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What would you change in an airliner?

Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:26 pm

If you are given the opportunity to change some specifications in any airliner you choose, what would you guys choose and change?
 
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:54 pm

I would covert all the Airbus back to control wheels........................I just kid:)
 
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:19 pm

Nothing. But I would ban all aircraft that don't look like Viscount Vanguards.

Well, today all airliners follow the same design principles, due to required efficiency: A tube with wings.

Realistically: Bigger windows. Comfy seats that are still aligned with the windows.


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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:04 am

Triple the thrust of every airliner out there. I want sustained 15000 ft/min climb's after takeoff.
 
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:05 am

I second bigger windows. Seems like we're already heading that way though, as stronger composite materials are taking over aluminum airframes. Also, I wouldn't mind the widening of seats at the cost of a little less isle width.

Not really a change to particular aircraft, but I would like to see the return of tri jets.
 
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:39 am

More quads!
 
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:04 pm

Using that less flammable fuel that was tested years ago. Also, maybe a little less fly by wire haha.
 
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:10 pm

Larger overhead bins so no hand luggage needs to put in the hold anymore. The overhead bins should be large enough to contain a hand luggage suitcase for every seat. If needed, you make seperate hand luggage compartments with seat assignment. If you're seated in that seat, that's where you put your hand luggage.
 
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:53 am

PatrickZ80 wrote:
Larger overhead bins so no hand luggage needs to put in the hold anymore. The overhead bins should be large enough to contain a hand luggage suitcase for every seat. If needed, you make seperate hand luggage compartments with seat assignment. If you're seated in that seat, that's where you put your hand luggage.


Then you would need fuselages the size of B747's (you'll be amazed at all the wasted space in a B747), which will increase costs. I see Airbus selected an idea from a competition they run whereby the floor beneath your feet will have a storage locker and the floor panel will lift up, allowing you to store stuff in it.
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:55 am

-Separate cabin air completely from the engine bleed system.

-Monitor cabin air quality all the time.

-Add artificial feel to electronic yokes and sticks to know what the other guy does.

-Standardize cockpits between manufacturers.

-Add passenger front camera views (maybe by WLAN) all the time. I would like my nav display and pfd copy as well all the time.
 
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:36 pm

Supersonic velocities...
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:00 pm

More room per seat. Oh, and an outdoor viewing / smoking/ platform, can recall seeing one on a huge plane in an English murder mystery movie from the 1930s, the hero had to break into the cockpit near the end of the movie.
 
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:06 am

A380s on every route that have small pools/ gyms for pax to work out in to sleep better or combat jet lag.

Back to reality, A380-like cameras on every plane to see the outside (helps with entertainment and possibly clausterphobia), CH9 service on every plane, and at least on UA free in-flight map function and some movies on the narrowbody PTVs. Lastly, free unlimited high-speed wifi on all planes, so fast you can stream movies seamlessly.
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:11 pm

1. Something like PMUA's Channel 9 (Cockpit talk).
2. Front AND rear cameras
3. Free WiFi with few restrictions (no porn, no hacking)
4. A pen in the back of the plane, or the hold, where all the babies go
5. A couple of jail cells where rowdy alcoholics and/or 7-year-olds get thrown
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:54 pm

1. No underseat restriction. (no ife boxes, no random intrusions, keep it as open as possible.)
2. Cameras.
3. make the overhead bins considerably smaller (with corresponding improvements in checked bag delivery). I'm really tired of watching people play overhead tetris and delaying takeoff just because they don't want to pay bag fees or wait for a bag.
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:23 am

Make the QNH knobs on the 330 and 350 toggle standard/local in the same direction. I mean seriously, Airbus...

Change some of the input logic in the 350 FM. Yes, I'm looking at you, flight plan airways input cursor jump order...

Force national authorities to implement datalink in remote areas so we can finally get rid of HF.

Why does a problem with the 330 gear shortening mechanism result in the ECAM message "lengthening fault"? That's not confusing...
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:58 am

Starlionblue wrote:
Make the QNH knobs on the 330 and 350 toggle standard/local in the same direction. I mean seriously, Airbus

What, is one pull for standard and the other one push??
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:05 am

TOGA10 wrote:
Starlionblue wrote:
Make the QNH knobs on the 330 and 350 toggle standard/local in the same direction. I mean seriously, Airbus

What, is one pull for standard and the other one push??


Yep! On the 350 it sorta follows the FCU/MCP logic of "push to give control to the plane" and "pull to take", as in push gives standard and pull gives local. On the 330/340 it is backwards.
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:15 am

Starlionblue wrote:
TOGA10 wrote:
Starlionblue wrote:
Make the QNH knobs on the 330 and 350 toggle standard/local in the same direction. I mean seriously, Airbus

What, is one pull for standard and the other one push??


Yep! On the 350 it follows the FCU/MCP logic of "push to give control to the plane" and "pull to take", as in push gives standard and pull gives local. On the 330/340 it is backwards.

The 320 follows the 330 'logic'. Airbus must've decided that it didn't make sense that way and changed it when designing the 350. Wonder what the 380 has installed. Any insiders care to comment?
And to the OP, I would change the cockpit/cabin temperature setting knob. Instead of colder/warmer I would prefer an actual temperature, like you have in your car with climate control.
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:20 am

TOGA10 wrote:
Starlionblue wrote:
TOGA10 wrote:
What, is one pull for standard and the other one push??


Yep! On the 350 it follows the FCU/MCP logic of "push to give control to the plane" and "pull to take", as in push gives standard and pull gives local. On the 330/340 it is backwards.

The 320 follows the 330 'logic'. Airbus must've decided that it didn't make sense that way and changed it when designing the 350. Wonder what the 380 has installed. Any insiders care to comment?
And to the OP, I would change the cockpit/cabin temperature setting knob. Instead of colder/warmer I would prefer an actual temperature, like you have in your car with climate control.


Agreed. No reason not to write the numbers. If you dig in the 330 FCOM the gradations do correspond to actual temperatures. Max 18, min 30 degrees and every notch is 2 degrees.
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:25 pm

All airliners should have cabin temperature control in the cabin, or even a placebo switch that makes FAs think they have temperature control.

A special DC-9/MD-80/MD-90/717 comment. How hard was it to design a flight deck window that doesn't leak rain and deicing fluid when on the ground? Nowhere in the 40 year evolution of that series could they fix the leaky windows?
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:48 am

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A special DC-9/MD-80/MD-90/717 comment. How hard was it to design a flight deck window that doesn't leak rain and deicing fluid when on the ground? Nowhere in the 40 year evolution of that series could they fix the leaky windows?


On exotic expensive cars, such things are called "quirks", which add "charm" to owning one. The leaky windows adds charm to the DC9 like the loud cockpit is part of the charm of the 737.
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:25 pm

I don't know many DC-9 or 737 drivers that would describe either as having a lot of charm. ;)

Quirky is a word I hear a lot for the DC-9 though. The suitcase handles, big trim knobs, mag compass that you need mirrors to see, split flap/slat handle, etc..,
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:12 am

Starlionblue wrote:
TOGA10 wrote:
Starlionblue wrote:

Yep! On the 350 it follows the FCU/MCP logic of "push to give control to the plane" and "pull to take", as in push gives standard and pull gives local. On the 330/340 it is backwards.

The 320 follows the 330 'logic'. Airbus must've decided that it didn't make sense that way and changed it when designing the 350. Wonder what the 380 has installed. Any insiders care to comment?
And to the OP, I would change the cockpit/cabin temperature setting knob. Instead of colder/warmer I would prefer an actual temperature, like you have in your car with climate control.


Agreed. No reason not to write the numbers. If you dig in the 330 FCOM the gradations do correspond to actual temperatures. Max 18, min 30 degrees and every notch is 2 degrees.

On a sidenote. Please tell me that putting a new roll of paper in the printer is easier in the 350 than it is in the 320!
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:03 pm

I would want high wing aircraft so that all windiw seats have a nice unobstructed view.
 
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:31 am

TOGA10 wrote:
Starlionblue wrote:
TOGA10 wrote:
The 320 follows the 330 'logic'. Airbus must've decided that it didn't make sense that way and changed it when designing the 350. Wonder what the 380 has installed. Any insiders care to comment?
And to the OP, I would change the cockpit/cabin temperature setting knob. Instead of colder/warmer I would prefer an actual temperature, like you have in your car with climate control.


Agreed. No reason not to write the numbers. If you dig in the 330 FCOM the gradations do correspond to actual temperatures. Max 18, min 30 degrees and every notch is 2 degrees.

On a sidenote. Please tell me that putting a new roll of paper in the printer is easier in the 350 than it is in the 320!


:D A yes, changing the paper. A rite of passage for new 330 pilots. Weirdly, I haven't actually changed the roll on the 350 yet, but it does look a bit simpler.

All the printouts use at least twice as much paper though, due to added headers, footers, and an inexplicable amount of paper feeding out after the printout itself. Thankfully you can get away with looking at weather on the EFB screens and avoid printing that stuff altogether.
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:24 am

A viewing platform in the wing root, like on the Junkers G 38:

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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:08 pm

I would make it so all the toilet seats would stay up when you lift them on SWA 737's
 
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:59 pm

Starlionblue wrote:
Make the QNH knobs on the 330 and 350 toggle standard/local in the same direction. I mean seriously, Airbus...

Change some of the input logic in the 350 FM. Yes, I'm looking at you, flight plan airways input cursor jump order...

Force national authorities to implement datalink in remote areas so we can finally get rid of HF.

Why does a problem with the 330 gear shortening mechanism result in the ECAM message "lengthening fault"? That's not confusing...


I have wondered this myself after the Air France 447 crash, and solar storms causing issues with HF..
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Mon Aug 07, 2017 2:39 pm

Starlionblue wrote:
Force national authorities to implement datalink in remote areas so we can finally get rid of HF.


And force national authorities to implement better ATC standards (Italy, I'm thinking of you here), and implement a common standard for the minimum quality of radio equipment. Way too many countries still use equipment that sounds like this:

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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:53 am

VSMUT wrote:
Starlionblue wrote:
Force national authorities to implement datalink in remote areas so we can finally get rid of HF.


And force national authorities to implement better ATC standards (Italy, I'm thinking of you here), and implement a common standard for the minimum quality of radio equipment. Way too many countries still use equipment that sounds like this:

Image


Word. It's a pain.

Mainland China suffers from tinny quality in some areas, but nowhere near as bad as Myanmar or India...
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:45 pm

Starlionblue wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
Starlionblue wrote:
Force national authorities to implement datalink in remote areas so we can finally get rid of HF.


And force national authorities to implement better ATC standards (Italy, I'm thinking of you here), and implement a common standard for the minimum quality of radio equipment. Way too many countries still use equipment that sounds like this:

Image


Word. It's a pain.

Mainland China suffers from tinny quality in some areas, but nowhere near as bad as Myanmar or India...


I've found that it is often countries that rely on Russian aid that seem to suffer from tinny equipment. Probably hand-me-downs from the USSR. It wouldn't surprise me if some of that tinny equipment stemmed all the way from WWII or 1950s.
 
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Re: What would you change in an airliner?

Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:22 am

VSMUT wrote:
Starlionblue wrote:
VSMUT wrote:

And force national authorities to implement better ATC standards (Italy, I'm thinking of you here), and implement a common standard for the minimum quality of radio equipment. Way too many countries still use equipment that sounds like this:

Image


Word. It's a pain.

Mainland China suffers from tinny quality in some areas, but nowhere near as bad as Myanmar or India...


I've found that it is often countries that rely on Russian aid that seem to suffer from tinny equipment. Probably hand-me-downs from the USSR. It wouldn't surprise me if some of that tinny equipment stemmed all the way from WWII or 1950s.


That may be true. Ironically though, Russian ATC is pretty good.
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