rbretas
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Buying new aircraft parts from China

Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:53 am

I understand Alibaba works not as a regular e-commerce site, but as a platform for Chinese factories to connect to international high volume customers. That being said, I noticed there are plenty of aircraft tires announced there, from Russian military jets to 747 tires. I also found seats, containers, compressor and turbine blades, centrifugal compressors, and bearings (for aircraft use, not industrial gas turbines). Some of the pages do say the parts have CAAC (Civil Aviation Administration of China) certificates while others say the parts are "FAA compliant".

So, my questions are: are those new players in the market or just OEM makers skipping the middleman? Who is responsible for certification and quality control, the factories or the buyer/middleman? Can and do western (or even Chinese) companies acquire parts from those factories, is it common? Are the rules different for Airlines and private buyers?
 
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Re: Buying new aircraft parts from China

Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:04 am

rbretas wrote:
Some of the pages do say the parts have CAAC (Civil Aviation Administration of China) certificates while others say the parts are "FAA compliant".

So, my questions are: are those new players in the market or just OEM makers skipping the middleman? Who is responsible for certification and quality control, the factories or the buyer/middleman? Can and do western (or even Chinese) companies acquire parts from those factories, is it common? Are the rules different for Airlines and private buyers?


As far as I am aware the FAA does not recognize CAAC certificates alone, the parts need an 8130 to be used. Also factor in that aircraft parts are generally only manufactured by one company that is approved by the aircraft manufacturer and for another company to make them the must have a Parts Manufacturing Approval or PMA. To get a PMA the company must prove to the FAA that the part they intend to make meets the original part's spec. So manufacturers cannot just start making parts and selling them they must get approval and prove they meet the original design.

Part of the problem with buying from the internet is lack of traceability, 8130 forms have been forged/ falsified before, so buying from someone you may never be able to find again aside from email could cause issues. This could be especially problematic with parts from a country that has been known to produce bootleg copies many things. That is part of the reason for the high cost of aircraft parts the manufacturer proves the part is good and the paper trail is kept alive even after it is installed on an aircraft. That is how if the part maker needs to recall a certain serial number parts they are able to trace down to the plane it is installed on.
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