doubt that airlines pick up water in most of sub-Saharan Africa due to dubious water quality. Standard policy would be to bring enough water for a return flight.
BartSimpson wrote:VSMUT wrote:
... but I seriously doubt that airlines pick up water in most of sub-Saharan Africa due to dubious water quality. Standard policy would be to bring enough water for a return flight.
I can only speak for Cape Town and Jo'burg - and a few smaller cities - but there is absolutely no reason not to fill water (if there is any...) at their airports. Water quality is just fine.
BartSimpson wrote:VSMUT wrote:
... but I seriously doubt that airlines pick up water in most of sub-Saharan Africa due to dubious water quality. Standard policy would be to bring enough water for a return flight.
I can only speak for Cape Town and Jo'burg - and a few smaller cities - but there is absolutely no reason not to fill water (if there is any...) at their airports. Water quality is just fine.
gabrielchew wrote:Most flights headed to Africa from Europe go with the water tanks 100% full. Whilst filling those tanks takes a lot of valuable water, it really is a drop in the ocean (so to speak) of the entire water demand for the city. If everyone is limited to 50L a day (is that right?), and the population is ~ 430,000 (according to Wikipedia), then that is 21.5 million L per day for personal use. Topping up one jumbo with water 1000L is neither here nor there.
A quick look at the CPT departures for today show:
LH to MUC, QR to DOH, DE to FRA, EK to DXB x2, BA to LHR x 2, LX to ZRH....that's only 8 longhuals to fill.
A0237/18 NOTAMR A4056/17
Q) FACA/QFAXX/IV/BO/A/000/999/3358S01836E005
A) FACT B) 1801180921 C) 1804172200 EST
E) AD IS CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING A SERIOUS WATER CRISIS AS A RESULT OF
AN EXTENDED DROUGHT. ALL ROLE PLAYERS ARE TAKING IMMEDIATE MEASURES
TO REDUCE WATER CONSUMPTION, TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY DOES NOT RUN OUT
OF WATER. AS A RESULT, ALL ACFT HAVE TO TANKER WATER INTO FACT AND
ENSURE THAT THE ON BOARD WATER TANKS ARE FILLED AT THE DEP AD.
MINIMAL UPLIFT OF WATER WILL BE ALLOWED OUT OF FACT.
grjplanes wrote:gabrielchew wrote:Most flights headed to Africa from Europe go with the water tanks 100% full. Whilst filling those tanks takes a lot of valuable water, it really is a drop in the ocean (so to speak) of the entire water demand for the city. If everyone is limited to 50L a day (is that right?), and the population is ~ 430,000 (according to Wikipedia), then that is 21.5 million L per day for personal use. Topping up one jumbo with water 1000L is neither here nor there.
A quick look at the CPT departures for today show:
LH to MUC, QR to DOH, DE to FRA, EK to DXB x2, BA to LHR x 2, LX to ZRH....that's only 8 longhuals to fill.
Really don't work according to Wikipedia...the population of the Metro that is in this situation is roughly 4 million...that number is probably only for the inner city CBD areas (which will actually be last affected if D-Day happens)...currently daily usage for the city is about 500million litres per day (it's not just personal use...), the target is 450million for now to keep pushing back D-Day (which is now for July...so there's success)...even my city with around 200 000 population currently use around 30million litres per day
Longhaul departures this time of year range between 10 and 15 per day...those you mentioned is for today yes, but not all...EK is actually x 3, TK to IST, KL to AMS, AF to CDG, MT to LGW...then there's also ET and DT with widebody aircraft and considering the rest of the smaller regional flights (VFA,GBE,WDH,WVB,MUB) will probably have to rather take water from CPT for their return to CPT due to them going in regions which might not have the best water quality
gabrielchew wrote:grjplanes wrote:gabrielchew wrote:Most flights headed to Africa from Europe go with the water tanks 100% full. Whilst filling those tanks takes a lot of valuable water, it really is a drop in the ocean (so to speak) of the entire water demand for the city. If everyone is limited to 50L a day (is that right?), and the population is ~ 430,000 (according to Wikipedia), then that is 21.5 million L per day for personal use. Topping up one jumbo with water 1000L is neither here nor there.
A quick look at the CPT departures for today show:
LH to MUC, QR to DOH, DE to FRA, EK to DXB x2, BA to LHR x 2, LX to ZRH....that's only 8 longhuals to fill.
Really don't work according to Wikipedia...the population of the Metro that is in this situation is roughly 4 million...that number is probably only for the inner city CBD areas (which will actually be last affected if D-Day happens)...currently daily usage for the city is about 500million litres per day (it's not just personal use...), the target is 450million for now to keep pushing back D-Day (which is now for July...so there's success)...even my city with around 200 000 population currently use around 30million litres per day
Longhaul departures this time of year range between 10 and 15 per day...those you mentioned is for today yes, but not all...EK is actually x 3, TK to IST, KL to AMS, AF to CDG, MT to LGW...then there's also ET and DT with widebody aircraft and considering the rest of the smaller regional flights (VFA,GBE,WDH,WVB,MUB) will probably have to rather take water from CPT for their return to CPT due to them going in regions which might not have the best water quality
Well with those figures, my point is even better illustrated, so thank you. 15 or even 50 aircraft needing filling is nothing compared to a daily usage of 450m litres.
gabrielchew wrote:Most flights headed to Africa from Europe go with the water tanks 100% full. Whilst filling those tanks takes a lot of valuable water, it really is a drop in the ocean (so to speak) of the entire water demand for the city. If everyone is limited to 50L a day (is that right?), and the population is ~ 430,000 (according to Wikipedia), then that is 21.5 million L per day for personal use. Topping up one jumbo with water 1000L is neither here nor there.
A quick look at the CPT departures for today show:
LH to MUC, QR to DOH, DE to FRA, EK to DXB x2, BA to LHR x 2, LX to ZRH....that's only 8 longhuals to fill.
aeropix wrote:BUT, the elephant in the room is that it takes a lot of water to process human waste, and we must dump the lavatories after such a long flight, so even though every airline can round-trip the water, there is still an impact in CPT airport from the international toilet waste that cannot be returned to origin.
LAX772LR wrote:aeropix wrote:toilet waste that cannot be returned to origin.
Have a measurement of how much water that requires?
Have any airports moved to a vac system, or anything of the sort, to conserve?