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anstar wrote:Required crew rest is used to extend crews working hours. So even with the extended range the narrow body long haul flights still wouldnt get close to requiring bunks for crew. Flight crew will still only be 2, so no rest facilities required and presumably cabin crew will utilise galley jump seats as they do now.
keesje wrote:How do crew rest on TATL 757 flights, What will be on A321LR's ?
RetiredWeasel wrote:anstar wrote:Required crew rest is used to extend crews working hours. So even with the extended range the narrow body long haul flights still wouldnt get close to requiring bunks for crew. Flight crew will still only be 2, so no rest facilities required and presumably cabin crew will utilise galley jump seats as they do now.
The thread starter clearly said 'narrow body flights over 8 hours'. I don't know if that will ever happen, but in that case, the cockpit will obviously need a relief pilot. Whether it's in a bunk or an isolated business/first class seat would depend on the union agreements.
727200 wrote:NB doing 8-9 hour trips? How many of those are out there? That would be cruel to the passengers in regular economy seats; come to think it, anyone on a NB.
727200 wrote:NB doing 8-9 hour trips? How many of those are out there? That would be cruel to the passengers in regular economy seats; come to think it, anyone on a NB.
zeke wrote:A lot of new generation business jets have very long range capabilities, exceeding many widebody aircraft that have crew rests.
727200 wrote:NB doing 8-9 hour trips? How many of those are out there? That would be cruel to the passengers in regular economy seats; come to think it, anyone on a NB.
DLHAM wrote:When United still flew 757s to Hamburg, on the westbound flight, which often took more than 9 hrs in air (8:40h scheduled) they used to block the DEF seats in the last row of coach for the cabin crew. They used a curtain to separate it a bit.
In Business they also blocked one seat (two if available) for the cockpit crew. Eastbound they sold all seats as the flight only took 7:45 or even less. Now on the 767 I think there is also one Business Seat blocked and 4 coach seats at the very front of the cabin.
The 3 class 767 even has these 4 Economy seats within the Business cabin.
rbavfan wrote:Business jet crews are not under the same regulations as commercial flight crews.
rbavfan wrote:727200 wrote:NB doing 8-9 hour trips? How many of those are out there? That would be cruel to the passengers in regular economy seats; come to think it, anyone on a NB.
Give me a break. We flew on NB jets worldwide for years. The seats are the same & the pitch is the same on a 777 with United or a 757 with United. So why would coach be cruel to passengers in regular Economy only on the NB aircraft?
rbavfan wrote:Give me a break. We flew on NB jets worldwide for years. The seats are the same & the pitch is the same on a 777 with United or a 757 with United. So why would coach be cruel to passengers in regular Economy only on the NB aircraft?
727200 wrote:NB doing 8-9 hour trips? How many of those are out there? That would be cruel to the passengers in regular economy seats; come to think it, anyone on a NB.
zeke wrote:A lot of new generation business jets have very long range capabilities, exceeding many widebody aircraft that have crew rests.
keesje wrote:Could the third / instruction seat in the cockpit be replaced by a seat comfortable enough (with earplug/ eye blankets) to do a nap?
The cockpit should be reshuffled / enlarged a bit behind the pilot seats. probably make the jumpseat smartly moveable.. Add a curtain..
lat41 wrote:I would be interested to know how rest was handled in the Gen. 1 narrow body planes like the VC-10, 707-320 or the mighty DC-8 which I beleive had the longest lets of them all back in the day.
Also, per post 36, is there really a "gum Island" or should we presume Guam in the Pacific?
BravoOne wrote:
A lot of the 767-300ER have what Boeing calls the Xtra Comfort jumpseat. Very hard to get any rest and remain on the flight deck.
rbavfan wrote:zeke wrote:A lot of new generation business jets have very long range capabilities, exceeding many widebody aircraft that have crew rests.
Business jet crews are not under the same regulations as commercial flight crews.
keesje wrote:The future probably holds more 8+ hrs narrow body flights, requiring serious rest facilities for cockpit and cabin crews. [...]
What will be on A321LR's ?
lat41 wrote:I would be interested to know how rest was handled in the Gen. 1 narrow body planes like the VC-10, 707-320 or the mighty DC-8 which I beleive had the longest lets of them all back in the day.
Also, per post 36, is there really a "gum Island" or should we presume Guam in the Pacific?
keesje wrote:Could the third / instruction seat in the cockpit be replaced by a seat comfortable enough (with earplug/ eye blankets) to do a nap?
The cockpit should be reshuffled / enlarged a bit behind the pilot seats. probably make the jumpseat smartly moveable.. Add a curtain..