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Pilot flies right over Hurricane Nate

Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:28 pm

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DCM4000

Flying right over Hurricane Nate...
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barney captain
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Re: Pilot flies right over Hurricane Nate

Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:33 am

Absolutely. The tops of the TRW's in a hurricane are comparatively low - usually below FL300 and can be topped with no issue.
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Re: Pilot flies right over Hurricane Nate

Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:59 am

There is never an issue until there is an issue with the plane! Airlines never fly over extreme weather events, why? What if you cannot fly over FL30? Yes the plane could physically fly through a hurricane but it is not really a good idea.
 
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Re: Pilot flies right over Hurricane Nate

Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:09 am

Alnicocunife wrote:
There is never an issue until there is an issue with the plane! Airlines never fly over extreme weather events, why? What if you cannot fly over FL30? Yes the plane could physically fly through a hurricane but it is not really a good idea.


Flightaware shows that it was filed at FL450 which should be on top of most if not all the clouds in the hurricane. You do bring up a great point. What would happen if they lost cabin pressure and needed to descend? Any number of maintenance issues could have arisen that would require them to rapidly descend. Do you want to have to do that when flying on top of a hurricane or tropical storm?
 
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Re: Pilot flies right over Hurricane Nate

Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:01 am

I overflew Superstorm Sandy at F450; dead smooth and the undercast was at F400 or so. They aren’t at jet speeds that big. Engine loss at the weight we were at would have been a non-event. Pressuzation loss migh5 have been, but even then the plane doesn’t go down vertically.

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Re: Pilot flies right over Hurricane Nate

Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:30 am

Nate was a pretty meager hurricane.
 
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Re: Pilot flies right over Hurricane Nate

Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:45 pm

MSJYOP28Apilot wrote:
Alnicocunife wrote:
There is never an issue until there is an issue with the plane! Airlines never fly over extreme weather events, why? What if you cannot fly over FL30? Yes the plane could physically fly through a hurricane but it is not really a good idea.


Flightaware shows that it was filed at FL450 which should be on top of most if not all the clouds in the hurricane. You do bring up a great point. What would happen if they lost cabin pressure and needed to descend? Any number of maintenance issues could have arisen that would require them to rapidly descend. Do you want to have to do that when flying on top of a hurricane or tropical storm?


If they have enough oxygen for the crew + pax (if they even carried any), then they can wait with the emergency descent. What would it take to fly from the eye to the edge of the storm in a Hawker? 30 minutes? The pilots should have enough oxygen for that.
 
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Re: Pilot flies right over Hurricane Nate

Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:58 pm

As far as I know, no commercial or civilian private jet flew over Hurricane Irma or Jose. As those hurricanes were much stronger, the tops of the clouds were higher, around 40,000-50,000 feet.

Irma and Jose were category 5 and 4 storms, but Nate cannot compare with those two, as at its peak, it was a category 1 hurricane. So I can see one or two brave biz jets flying over the storm if necessary.
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Re: Pilot flies right over Hurricane Nate

Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:27 pm

All aircraft operating above 10,000’ have to have sufficient oxygen on board, so “if they even carried oxygen” is not a factor. The NOAA Gulfstream regularily overflies major hurricanes at F450 or F470. Hurricanes depend on upper level high pressure and clear air to “exhaust” the heat pump. Think of it as a horizontal turbocharger- the heat has to go somewhere
 
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Re: Pilot flies right over Hurricane Nate

Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:05 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
All aircraft operating above 10,000’ have to have sufficient oxygen on board, so “if they even carried oxygen” is not a factor. The NOAA Gulfstream regularily overflies major hurricanes at F450 or F470. Hurricanes depend on upper level high pressure and clear air to “exhaust” the heat pump. Think of it as a horizontal turbocharger- the heat has to go somewhere


Pretty sure the "all" comment is not accurate, a private piston plane can cruise at 10,500 VFR with no O2 onboard.
 
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Re: Pilot flies right over Hurricane Nate

Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:29 pm

Alnicocunife wrote:
There is never an issue until there is an issue with the plane! Airlines never fly over extreme weather events, why? What if you cannot fly over FL30? Yes the plane could physically fly through a hurricane but it is not really a good idea.


Never? Of course they do - with regularity. There are times in the Southwest of the US when the TRW's develop due to the airmass as opposed to frontal, and continue for hundreds of miles.

I do know that FL360 over Harvey (the one that hit Houston) was in the clear and smooth as silk.
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Re: Pilot flies right over Hurricane Nate

Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:32 pm

exunited wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
All aircraft operating above 10,000’ have to have sufficient oxygen on board, so “if they even carried oxygen” is not a factor. The NOAA Gulfstream regularily overflies major hurricanes at F450 or F470. Hurricanes depend on upper level high pressure and clear air to “exhaust” the heat pump. Think of it as a horizontal turbocharger- the heat has to go somewhere


Pretty sure the "all" comment is not accurate, a private piston plane can cruise at 10,500 VFR with no O2 onboard.

Per the FAA crew members only need oxygen for a cabin pressure of 12,500 up to 14,000 for a flight longer than 30 minutes. Above 14,000 the crew is required to be on oxygen and the passengers are required to be on oxygen if the cabin pressure is 15,000 or higher. So an aircraft can fly unpressurized IFR at 13,000 feet without oxygen as long they are only above 12,500 for less than 30 minutes.
 
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Re: Pilot flies right over Hurricane Nate

Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:06 pm

Ok, I was assuming based on the overflight of Nate at F450 that we were talking about jets, not a 172. Mea Culpa
 
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Re: Pilot flies right over Hurricane Nate

Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:27 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
All aircraft operating above 10,000’ have to have sufficient oxygen on board, so “if they even carried oxygen” is not a factor. The NOAA Gulfstream regularily overflies major hurricanes at F450 or F470. Hurricanes depend on upper level high pressure and clear air to “exhaust” the heat pump. Think of it as a horizontal turbocharger- the heat has to go somewhere



12,500 for GA, my friend.

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