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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:39 pm

Tokyo Narita Runway 16L/34R. It was planned to be a 4000m runway, but the authority failed to acquire a house that sits in the middle of the planned runway. After over 20 years of trying, the authority abandoned and the runway became a 2500m runway, with a house at one end, and the rest of the runway built at the other side of the house but with an "X" painted on that portion.

And then the taxiways leading to this runway is strangely configured to warp around that piece of private land.

See satellite image:
https://www.google.com.hk/maps/place/Narita+International+Airport+(NRT)/@35.7823938,140.3891343,1401m/data=!3m2!1e3!5s0x6022f30bbc0d9317:0x1406c81d944fe019!4m5!3m4!1s0x6022f379d1bd3757:0xd56e29a162771aa1!8m2!3d35.7719867!4d140.3928501


Macau Airport's only runway is entirely built on a man made island, so it's surrounded by the sea on all 4 sides, with 2 taxiways built on 2 causeways linking the runway to the apron.

See satellite image:
https://www.google.com.hk/maps/place/Macau+International+Airport+(MFM)/@22.1507082,113.5649052,4449m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x34016ff7baa5f789:0xeedea94ad3ce828d!8m2!3d22.1578359!4d113.5764123

Tokyo Haneda Airport also has one of the four runways sitting entirely out on the sea, separate from the airport ground and the other three runways.

See satellite image:
https://www.google.com.hk/maps/place/Haneda+Airport+(HND)/@35.5437528,139.7722366,5691m/data=!3m2!1e3!5s0x601863f770e699df:0xba8100a1616a65e7!4m5!3m4!1s0x6018640ba43192e3:0xd32c3a9d146f8df!8m2!3d35.5493932!4d139.7798386
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:47 pm

Bavd wrote:
Virtual737 wrote:
Schipol's Polderbaan runway which is so far from the main terminal that the taxi to/from it could take longer than the actual flight.

True but it is not rare. It is actually the most used rwy at AMS. For noise reasons.
Much rarer is landing on rwy 22 . Short and only used in case of very strong westerly winds.



Brokkenpiloot wrote:
Virtual737 wrote:
Schipol's Polderbaan runway which is so far from the main terminal that the taxi to/from it could take longer than the actual flight.


How is that rare? It's being used almost every day.

Talking about AMS, few weeks ago I saw on FR24 that 18R and 36R where used simultaneously for landings. Never saw that before.


It is not rare that the runway is used... it is rare that the runway is so far from the terminal. The OP asked for examples of (extremely) rare runway configurations. There aren't too many (in fact any) similar examples that I can think of, so I think it fits the bill.
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:50 pm

Most of the time operations at Chino use 26L/26R; occasionally 8L/8R, and once in a great while 21. I've never seen anything use 3.
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:57 pm

I think Heathrow's third runway is by far the rarest one in the world :duck:

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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:03 pm

raylee67 wrote:
Tokyo Narita Runway 16L/34R. It was planned to be a 4000m runway, but the authority failed to acquire a house that sits in the middle of the planned runway. After over 20 years of trying, the authority abandoned and the runway became a 2500m runway, with a house at one end, and the rest of the runway built at the other side of the house but with an "X" painted on that portion.

And then the taxiways leading to this runway is strangely configured to warp around that piece of private land.

See satellite image:
https://www.google.com.hk/maps/place/Narita+International+Airport+(NRT)/@35.7823938,140.3891343,1401m/data=!3m2!1e3!5s0x6022f30bbc0d9317:0x1406c81d944fe019!4m5!3m4!1s0x6022f379d1bd3757:0xd56e29a162771aa1!8m2!3d35.7719867!4d140.3928501


Fantastic.

Reminds me of Stott Hall Farm which sits in the middle of the M62 motorway in northern England. Myth has it that the farmer refused to sell the land, but reality is that there is a geographical fault under the farm and it made more sense to build around it.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.6416856,-1.9507282,389m/data=!3m1!1e3
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:09 pm

tjwgrr wrote:
Delta757MD88 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
EWR's 11/29 runway was part of the original runway of the airport going back almost 90 years ago but for many years has been usually for smaller regional aircraft, rare for larger aircraft.




Actually 11/29 is used for heavies and everythng landing on days when the winds are strong to the east. Never seen anything take off of 11 or 29 though. 11 is used only for smaller jets, largest being the A320 or B739 on certain days, the approach flies right over my house.


I can't say I've ever seen a departure off 11 at EWR. I have seen an RJ depart from 29 though.

It's been a while (12 years) since I flew out of EWR regularly, but I recall plenty of days when 29 was used heavily by the regionals for arrival and departure. I can't remember much from 11. And I certainly remember watching the big stuff use on days with particularly strong winds that favored it.
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:31 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
06/24 at STL is rarely used for commercial ops. I've landed on 24 twice however, but have neither taken off nor landed on 06.


I landed on 06 one time back in 1998 on an evening arrival from TPA. I recall looking out and, at first, being totally unfamiliar withe what I was seeing on our approach until we overflew Northwest Plaza. Only time that ever happened for me.
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:59 pm

Rare has to be landing on DFW 13L or 31L. Those are the crosswind runways, but those approach paths take you across 4 other active runways.

The current google images show tire marks on 31L and I've previously seen google imagery of touchdown marks on 13L before, but it had to have been an after hours GA flight, not a commercial or cargo carrier.
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:03 pm

At DFW, I have never seen landings on 13L and very few takeoffs on 31R.
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:15 pm

3/21 at PDX is rarely used for PAX operations, winds have to be pretty strong for that runway to be favored. It is used daily though, almost exclusively by Ameriflight. Its a convenient runway for them, they can taxi straight into the ramp after rollout!
14/32 at SLC isn't used very much by anybody. At less than 5000' the only planes that'll use it are GA, even that isn't too common as 17/35 are closer to the GA ramp.
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:57 pm

http://www.flightsimbooks.com/flightsim ... /413-1.jpg

O'Hare - before the new runways. Wind needed to be between 130 and 230 degrees, no gusts and clear/dry runways.
Arrivals:
22R LAHSO 9L (no foreign-registered A/C, no AA, no Mesa, no GA)
14L LAHSO 22R (turbo-props only and no GA or foreign-registered A/C)
14R LAHSO 9R (no foreign-registered A/C , no Mesa or GA unless no 9R arrivals)
9R - (no foreign-registered A/C if 14R was being used for LAHSO-needed a gap)

Departures:
9L and 22L

Same day, slower arrival period: Wind had to be between 130 and 310 degrees, no gusts, clear/dry runways.
22R LAHSO 9L (same restrictions as above)
14L LAHSO 22R (same restrictions as above)
14R no restrictions other than 4-mile spacing to accommodate 27L departures (LAHSO not authorized on 14R for 27L departures)

Departures:
9L
27L (could not roll if 14R arrival was inside a 2-mile final)
22L

It didn't get any more fun than these 2 configurations but they were rare because so many variables had to be in place to make it work. It's been a few years but I'm 99% sure these were the restrictions.
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:07 pm

33lspotter wrote:
I should amend my statement to say that I have never seen any takeoffs from 11 at EWR, but from what I've read some have said that it is possible. I see a few have said they've never seen 11 departures -- on the contrary, has anyone seen one?


It happens, but is rare, and usually only when winds or construction necessitate. The last time I recall was in 2014 or so on an AM 757-200 EWR-DEN. We left from a distant C-3 gate, had a quick taxi to 11 and were off to the races. I later heard a 757 going to EU blew an engine taking off from 11, so AFAIK that's happened too.

11 is used for landings somewhat regularly, while 29 is actually pretty common, especially on windy days out of the west. The normal procedure is to fly an ILS approach to the 22L (southerly flow) and circle to 29 at TEB. The procedure is known as the 'stadium visual' and makes for an interesting sight coming down the Turnpike at Exit 14. At times, the circle to 29 can be used in northerly flow, but I usually only see that in the winter.
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:08 pm

Even though this is not an extremely rare occurrence, there are a few airports in the U.S. that have runways running in three different directions, including HOU, MSP, ORD, DCA, and BWI.

While most of the airports that have runways running in two different directions have runways running in the NW-SE direction or runways running in the NE-SW direction, there are also a few airports in the U.S. to have both north-south and east-west runways, including RNO, DEN, LBB, IAH, MCI, CVG, IAD, and EWR.
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:12 pm

Best example in Australia is RWY 09 at MEL. Extremely rare for take off or landing from that runway end.

At SYD 07/25 was mentioned earlier. About 12 years ago it wasn't that uncommon to see it used for landings even in light wind conditions.

In BNE it's quite rare for commercial av. to use 14/32. It can take up to 737/A320 size aircraft. The largest I've personally experienced was a Dash 8-Q200. It's due to close in a couple of years when 01L/19R opens.
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:55 pm

I should also note that I am watching a La Compagnie 757 land on 11 at EWR as we speak...
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:40 pm

Delta757MD88 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
EWR's 11/29 runway was part of the original runway of the airport going back almost 90 years ago but for many years has been usually for smaller regional aircraft, rare for larger aircraft.




Actually 11/29 is used for heavies and everythng landing on days when the winds are strong to the east. Never seen anything take off of 11 or 29 though. 11 is used only for smaller jets, largest being the A320 or B739 on certain days, the approach flies right over my house.



One day maybe 5 years ago in the summer, I was stuck in traffic on the turnpike and saw a bunch of departures off 11. One was a 752, otherwise nothing bigger than a 737/A320. I don't know if any heavies also used 11. I didn't see any, but I was only in that area for about 15 minutes.
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:04 pm

Does anyone know whether the crosswind runway at PHL (17/35) is ever used for takeoffs? I have so far only witnessed landings there...

As far as I know 8/26, the northernmost and shortest of the parallels there, only allows for landings in eastern winds (on 26) and takeoffs in western winds (from 8), so everything else would be "extremely rare"
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Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:10 pm

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Runway 4-22 (the 11000 foot cross runway) at MSP seems to hardly be used anymore since the 747-400 stopped serving the MSP-NRT route. That seemed to be about the only aircraft that ever used the cross runway. Statistically there are days on end where the percentage usage (measured in both departures and arrivals) both 4 and 22 are zero.


I had a landing on 22 last month for the first time ever due to strong SW winds. I was very excited about it but my family wasn't very impressed.

Another one I had recently that was odd was taking off from 20 at SNA while all other traffic I observed that morning was operating on 2. The captain explained it was due to our weight.
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:45 pm

Has anyone ever arrived or departed on 01 or 19 at BDL?
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:52 pm

KTPAFlyer wrote:
Thought I'd go ahead and start two I know well:

TPA: 10/28 (Never landed on this one despite being my home airport, but saw it once)
ISB: 12 (I got very lucky on this one, snagged it for the first time in all my years of flying here a week ago, and the airport is closing next month! I'll try to post a YT video of this soon)


If ISB is closing whats opening in it's place?
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:02 pm

fraspotter wrote:
Bambel wrote:
FRA. Four runways, but only two for takeoffs and landings, one only for takeoffs (and only in one direction) and one only for landings.

Yeah that was the exact same one I was thinking of as well. Runway 18 is only used for takeoffs. From what I see on Google Maps the opposite direction of that runway doesn't even have a number posted at the end. Is this pretty normal for a runway to only have 1 number even if the other direction would almost never be used unless for emergencies? 25R/07L is only used for landings and all the videos I've ever seen of it landings are done from the 25R end. How often has 07L been used for landings? 5% of the time? More? Less? Never?


If 18 has no corresponding number would indicate that T-O or landings from one end are not allowed for safety or noise restrictions.
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:02 pm

What's the deal with BOS runways 14/32? I've been to BOS dozens of times and never seen that runway used. There's also a hotel close to the 14 side of the runway which I assume makes it takeoff-only.
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:09 pm

rbavfan wrote:
KTPAFlyer wrote:
Thought I'd go ahead and start two I know well:

TPA: 10/28 (Never landed on this one despite being my home airport, but saw it once)
ISB: 12 (I got very lucky on this one, snagged it for the first time in all my years of flying here a week ago, and the airport is closing next month! I'll try to post a YT video of this soon)


If ISB is closing whats opening in it's place?


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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:16 pm

727tiger wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:

06/24 at STL is rarely used for commercial ops. I've landed on 24 twice however, but have neither taken off nor landed on 06.


I landed on 06 one time back in 1998 on an evening arrival from TPA. I recall looking out and, at first, being totally unfamiliar withe what I was seeing on our approach until we overflew Northwest Plaza. Only time that ever happened for me.


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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:05 am

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Has anyone ever arrived or departed on 01 or 19 at BDL?

It's closed
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:15 am

I live under the approach path for Runway 33L at YYZ. It's been almost three or four weeks since I've seen any aircraft on approach. Apparently they will only use it if the crosswind exceeds 20kts on the primary runways (5/23, 6L/24R, 6R/24L). However 15L/R and 33L/R are used for heavy takeoffs semi-regularly, I find.
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:36 am

NYPECO wrote:
What's the deal with BOS runways 14/32? I've been to BOS dozens of times and never seen that runway used. There's also a hotel close to the 14 side of the runway which I assume makes it takeoff-only.

Runway 14/32 is 5000 ft long with landings only on 32 (the only approach is an RNAV to 32) and takeoffs only on 14. The hotel was built during the Dukakis administration in the hope that Runway 14/32 wouldn't be built at all in order to decrease the traffic at BOS. Originally that runway was planned to be longer and used in conjunction with Runway 33L/15R as Runway 4R/22L is used with 4L/22R.
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:56 pm

lugie wrote:
Does anyone know whether the crosswind runway at PHL (17/35) is ever used for takeoffs? I have so far only witnessed landings there...

As far as I know 8/26, the northernmost and shortest of the parallels there, only allows for landings in eastern winds (on 26) and takeoffs in western winds (from 8), so everything else would be "extremely rare"


I have departed from 35 at PHL many times. Not sure about 17 departures but have landed on 17 which has an ILS. Also departed from runway 8 but, as you stated, runway 8 landings not allowed...perhaps because it would require an overflight of the terminal complex.
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:14 pm

Going into MSP a couple months back I got the LOC 17 approach because thunderstorms were blocking the approach to 12L/R. That's an odd one.

paullam wrote:
How about the 19's at SFO? I recall a day last year or two years ago where planes landed on RWY 19 L/R there. Must've been quite a spectacular approach considering the hills north of SFO.


Landing 19s at SFO isn't all that uncommon. You will see it a lot with Pacific storms in the winter that bring winds from the east and southeast. They will land 19s and depart 10s. More unusual would be 19 departures, though I've done it a few times with very strong easterly winds or construction on the 10/28s.

Takeoff and landing 19L/R was also the configuration the first couple days after Asiana 214 as the NTSB had to document any debris on the 28s before they could reopen them. Mostly landing 19L and departing 19R.

Landing on the 1s is very rare. I've never had a chance to do it, but it looks like a lot of fun. Kinda like a west coast version of LGAs expressway visual.
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:37 pm

hoons90 wrote:
I live under the approach path for Runway 33L at YYZ. It's been almost three or four weeks since I've seen any aircraft on approach. Apparently they will only use it if the crosswind exceeds 20kts on the primary runways (5/23, 6L/24R, 6R/24L). However 15L/R and 33L/R are used for heavy takeoffs semi-regularly, I find.


Mostly the Aisa bound heavys will use those runways as they need/prefer the length. Working in YOW it's a nightmare when the 33s are in use in YYZ for landing and departing, and it happens far to often for my liking!
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Re: rare runway configurations

Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:42 pm

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Working in YOW it's a nightmare when the 33s are in use in YYZ

YOW = Ottawa? What's the nightmare?
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:45 pm

ltbewr wrote:
EWR's 11/29 runway was part of the original runway of the airport going back almost 90 years ago

Probably built during WW II.
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:47 pm

c933103 wrote:
The "second runway" for Kai Tak that only existed for a brief period of time durinng and after WWII?

HKG didn't have two runways in 1957?
 
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Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:48 am

timz wrote:
dmanonice wrote:
Working in YOW it's a nightmare when the 33s are in use in YYZ

YOW = Ottawa? What's the nightmare?


When YYZ goes onto the 33s the arrival and departure rates slow down dramatically leading to ground delay and ground stop programs to be implemented. particularly during evening times when the European bound flights are operating.

It's also not uncommon to have a few diversions. I remember a few years ago one particularly bad night for YYZ 33 ops where we had 14 flights divert to YOW from various airlines, not fun to deal with.
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:30 am

Alton Bay, NH. At one part of the year, it's used by amphibious aircraft, another part (about 1 1/2 or 2 months in the winter season) it "is the only FAA approved ice runway in the contiguous United States." Sort of a night and day thing.
 
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:27 am

IAD 30 to land, anyone?
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:32 am

dmanonice wrote:
hoons90 wrote:
I live under the approach path for Runway 33L at YYZ. It's been almost three or four weeks since I've seen any aircraft on approach. Apparently they will only use it if the crosswind exceeds 20kts on the primary runways (5/23, 6L/24R, 6R/24L). However 15L/R and 33L/R are used for heavy takeoffs semi-regularly, I find.


Mostly the Aisa bound heavys will use those runways as they need/prefer the length. Working in YOW it's a nightmare when the 33s are in use in YYZ for landing and departing, and it happens far to often for my liking!


Only a day after I post this, they used the 33s today! Was a nice treat to see the EK 380 (late after diverting to YOW), KL 744 and BA 772 fly by so close. It was for only about half an hour, though.
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Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:10 am

timz wrote:
c933103 wrote:
The "second runway" for Kai Tak that only existed for a brief period of time durinng and after WWII?

HKG didn't have two runways in 1957?

You can read more about it at http://www.hkmemory.org/haeco/en/story/part-1/?story=3
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:59 pm

hoons90 wrote:
dmanonice wrote:
hoons90 wrote:
I live under the approach path for Runway 33L at YYZ. It's been almost three or four weeks since I've seen any aircraft on approach. Apparently they will only use it if the crosswind exceeds 20kts on the primary runways (5/23, 6L/24R, 6R/24L). However 15L/R and 33L/R are used for heavy takeoffs semi-regularly, I find.


Mostly the Aisa bound heavys will use those runways as they need/prefer the length. Working in YOW it's a nightmare when the 33s are in use in YYZ for landing and departing, and it happens far to often for my liking!


Only a day after I post this, they used the 33s today! Was a nice treat to see the EK 380 (late after diverting to YOW), KL 744 and BA 772 fly by so close. It was for only about half an hour, though.


Yep it was quite a day last night in YOW! Second visit of the A380 to YOW, I was fortunate enough to have been there for both!
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:53 pm

Bambel wrote:
FRA. Four runways, but only two for takeoffs and landings, one only for takeoffs (and only in one direction) and one only for landings.


CDG does the same thing. Seems normal to me.
 
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Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:56 pm

If you want really odd go back to some of the WWII aux trg airports. We had one just north of MEM shaped like the Star of David and another like a wagon wheel.
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:02 pm

CosmicCruiser wrote:
CDG does the same thing. Seems normal to me.


Question: Is it only a usual operating pattern or is it mandatory? At FRA, two runways have a dedicated purpose and can't be used in another fashion.

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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:57 am

I've never seen a runway layout like BEY's before.
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:20 pm

Here are some that come to mind…

JFK:
*Arrivals: 22L/22R; Departures: 31L at intersection KE…no 22L departures. Happens on occasion, but not very often
*Arrivals: 13L/4R; Departures: 13L. Haven’t seen this for a few years.
*Arrivals: 4R/4L; Departures 31L at KE…no 4L departures. This is exceedingly rare, but I’ve seen it before
*22L departures
*4R departures (I’ve seen an AF A380 depart this runway before)
*31R departures. This is rare, mostly because it would interfere with LGA airspace. It was more common in the past when there were more props flying into JFK and they could make sharper turns towards the East.
*13R departures. Again, this was more common in the past and BA would often request this runway. But because JFK is busier now and has a more constant stream of arrivals, there aren’t enough breaks in between them to pull it off.
*13L arrivals. Happens, but not so much.
*ILS 13R arrivals. Very rare because it messes up the area’s airspace.

LGA:
*Arrivals: 4; Departures 31. Very, very rare, but I’ve seen it happen.
*Arrivals 13; Departures 4. Even rarer.
*Arrivals ILS 13; Departures 13. Only when JFK is using ILS 13L.
*Arrivals 22; Departures 22. Only happens when 13/31 is closed and only during the summers and during the weekends, when traffic is lighter.

EWR:
*Arrivals: 29, Departures 4R or 4L. I believe the FAA has now banned this procedure because of some close calls involving go-arounds
*Arrivals 29; Departures 22R or 22L. Only used with really strong crosswinds.
*29 Departures. I haven’t seen this for a long, long time.
*11 Departures. Goes straight into LGA’s airspace, but I have seen some 737s take off from here. That was many years ago, though.

PHL:
*When using Arrivals: 9L; Departures 9R or Arrivals: 27R; Departures 27L. I’ve never seen 9L or 27R departures during these configurations, even though it’s the longer runway. I believe that’s because of the nature runways’ stagger.
*Arrivals: 27R/26; Departures 27L. I haven’t seen this in a long, long time, and I was told it was just used as a trial. This is odd since PHL was one of the first airports to get PRM, specifically for this configuration.
*26 landings recently. I can’t confirm, but a colleague told me that 26 isn’t used for landings as much because its new runway safety area that would affect 35 ops.

SFO:
*Heavy departures on 1R. They’re usually on the 28s, but people on this forum said it’s actually fairly common.

And just to add on a few comments. At PHL, 35 is used for departures. It probably isn’t used as much anymore because there’s a lot less traffic compared to 10 years ago, which mitigates the necessity of a second departure runway.
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:53 pm

dmanonice wrote:
hoons90 wrote:
I live under the approach path for Runway 33L at YYZ. It's been almost three or four weeks since I've seen any aircraft on approach. Apparently they will only use it if the crosswind exceeds 20kts on the primary runways (5/23, 6L/24R, 6R/24L). However 15L/R and 33L/R are used for heavy takeoffs semi-regularly, I find.


Mostly the Aisa bound heavys will use those runways as they need/prefer the length. Working in YOW it's a nightmare when the 33s are in use in YYZ for landing and departing, and it happens far to often for my liking!


I've seen Asia-bound heavies depart from 33R when 24s/23 is in use. You mentioned that pilots prefer the length of 33R, but isn't 23/5 the same length as 33R? I think it might be slightly longer. Unless they want to use less fuel by heading due North?
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:01 am

The other day ORD was using 22L and 22R for landing with departures using 22L and 28C. Normally 28C is landing only and 22L is only departures. 22's are rarely used for landing. The wind was gusty and out of the southeast at heading 150 which would mean a quarting tailwind on takeoff from 28C which I found odd. I've seen much worse conditions where all 27's and 28's remain in use.

At MDW 13C is rare but gets more use weekly than ever before. The approach path is over my house and I rarely remember seeing it used but it seems to be in regular rotation now.
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:01 pm

Amsterdam rwy 04/22, whats the purpose of it? GA traffic?

BartSimpson wrote:
What about CGN? Are the two smaller runways 14R/32L and 06/24 even in use?


Both are closed for repavement and redevelopment of the former military area down in that corner of the airport. They probably won't reopen for at least a year, and there are rumours that the airport probably doesn't want to reopen 14R/32R, but rather replace it with a new full-length runway in the former military grounds north of 32R/14L.

When they were in use they were not rare though, you just didn't see them in use in daytime because the airport isn't very big with regards to passenger flights. It was all the cargo flights at night, especially the turboprop feeders that used them.

Bambel wrote:
CosmicCruiser wrote:
CDG does the same thing. Seems normal to me.


Question: Is it only a usual operating pattern or is it mandatory? At FRA, two runways have a dedicated purpose and can't be used in another fashion.

b.


It is standard procedure at CDG, they do it to maximize capacity. It is theoretically still possible to land on the inner runways, they just never (or rarely) do it because it is too busy. They do have an ILS for each of the inner runways.
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:26 pm

Bambel wrote:
CosmicCruiser wrote:
CDG does the same thing. Seems normal to me.


Question: Is it only a usual operating pattern or is it mandatory? At FRA, two runways have a dedicated purpose and can't be used in another fashion.

b.

Fine line I'd say. Every time I flew into CDG it was the same, eg. 09L/27R landing; 09R/27L T/O. Though I had to request 27L for landing once because our stop dist was too long for 27R and they allowed the landing. Once after that I asked for 27L for landing because it was close and it was denied. you tell me
 
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:14 am

LeaderOne wrote:
dmanonice wrote:
hoons90 wrote:
I live under the approach path for Runway 33L at YYZ. It's been almost three or four weeks since I've seen any aircraft on approach. Apparently they will only use it if the crosswind exceeds 20kts on the primary runways (5/23, 6L/24R, 6R/24L). However 15L/R and 33L/R are used for heavy takeoffs semi-regularly, I find.


Mostly the Aisa bound heavys will use those runways as they need/prefer the length. Working in YOW it's a nightmare when the 33s are in use in YYZ for landing and departing, and it happens far to often for my liking!


I've seen Asia-bound heavies depart from 33R when 24s/23 is in use. You mentioned that pilots prefer the length of 33R, but isn't 23/5 the same length as 33R? I think it might be slightly longer. Unless they want to use less fuel by heading due North?


I think it's a mix of both, 33R is longer than the 24s but you are correct that it's a moot point when 23/5 is available.
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Re: Extremely rare runway configurations

Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:16 pm

osupoke07 wrote:
Rare has to be landing on DFW 13L or 31L. Those are the crosswind runways, but those approach paths take you across 4 other active runways.

The current google images show tire marks on 31L and I've previously seen google imagery of touchdown marks on 13L before, but it had to have been an after hours GA flight, not a commercial or cargo carrier.


I have landed on 31L and have seen ops where DFW is landing only the 31s. It's for extreme crosswinds, and because there is no instrument approach for 31L, approach will sequence traffic for ILS 31R and ILS 36L with a circle to land 31L.

I've taken off from 13L but haven't seen any landings on 13L.

dfwjim1 wrote:
At DFW, I have never seen landings on 13L and very few takeoffs on 31R.


I think if I ever got a taxi instruction for takeoff to taxi runway 31R, K, EJ, R, cross 35L and 35R. I'd have to go unable, we need to go back to the gate for more fuel.

I like it when IAH goes to nighttime ops - landings on 8R and 27 - to avoid the long taxi after landing 27, we'd request landing 26L - "OK - sure, opposite direction landing traffic on 10 mile final 8R, keep your speed up, without delay cleared to land 26L" sure enough looking down the centerline, we see the landing lights of the other guy cleared to land on 8R
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