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FAA Proposes Flight Path Changes To/From Denver Area Airports

Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:20 am

If they do go ahead with the changes, I hope they don't change very much because I've had some really incredible times spotting. You get that Rockies sunset and the planes flying over... that's tough to beat...

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/lo ... -thousands

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"The Federal Aviation Administration is proposing changes that will affect many people who live around the eight airports in the Denver area.
In one of the public workshops held Wednesday evening by the FAA to explain the possible changes, officials told residents the department wants to modify 30 of the current flight paths in the Denver area and add two more. Mark Phipps, with FAA's southern region, told Denver7 that of those 30 flight paths, 15-17 would actually move laterally."
 
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Re: FAA Proposes Flight Path Changes To/From Denver Area Airports

Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:24 am

Its all part of the ongoing national airspace redesign and FAA working through one metro area after another.
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Re: FAA Proposes Flight Path Changes To/From Denver Area Airports

Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:01 am

From 9 News:
Blue is current, orange is proposed.
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Re: FAA Proposes Flight Path Changes To/From Denver Area Airports

Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:24 am

LAXintl wrote:
Its all part of the ongoing national airspace redesign and FAA working through one metro area after another.


I believe they tweaked this area back in '07 or so.
 
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Re: FAA Proposes Flight Path Changes To/From Denver Area Airports

Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:00 am

jetmatt777 wrote:
From 9 News:
Blue is current, orange is proposed.
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Nothing really different for the city, from what I can tell. Good news.
 
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Re: FAA Proposes Flight Path Changes To/From Denver Area Airports

Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:45 am

nitepilot79 wrote:
I believe they tweaked this area back in '07 or so.

They may have, but these changes would be about accomplishing various milestones in NextGen. Every major airport is receiving an overhaul to increase efficiency and switch to RNAV procedures. SIDs and STARs won't really have a place at major airports when NextGen is fully implemented.
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Re: FAA Proposes Flight Path Changes To/From Denver Area Airports

Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:02 pm

Now if only Denver ATC would leave you alone and let you fly climb and descend via clearances without interference so as not to require a lot of extra work and potential for deviations, I would be all for any change to simple horizontal tracks.
 
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Re: FAA Proposes Flight Path Changes To/From Denver Area Airports

Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:42 am

Are any changes proposed to the current Denver Class Bravo Airspace dimensions? Are the flight paths to KAPA and KBJC also proposed to be modified?
 
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Re: FAA Proposes Flight Path Changes To/From Denver Area Airports

Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:22 am

atcsundevil wrote:
nitepilot79 wrote:
I believe they tweaked this area back in '07 or so.

They may have, but these changes would be about accomplishing various milestones in NextGen. Every major airport is receiving an overhaul to increase efficiency and switch to RNAV procedures. SIDs and STARs won't really have a place at major airports when NextGen is fully implemented.


Why won't there be SIDs and STARs? These still exist with RNAV.
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Re: FAA Proposes Flight Path Changes To/From Denver Area Airports

Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:31 am

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Why won't there be SIDs and STARs? These still exist with RNAV.

They'll still be published, but air carriers generally only file for the RNAV routes if available, and they're usually the ATC preferred routings. They are far more efficient in multiple facets, primarily fuel savings, but not least of which it allows decreased controller workload, less frequency congestion, and more direct routes. Right now, pretty much all commercial aircraft are equipped to fly RNAV routes, so if they're published and actively being utilized, that's what they're filing for. SIDs/STARs will only be around for aircraft that either aren't GNSS equipped (/G, /L, /S, /V) or for some reason can't comply with an RNAV published route, but eventually they'll be slowly phased out.
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Re: FAA Proposes Flight Path Changes To/From Denver Area Airports

Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:49 am

It's still a SID or a STAR with RNAV. The difference is that an RNAV SID or STAR does is not based on ground based navigation aids and the aircraft and pilots must be compliant with the RNAV RNP requirements to use it.

What will disappear are non-RNAV procedures.
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