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Should Boeing develop a new 767 variant to compete with the A330 NEO?

Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:36 pm

Airbus is coming out with the A330 NEO in a few years. The 767 is likely on its way out. In my opinion, Boeing should step it up a notch. What if Boeing made another variant like a 767 500 with new engines and longer fuselage. Thoughts?
 
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Re: Should Boeing develop a new 767 variant to compete with the A330 NEO?

Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:38 pm

They did. It's a good old fashioned 2-prong front with the 777 and 787. The final nail in the coffin for the A330 and 767 passenger variants will be the MoM.
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Re: Should Boeing develop a new 767 variant to compete with the A330 NEO?

Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:53 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
They did. It's a good old fashioned 2-prong front with the 777 and 787. The final nail in the coffin for the A330 and 767 passenger variants will be the MoM.


I know, but like a plane for transcontinental flights. Airbus has the A340 and A350, which is basically the 777 and the 787. But I get where you're coming from. What does the acronym MoM mean?
 
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Re: Should Boeing develop a new 767 variant to compete with the A330 NEO?

Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:03 pm

Middle of the Market
 
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Re: Should Boeing develop a new 767 variant to compete with the A330 NEO?

Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:10 pm

BravoOne wrote:
Middle of the Market


Exactly. That's what I meant. Like the 757.
 
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Re: Should Boeing develop a new 767 variant to compete with the A330 NEO?

Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:37 am

UAL747422 wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
They did. It's a good old fashioned 2-prong front with the 777 and 787. The final nail in the coffin for the A330 and 767 passenger variants will be the MoM.


I know, but like a plane for transcontinental flights. Airbus has the A340 and A350, which is basically the 777 and the 787. But I get where you're coming from. What does the acronym MoM mean?


They're not quite equivalent. The A350 is sized between the 787 and 777. The A340--300 was about an A350-900. The A340-600 is more like a 777-300.

The 350 is replacing both 330ceo and 340. The 330 will live on with the neo, but the 340 is dead as the 350 can do everything it could but burn less and cost less in maintenance.
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Re: Should Boeing develop a new 767 variant to compete with the A330 NEO?

Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:34 am

Hmm... good point there
 
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Re: Should Boeing develop a new 767 variant to compete with the A330 NEO?

Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:01 am

The 350 has a competitor, the 787. The 777 has the 340, and the 767 has the 330. Most likely, if the 330 neo is successful, it will replace the 767.
 
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Re: Should Boeing develop a new 767 variant to compete with the A330 NEO?

Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:01 am

UAL747422 wrote:
The 350 has a competitor, the 787. The 777 has the 340, and the 767 has the 330. Most likely, if the 330 neo is successful, it will replace the 767.


The 350 and 787 certainly compete, but the 350 is a significantly larger aircraft, just like the 330 is significantly larger than the 767. The 330 replaced the 767 at least a decade ago.

The 350-1000 is the same capacity and weight as the 777-300 (non-ER). So I'd say the 350 between the upper end of the 787 line and the lower end of the 777 line.

The 340 as a product is dead. It has passed on. It is no more. It has expired and gone to meets its maker. It is a stiff. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. It's metabolic processes are now history. It's off the twig. It's kicked the bucket. It's shuffled off this mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible. It is an ex aircraft.

Unless Airbus offers some sort of magical deal on a new 340, the only reasonable business decision is to buy the 350 instead. The 350 is more capable in every way.
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:27 am

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The 340 as a product is dead. It has passed on. It is no more. It has expired and gone to meets its maker. It is a stiff. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. It's metabolic processes are now history. It's off the twig. It's kicked the bucket. It's shuffled off this mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible. It is an ex aircraft.
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Re: Should Boeing develop a new 767 variant to compete with the A330 NEO?

Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:29 am

The A330 competes with the 787, not the 767. The latter is a smaller aircraft.
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Re: Should Boeing develop a new 767 variant to compete with the A330 NEO?

Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:22 am

One should only look at planes in production

A330 - (767) - 787
A350 - 787-1000 - 777W - barely 777-9

A340 is no more as is the 767 in reality.
 
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Re: Should Boeing develop a new 767 variant to compete with the A330 NEO?

Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:57 pm

True- it seems that all of the planes that Airbus makes (except the 340) are superior to their Boeing competitors.
 
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Re: Should Boeing develop a new 767 variant to compete with the A330 NEO?

Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:17 pm

UAL747422 wrote:
True- it seems that all of the planes that Airbus makes (except the 340) are superior to their Boeing competitors.


True. Also False. It all depends.
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Re: Should Boeing develop a new 767 variant to compete with the A330 NEO?

Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:03 pm

UAL747422 wrote:
True- it seems that all of the planes that Airbus makes (except the 340) are superior to their Boeing competitors.

They both have their markets.

The 777-300ER and 777-200LR killed the Airbus A340-600 and A340-500, respectively

The 787-8 and 787-9 can fly mission distances that the A330 simply cannot do and are smaller and lighter than the A350.

The A330-300 is more efficient on TATL flights than the 777-200ER

The A350-900 and A350-1000 is more efficient than the 777-200LR/300ER, at the expense of less cargo.

There's no simple "best plane" out there. They all have their advantages and disadvantages.
 
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Re: Should Boeing develop a new 767 variant to compete with the A330 NEO?

Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:07 pm

The 767 is an inherently inefficient design for today's market place... you're adding tons of structure for just 1 additional row of seats over an 739/A321, but still not enough belly to carry LD3s in tandem.

Wouldn't cut it.


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Airbus has the A340

The A340 hasn't been in production for 6yrs, and prior to that, didn't sell worth a damn. It's as dead as the Dodo.
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