BoeingGuy wrote:767333ER wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:
Nor totally correct. The LCD displays have several very modern functions like a Vertical Situation Display and RNP Nav Performance Scales. That outdated FMC was the first airplane in the world to support a .1nm RNP.
And the NG’s screens could do all the same things other than OMF which they could have fit on those as well. Why put those huge 787 screens if it still can’t tell/show you what the systems are doing, where at the airport you are, or have your checklists or anything like that on there? RNP and ANP scales could be put on the old CRT displays if the old 737s needed it and any relatively modern plane would have that, just not in the same place. Even a Dash 8-100 can tell you that. And VSD is from the early/mid 2000s so it’s not as modern of a thing as some think compared to airport diagrams for example. Considering the 737 isn’t the only RNP capable plane, it being the first doesn’t say much because it was only first because the first operators that saw the need for RNP happened to be 737 operators, many other types of plane that are as old can do the same thing and do nowadays. The FMC lags when you type, it can’t do FMC COMM or NAV RAD functions, and it can’t tell the pressurization system what you landing elevation is and even worse the cruise altitude. Even an old 757 that’s parked in the desert could do that latter.
So what exactly is your point? We’ve already established that the 737 Max has some less than futuristic design. If you happened to have read previous posts before your rant, you might also understand there are some valid reasons for that. I don’t like it anymore than anyone else. But there are some good business reasons why the 737 is what it is.
Personally I don’t have the big drama that some people have about how the A320 is soooooo much wider and more comfortable. I find AS’s 737s just fine in coach. AA’s seem more cramped.
Well first of all I didn’t say anything about the passenger experience so that’s besides the point. There are some good business reasons why you don’t get the food you used to or the seat pitch you used to, but that doesn’t mean you have to like it. I look at it though the pilots point of view, I couldn’t care less what the beancounters think because if they could have it even more their way things would be even worse. This is a thread about why we think the 737 is outdated and I’m just listing the things I think might be outdated. If it bothers you, why are you even reading this thread as the nature of this discussing is critiquing the 737, if it doesn’t great.
barney captain wrote:I'm not at all saying the 737 doesn't have plenty of room for improvement, but some of your comments are just hard to justify;It has those massive LCD displays that can’t display much of anything more than the CRTs could on the classic.
Huh?The autopilot still needs to have CWS for when it supposedly screws up from time to time.
That's just plain nonsense.
The rest, I agree with. )
That may be a 737-200/300 cockpit, but I wasn’t comparing to the electromechanical instruments, but rather the CRT EFIS. As for the autopilot I’m just coming to a conclusion based off of what information I’ve been given. I’ve been told that CWS is a feature never used on the 757/767 which is why it has largely been removed at operators such as Delta and I’ve also been told that the 737’s autopilot has a few issues others do not such as it does trance things on VNAV or it sometimes just gives up on an approach so the conclusion I draw from that is that there is a reason they still feel the need to put CWS or there is a need for operators not to remove it. I wasn’t 100% sure which is why I said supposedly. I respect that you fly the thing and I haven’t, it makes me wonder about the others that have and do complain, opinions I guess...