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Single digit flight numbers question

Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:51 pm

I was just taking a look at flights between JFK and FLL on FlightAware and noticed that there are two flights between these airports that have single digit flight numbers, Delta #2 and Jet Blue #1. Delta's flight #2 (a lowly 717) connects off of Delta's flight #2 from LHR to JFK while Jet Blue's flight #1 is on a A321 and was one of Jet Blue's first two routes out of JFK. In the world of airline management do flights with single digit flight numbers carry a greater significance and warrant more attention than flights that carry two, three and four digits? Obviously the vast majority of the traveling public could care less about flight numbers...

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Re: Single digit flight numbers question

Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:44 am

Single digit flight numbers like 1 and 2 are often used for flights the airline considers the most "prestigious". It doesn't mean those flights warrant any more attention, whatever you mean by that.

For example AA1 has been an AA nonstop JFK/IDL-LAX since DC-7 nonstop service started on that route in 1953. Even the departure time hasn't changed much in the 60+ years since. Prior to the DC-7 nonstops, AA1 had been a multi-stop LGA-LAX flight for quite a few years.

Interestingly, when AA1 (then a 707) crashed just after takeoff from IDL in March 1962, killing all 95 aboard, AA didn't change the flight number, which airlines often do after a fatal crash.
 
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Re: Single digit flight numbers question

Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:28 am

Yes, single digit flight numbers are given to those route(s) which that airline considers a most prestigeous.
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Re: Single digit flight numbers question

Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:24 pm

Lufthansa flights 1-9 (and further up into the 30s) are all between FRA and HAM, with FRA to BRE following in the 40s. Not exactly the most prestigeous routes in my opinion.

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Re: Single digit flight numbers question

Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:14 pm

The same thing happens with Delta. DL tends to put possible connections onto the same flight number (like how DL159 is both BOS-DTW and DTW-ICN). The 'most prestigious' flights DL has are from JFK-LHR, and as a result, flight numbers are from 401 upwards from JFK and are 1 and onwards leaving LHR.

Trust me, this flight is not the most prestigious route in the DL system -- it only connects with one, and as a result shares the same flight number.
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Re: Single digit flight numbers question

Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:12 am

Hawaiian Airlines single digit flights represent the first routes they established between Hawaii and the mainland. For instance HA1 - LAX to HNL and HA2 - HNL-LAX. And so on.
 
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Re: Single digit flight numbers question

Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:16 am

JL's SFO service is #1 and #2.
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Re: Single digit flight numbers question

Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:48 am

LY's single-digit flights are for more "flagship" runs
1/2 and 7/8 for TLV-JFK, 5/6 for TLV-LAX, etc
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Re: Single digit flight numbers question

Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:00 pm

SAS SK1/2 are Swedish domestic flights, LLA-ARN and back. Hardly their most prestigious route.
 
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Re: Single digit flight numbers question

Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:12 pm

AF Concorde flight CDG-JFK was 001 not 1. Any reason? Most flight numbers are 3 or 4 digits nowadays so technically flight 1 is 0001.
 
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Re: Single digit flight numbers question

Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:38 pm

ro1960 wrote:
AF Concorde flight CDG-JFK was 001 not 1. Any reason? Most flight numbers are 3 or 4 digits nowadays so technically flight 1 is 0001.

Actually according to most reservation systems and ATC that flight is 1 not 001. AF might be different but there are no leading numbers at most airlines.
 
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Re: Single digit flight numbers question

Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:22 pm

qcpilotxf wrote:
ro1960 wrote:
AF Concorde flight CDG-JFK was 001 not 1. Any reason? Most flight numbers are 3 or 4 digits nowadays so technically flight 1 is 0001.

Actually according to most reservation systems and ATC that flight is 1 not 001. AF might be different but there are no leading numbers at most airlines.


AF has been using leading zeros on their flight numbers since the late 40s. You can see here flight 009 ORY-LGA or 065 ORY-BUE:

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/af/af48s/af48s-03.jpg

It still does today.
 
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Re: Single digit flight numbers question

Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:22 am

ro1960 wrote:
qcpilotxf wrote:
ro1960 wrote:
AF Concorde flight CDG-JFK was 001 not 1. Any reason? Most flight numbers are 3 or 4 digits nowadays so technically flight 1 is 0001.

Actually according to most reservation systems and ATC that flight is 1 not 001. AF might be different but there are no leading numbers at most airlines.


AF has been using leading zeros on their flight numbers since the late 40s. You can see here flight 009 ORY-LGA or 065 ORY-BUE:

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/af/af48s/af48s-03.jpg

It still does today.


The leading zeros are purely stylistic and for AF only. ATC doesn't recognize them.

http://flightaware.com/live/findflight? ... ation=KJFK
 
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Re: Single digit flight numbers question

Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:31 am

BA007 is now LHR to HND.

But unless I dreamt this... I'm pretty sure that BA used to have a greater sense of humor and that they sent 007 to Moscow every day.
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Re: Single digit flight numbers question

Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:27 am

rambleriver wrote:
ro1960 wrote:
qcpilotxf wrote:
Actually according to most reservation systems and ATC that flight is 1 not 001. AF might be different but there are no leading numbers at most airlines.


AF has been using leading zeros on their flight numbers since the late 40s. You can see here flight 009 ORY-LGA or 065 ORY-BUE:

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/af/af48s/af48s-03.jpg

It still does today.


The leading zeros are purely stylistic and for AF only. ATC doesn't recognize them.

http://flightaware.com/live/findflight? ... ation=KJFK


In an ATC callsign every digit has a significance....and often callsigns can differ from the actual flight number seen by passengers. For example, "AFR1" and "AFR001" can count as different callsigns.
 
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Re: Single digit flight numbers question

Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:02 pm

I can't say for sure but I always assumed that Fedex 1/ 2, STN-MEM-STN, was so numbered because it was the first European leg we flew. Originally though it was MEM-STN-BRU-STN-MEM where now it's one leg MEM-STN-MEM. Of course now it is a prestigious flight.
 
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Re: Single digit flight numbers question

Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:41 am

novarupta wrote:
rambleriver wrote:
ro1960 wrote:

AF has been using leading zeros on their flight numbers since the late 40s. You can see here flight 009 ORY-LGA or 065 ORY-BUE:

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/af/af48s/af48s-03.jpg

It still does today.


The leading zeros are purely stylistic and for AF only. ATC doesn't recognize them.

http://flightaware.com/live/findflight? ... ation=KJFK


In an ATC callsign every digit has a significance....and often callsigns can differ from the actual flight number seen by passengers. For example, "AFR1" and "AFR001" can count as different callsigns.


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