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BWIAirport wrote:After seeing this, it's surprising to see this practice never used on 757s, especially the larger 753s.
uta999 wrote:As a matter of interest, why don't the manufacturers put the steps down to the ground on the left? They always seem to be engine side (RHS)
c933103 wrote:uta999 wrote:As a matter of interest, why don't the manufacturers put the steps down to the ground on the left? They always seem to be engine side (RHS)
....? Aircraft have engines on both sides
BWIAirport wrote:After seeing this, it's surprising to see this practice never used on 757s, especially the larger 753s.
BWIAirport wrote:After seeing this, it's surprising to see this practice never used on 757s, especially the larger 753s.
atcsundevil wrote:BWIAirport wrote:After seeing this, it's surprising to see this practice never used on 757s, especially the larger 753s.
Using duel jetways? It's commonplace on the 757, it's just dependent on the gate having duel jetways available. The 757 regularly boards from L2, so it's easy to also connect to L1 if it's a duel jetbridge gate.
reidar76 wrote:From 2020 all A321 will have the new modified fuselage where door pair 2 is permanently removed.
It is much more useful and interesting to have a jetway connected to both the front and the rear doors at the same time.
Here is a picture from Albany airport. Look at the to gates to the left:
Here is a video from Albany airport, with rear jetway retracting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ZS4c8AJbE
reidar76 wrote:From 2020 all A321 will have the new modified fuselage where door pair 2 is permanently removed.
It is much more useful and interesting to have a jetway connected to both the front and the rear doors at the same time.
Here is a picture from Albany airport. Look at the to gates to the left:
Here is a video from Albany airport, with rear jetway retracting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ZS4c8AJbE
Whiteguy wrote:reidar76 wrote:From 2020 all A321 will have the new modified fuselage where door pair 2 is permanently removed.
It is much more useful and interesting to have a jetway connected to both the front and the rear doors at the same time.
Here is a picture from Albany airport. Look at the to gates to the left:
Here is a video from Albany airport, with rear jetway retracting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ZS4c8AJbE
WestJet used a couple bridges like this in YYC and YVR, I don’t think it was anymore efficient and aircraft were damaged. Bridges are gone now.
BWIAirport wrote:atcsundevil wrote:BWIAirport wrote:After seeing this, it's surprising to see this practice never used on 757s, especially the larger 753s.
Using duel jetways? It's commonplace on the 757, it's just dependent on the gate having duel jetways available. The 757 regularly boards from L2, so it's easy to also connect to L1 if it's a duel jetbridge gate.
My mistake, I have personally never seen this. From what I've seen, 757s typically use single-jetway stands in the US, maybe with the exception of LAX
BWIAirport wrote:After seeing this, it's surprising to see this practice never used on 757s, especially the larger 753s.
travaz wrote:I can see where [using the rear door] would help with faster unloading but I didn't see a lot of advantage boarding. Especially on WN where everyone wants to sit up front. Seems like a lot of expense with out a lot of gain.
reidar76 wrote:Having jetways for both the front and rear doors would be great, but of course it should be a jetway where there is very little chance of damaging the aircraft in case of malfunctions or improper operations. Maybe it should be a jetway for the rear door that didn't pass over the wing. That would probably be a better solution than the one on Albany.
United1 wrote:Whiteguy wrote:reidar76 wrote:From 2020 all A321 will have the new modified fuselage where door pair 2 is permanently removed.
It is much more useful and interesting to have a jetway connected to both the front and the rear doors at the same time.
Here is a picture from Albany airport. Look at the to gates to the left:
Here is a video from Albany airport, with rear jetway retracting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ZS4c8AJbE
WestJet used a couple bridges like this in YYC and YVR, I don’t think it was anymore efficient and aircraft were damaged. Bridges are gone now.
UA tried overwing jetbridges on a few gates in DEN as well...one of the bridges failed and dropped onto the wing of a 752. The aircraft was repaired but the bridges were removed soon afterwords...
travaz wrote:reidar76 wrote:From 2020 all A321 will have the new modified fuselage where door pair 2 is permanently removed.
It is much more useful and interesting to have a jetway connected to both the front and the rear doors at the same time.
Here is a picture from Albany airport. Look at the to gates to the left:
Here is a video from Albany airport, with rear jetway retracting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ZS4c8AJbE
The movement of the Jet way in Albany looks like a disaster in the making. The following video of people boarding shows that no one used the rear entrance. I can see where it would help with faster unloading but I didn't see a lot of advantage boarding. Especially on WN where everyone wants to sit up front. Seems like a lot of expense with out a lot of gain.
uta999 wrote:As a matter of interest, why don't the manufacturers put the steps down to the ground on the left? They always seem to be engine side (RHS)
United1 wrote:Whiteguy wrote:reidar76 wrote:From 2020 all A321 will have the new modified fuselage where door pair 2 is permanently removed.
It is much more useful and interesting to have a jetway connected to both the front and the rear doors at the same time.
Here is a picture from Albany airport. Look at the to gates to the left:
Here is a video from Albany airport, with rear jetway retracting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ZS4c8AJbE
WestJet used a couple bridges like this in YYC and YVR, I don’t think it was anymore efficient and aircraft were damaged. Bridges are gone now.
UA tried overwing jetbridges on a few gates in DEN as well...one of the bridges failed and dropped onto the wing of a 752. The aircraft was repaired but the bridges were removed soon afterwords...
Antarius wrote:BWIAirport wrote:atcsundevil wrote:Using duel jetways? It's commonplace on the 757, it's just dependent on the gate having duel jetways available. The 757 regularly boards from L2, so it's easy to also connect to L1 if it's a duel jetbridge gate.
My mistake, I have personally never seen this. From what I've seen, 757s typically use single-jetway stands in the US, maybe with the exception of LAX
Typically in my experience it is 1 jetway for the 757. Although that 1 jetway is usually at L2 for the 757 vs L1 on the 321.
reidar76 wrote:travaz wrote:I can see where [using the rear door] would help with faster unloading but I didn't see a lot of advantage boarding. Especially on WN where everyone wants to sit up front. Seems like a lot of expense with out a lot of gain.
Most LCC in Europe board passengers using both front and rear doors (using only stairs). On your boarding pass it says if you are to board in the front or rear of the aircraft. Using both doors is actually twice as fast, as passengers are divided 50/50 between the doors.
aemoreira1981 wrote:Something that I have never seen before. American actually paints A321 on the A321s to let ramp personnel know that the door goes to L1 there versus L2 on a B752 (to an untrained eye, they look alike). This is the first time I have seen L2 used for boarding an A321.
bohica wrote:I always thought the L2 door on the A321 was smaller than the L1 door and that the L2 door was an emergency exit only.reidar76 wrote:Having jetways for both the front and rear doors would be great, but of course it should be a jetway where there is very little chance of damaging the aircraft in case of malfunctions or improper operations. Maybe it should be a jetway for the rear door that didn't pass over the wing. That would probably be a better solution than the one on Albany.
Look at some of the photos of UA DC-8's parked parallel to the terminal in SFO and LAX in the late 60's, early 70's. They had jetways to the front and rear doors. However it took up too much ramp space.
BWIAirport wrote:After seeing this, it's surprising to see this practice never used on 757s, especially the larger 753s.
XLA2008 wrote:BWIAirport wrote:After seeing this, it's surprising to see this practice never used on 757s, especially the larger 753s.
8 years as a flight attendant on the 757 and we ALWAYS use L1 & L2 for boarding with both stairs and jet bridge, more so L2 (closer to the wing and engine) than L1... its extremely common. With stairs usually use L2 and L4 doors, rarely L1 but sometimes. Not sure why you think it’s rare to use L2 for boarding on a 757. I actually think it’s more rare not to use L2.
BWIAirport wrote:After seeing this, it's surprising to see this practice never used on 757s, especially the larger 753s.
Tristarsteve wrote:Not all A321 have a useable door at L2. The BA A321 have a break in the hatrack on the L2 side to allow boarding. There is no break at R2. Some A321 have a continuous hatrack on the L2 door position, so could not be used for boarding.