The seat was not that comfy in Y and this was only about an 3hr flight, so now I really not going to like a over seas flight on the 767, plus no in seat TVs Moderators: richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR
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AA And The 767-300 Very Disappointed!
I just got off AA1002 MIA-DFW that was upgraded from a 757 to a 767-300 and was excited to here it was in the new seat layout, But when I got on I was very disappointed The seat was not that comfy in Y and this was only about an 3hr flight, so now I really not going to like a over seas flight on the 767, plus no in seat TVs
The seat was not that comfy in Y and this was only about an 3hr flight, so now I really not going to like a over seas flight on the 767, plus no in seat TVs RE: AA And The 767-300 Very Disappointed!
I thought the new seat layout was only for the Business Class cabin (or First Class for a domestic flight like yours). I don't even think Coach seats got new seat covers which would mean there is absolutely no difference before and after if you flew in Coach.
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Business class seats on AA 763s were upgraded by the Y seats were left unchanged if I remember correctly. Pretty pathetic and shitty decision on AAs part.
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I too can't understand why they didn't properly refurbish the whole plane if they were planning on keeping it for a while longer, unless they want to do only domestic ops with it
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| Quoting deltabravo1123 (Reply 2): Business class seats on AA 763s were upgraded by the Y seats were left unchanged if I remember correctly. Pretty pathetic and shitty decision on AAs part. |
| Quoting rta (Reply 3): I too can't understand why they didn't properly refurbish the whole plane if they were planning on keeping it for a while longer, unless they want to do only domestic ops with it |
That's what happens when the accounting department runs the airline. UA had the same crap with their 747 refurbishments - flat beds in front cabin, shared overhead screens in Y (even in 2015, tragic I know)
At least UA's 3-class to 2-class 763 reconfigure was done correctly.
RE: AA And The 767-300 Very Disappointed!
I personally don't want them touching Y seats. From a passenger perspective, I am not a fan of slim line seats, which is what a Y cabin "upgrade" would likely entail.
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I personally think AA is on the right track fleet wise, with the exception of the 767-300s and the LUS A321s. Some of the 763s will be in the fleet for a while and they are WAY behind the competition in Y on long haul. The LUS A321s are also way behing the new A321s being delivered in the AA configuration and many are flying cross country. They really should try to adopt a unified cabin now that the single operating certificate is in place. It's a very inconsistent product. Just my .02.
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| Quoting rta (Reply 3): I too can't understand why they didn't properly refurbish the whole plane if they were planning on keeping it for a while longer, unless they want to do only domestic ops with it |
It is not because AA plans on keeping the 767s for a long time. British airways forced American to upgrade business class to full flat seats on all transatlantic flights. AA did not want to invest in new seats but as a part of the joint venture. BA and Iberia forced them too. Not all of the AA 767s are getting flat business class seats. Ones flying long haul to South America will still see the angled seats.
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Even older than that, aren't they? Didn't they upgrade to the slanted J seats some years back, but did not touch Y in the process. They even introduced new bins and side panels, which is just bizarre stepping between the cabins.
That means that the Y is several generations behind. I flew on the same seats 8 years ago, SCL-MIA...and that was my last AA flight, mostly thanks to that plane! Perhaps time to think about the repercussions of investment decisions.
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AA and UA are an embarassment. They have fallen further and further into disrepair and have left the passengers in the dust. It's very sad, indeed.
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| Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 4): That's what happens when the accounting department runs the airline |
Well, you've got to see basic return on investment. Having an uncompetitive premium cabin is really shortsighted with the pickier individuals paying larger amounts of cash and actively choosing one carrier over another based on product.
In the price driven economy class sector many passengers just buy on price and price alone so there's no real need for investment.
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| Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 4): At least UA's 3-class to 2-class 763 reconfigure was done correctly. |
| Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 7): It is not because AA plans on keeping the 767s for a long time. British airways forced American to upgrade business class to full flat seats on all transatlantic flights. AA did not want to invest in new seats but as a part of the joint venture. BA and Iberia forced them too. Not all of the AA 767s are getting flat business class seats. Ones flying long haul to South America will still see the angled seats. |
That's interesting. Why were they allowed to keep the Y cabin untouched? To be honest I often choose one JV partner over the other just because of the hard product. I'll take BA's 747s/777s over AA's 772/763s each time. Also some of AA's 763 are quite young, like less than 15 years old. Aren't they keeping this for a long time?
That brings me to a few questions about JVs, if anyone knows the answers. In general (say, the AA/BA JV), do they only share all profits and costs on routes that they both have service to? In other words does it include stuff like BA's LHR-IAD route? Also how do they account for different operational aspects between the two airlines. For example, BA might sell more seats than AA in a certain market. Or AA's costs might be higher. How exactly do they determine what is a fair portion of the costs and profits that each one carrier earns?
Or am I overthinking this and it simply comes down to them dividing costs/profits equally regardless of metal.
| Quoting cosyr (Reply 8): They even introduced new bins and side panels, which is just bizarre stepping between the cabins. |
Wow, I thought they would've at least changed the side panels and bins.
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RE: AA And The 767-300 Very Disappointed!
I recently flew from JFK-MIA in Business on the 767-300, and I have to say their new premium product was great. The cabin looked stylish, the seats were well cushioned and of course it was lie-flat. The only disappointment was the IFE was not built-in, which is a strange decision. Why bother having new seats and still have portable entertainment systems?
But Economy is another story. Stepping back to economy was like stepping back in time. Only the first few rows of economy had the new side panels and overhead bins, and although it had the new seat covers that resembles that of the 77W and new narrow body product, the rest still remains in the classic old interior. Really interesting in my opinion, although I'd definitely hesitate on flying in economy on the 763 on TATL flights. I can't believe AA uses this product on routes like JFK-GIG/ZRH/CDG where their competitors have a WAY BETTER product.
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But Economy is another story. Stepping back to economy was like stepping back in time. Only the first few rows of economy had the new side panels and overhead bins, and although it had the new seat covers that resembles that of the 77W and new narrow body product, the rest still remains in the classic old interior. Really interesting in my opinion, although I'd definitely hesitate on flying in economy on the 763 on TATL flights. I can't believe AA uses this product on routes like JFK-GIG/ZRH/CDG where their competitors have a WAY BETTER product.
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RE: AA And The 767-300 Very Disappointed!
I've flown two times in Y on AA's 763s, one of which was in MCE and one in an exit row. The most comfortable Y seats ever! Am I alone with this view? Didn't even mind not having personal IFE.
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| Quoting rta (Reply 11): I'll take BA's 747s/777s over AA's 772/763s each time. |
I'm a BA silver and I choose AA's 767s and 77Ws whenever possible. Reason being that they allow me to select seats in the Main Cabin Extra section, whereas BA doesn't offer any upgraded seating. Even with no at seat IFE I'd rather have the extra five inches of legroom compared to BA's 772s and 744s.
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| Quoting EricAY05 (Reply 14): I've flown two times in Y on AA's 763s, one of which was in MCE and one in an exit row. The most comfortable Y seats ever! Am I alone with this view? Didn't even mind not having personal IFE. |
All 767s rule in Y with 2-3-2 layout. How can you go wrong, short haul or long? I also can do without the in-seat IFE, and use my own mp3 player.
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