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Tan Flyr wrote:and it takes 2 pilots to fly a 30-40 seater..or they can fly a 70/ 70+ seater...double revenue potential with same general pilot labor expense. ( as well as pilot availability)
Flighty wrote:The only reason 30 seaters are better is when a 70 seater can't be filled. One of the stories here (especially in Brazil one would think) is economic growth. There are more customers now, so no more little planes.
What I am trying to say is that yeah, 70 seaters are more labor efficient than 30 seaters. And the same was true 60 years ago. Nothing changed about that really.
What changed is either the markets got bigger, or perhaps pilot wages have risen so that now 30-seat markets can no longer recruit a pilots to fly them.
LPSHobby wrote:Flighty wrote:The only reason 30 seaters are better is when a 70 seater can't be filled. One of the stories here (especially in Brazil one would think) is economic growth. There are more customers now, so no more little planes.
What I am trying to say is that yeah, 70 seaters are more labor efficient than 30 seaters. And the same was true 60 years ago. Nothing changed about that really.
What changed is either the markets got bigger, or perhaps pilot wages have risen so that now 30-seat markets can no longer recruit a pilots to fly them.
ok, but what about routes that can´t sustain a 70 seater, why are there so few operations with smaller aircraft?
drgmobile wrote:Well there haven't been any new generation aircraft in that size introduced in decades so the economics aren't great.
gunnerman wrote:It seems to me most unlikely that single pilot flying would be allowed for a 19-seat aircraft on IFR or night operation.
dtw2hyd wrote:I think regulators should allow single pilot up to 19 passengers.
dtw2hyd wrote:I think regulators should allow single pilot up to 19 passengers.
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:They do one pilot up to at least 10 passengers, in the case of Cape Air.
Wikipedia wrote:Effective July 15, 2013, all pilots crewing U.S. airlines' regularly scheduled passenger flights must hold an ATPL (including the co-pilot)
The FAA ATP flight test can be taken in a light piston aircraft with 1500 hours experience. It is therefore common for FAA pilots to earn their ATP (required to command large commercial aircraft) without ever having flown such aircraft
The EASA ATPL, by contrast, requires 500 hours experience as a co-pilot of multi-crew aircraft, with the ATPL flight test being taken on a multi-crew aircraft.
SheikhDjibouti wrote:dtw2hyd wrote:I think regulators should allow single pilot up to 19 passengers.SyracuseAvGeek wrote:They do one pilot up to at least 10 passengers, in the case of Cape Air.
How about one fully qualified pilot, backed up by a trainee pilot, someone looking to build up his hours, who will fly for peanuts in order to satisfy that need?
In fact, isn't that what used to happen ....?Wikipedia wrote:Effective July 15, 2013, all pilots crewing U.S. airlines' regularly scheduled passenger flights must hold an ATPL (including the co-pilot)
The FAA ATP flight test can be taken in a light piston aircraft with 1500 hours experience. It is therefore common for FAA pilots to earn their ATP (required to command large commercial aircraft) without ever having flown such aircraft
The EASA ATPL, by contrast, requires 500 hours experience as a co-pilot of multi-crew aircraft, with the ATPL flight test being taken on a multi-crew aircraft.
I'm sure the answer is written somewhere in the quote-box above.