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Paris Air Show 2019 expectations

Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:40 am

I'm well aware the show isn't exactly around the corner but with 2019 now up and running, what are some things we can expect to be announced at the show?

    A350-1000ULR?
    797?
    777-10?

Obviously these are pretty large scale projects, however as an example.

My apologies if this has been discussed but my search function for this website doesn't seem to want to work anymore :bigthumbsup:
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019 expectations

Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:50 am

Hey mate,
I'm not convinced that Boeing will be ready to launch the 797/MoM this year. I HOPE that they do but I suspect that engine-related issues may hold them up.
I think that there is a good chance that Qantas will have chosen the Project Sunrise winner by the time of Paris or actually AT the Paris Air Show (though that would be out of character, but wow the publicity, especially f they announced the Paris services at the same time). If so, the A350-1000ULR OR the 777-8SP* will be launched. The A350-1000ULR could be launched even if Boeing win the QF order, with Qatar the launch customer.
I think that there is an outside chance of a stretched A220 being launched or at least speculated upon by Airbus.
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*=777-8SP is my suggestion of a designation for the potential Project Sunrise version of the 777-8.... Relates back to the 747SP that QF amongst others used to inaugurate long range flights decades ago!
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019 expectations

Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:56 am

bunumuring wrote:
Hey mate,
I'm not convinced that Boeing will be ready to launch the 797/MoM this year. I HOPE that they do but I suspect that engine-related issues may hold them up.
I think that there is a good chance that Qantas will have chosen the Project Sunrise winner by the time of Paris or actually AT the Paris Air Show (though that would be out of character, but wow the publicity, especially f they announced the Paris services at the same time). If so, the A350-1000ULR OR the 777-8SP* will be launched. The A350-1000ULR could be launched even if Boeing win the QF order, with Qatar the launch customer.
I think that there is an outside chance of a stretched A220 being launched or at least speculated upon by Airbus.
Cheers
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*=777-8SP is my suggestion of a designation for the potential Project Sunrise version of the 777-8.... Relates back to the 747SP that QF amongst others used to inaugurate long range flights decades ago!


I agree with the 797 potentially being delayed due to engine issues, but it will also give Airbus some time to further refine the possible A321XLR or announce it before Boeing. Qantas announcement would be amazing, especially with non-stop Paris flights, however I don't think they're ready for an order just yet.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019 expectations

Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:06 am

Only thing I'm certain of is absolutely no 777-10 at that time, and hard to see ever as long as A380's are still flying and non-ME3 even sniff at 777-9 .
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019 expectations

Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:33 am

Pretty sure we might see a 787-10ER before a 777-8SP. If 797 doesn't launch during or before Paris, I don't think we'll ever see it.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019 expectations

Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:24 am

bunumuring wrote:
The A350-1000ULR could be launched even if Boeing win the QF order, with Qatar the launch customer.

For what?

There's nothing QR flies or conceivably would fly (even AKL) that a standard A35K can't already do, and that's before Airbus theoretically goes to 318/320T, as it's suspected they eventually will.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019 expectations

Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:06 am

ULR's? Yup the only aircaft manufacturer that will launch a derivative that can literally fly half way round the World non stop will be the one that wins project sunrise,clearly the other won't.
787-10er? The engines are maxed out ,the present wing is maxed out ( there is another one drawn up with a higher aspect ratio but never built),the undercarriage is maxed out as is MTOW.Where on earth does an ER come from?
777-10? One day ,indeed perhaps very likely one day,but 2019? They will get the bird to actually fly first and see what it can do before launching additional derivatives.
797? If Boeing's own stated EIS projections ( based on customer demand) are going to be met it has to be launched then or not at all.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019 expectations

Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:15 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
bunumuring wrote:
The A350-1000ULR could be launched even if Boeing win the QF order, with Qatar the launch customer.

For what?

There's nothing QR flies or conceivably would fly (even AKL) that a standard A35K can't already do, and that's before Airbus theoretically goes to 318/320T, as it's suspected they eventually will.


Hey mate, I suggest you read the reports from a few months ago speculating on the A350-1000ULR. Some even suggested that the latest QR A350-1000 order was actually for the -1000ULR variant, but I would consider if that was the case AAB would be loudly proclaiming QR launching yet another aircraft variant.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019 expectations

Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:06 pm

bunumuring wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
bunumuring wrote:
The A350-1000ULR could be launched even if Boeing win the QF order, with Qatar the launch customer.

For what?

There's nothing QR flies or conceivably would fly (even AKL) that a standard A35K can't already do, and that's before Airbus theoretically goes to 318/320T, as it's suspected they eventually will.


Hey mate, I suggest you read the reports from a few months ago speculating on the A350-1000ULR. Some even suggested that the latest QR A350-1000 order was actually for the -1000ULR variant, but I would consider if that was the case AAB would be loudly proclaiming QR launching yet another aircraft variant.
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The QR conversion of 5 -900s to -1000s was said to be for an increased weight version. Extra weight could simply be "continuous improvement" enabling higher payload, or be specifically to accommodate extra fuel to support a ULR configuration, or sufficient to lift a stretched fuselage. Clarity around the QR spec is the least we should expect by Paris.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019 expectations

Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:27 pm

I predict it being as dull as the Paris Airshow 2015 was, at least from the perspective of an ordinary visitor.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019 expectations

Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:04 pm

bunumuring wrote:
Hey mate, I suggest you read the reports from a few months ago speculating on the A350-1000ULR.

I suggest you focus on the word "speculation"... because it's exactly that, and doesn't actually address the question posed:
which is what good does adding fuel tankage do for an aircraft that can already perform essentially any route QR flies (including the previous world's longest), and that's before it even gets another weight boost.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019 expectations

Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:06 pm

Might finaly be time for the AF-KLM narrowbody order.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019 expectations

Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:44 pm

Hey guys,
I'm pretty sure Qatar will order something as it seems to be 'what they do' historically at air shows.
Ethiopian could firm up their speculated 777X plans : or dump them altogether and order HGW versions of the A350...
Thai and Korean's widebody orders that have subject of separate a.net threads may also be firmed up. Air Asia/Air Asia X like the publicity of air show orders so I expect one or both to order some Airbus or maybe just tease by announcing interest in a potential 797 or something...
I'm sure that there will be lots of orders from least companies, probably focussing on A32Xneos and 737MAXs.
Could ANA add a couple of A380s and / or 787-10s to its order book? They only have three of each on order at the moment.
And as for a potential A350-1000ULR, Turkish will need something to operate its desired Australian routes, especially if it wants to operate them nonstop to Sydney/Melbourne with a decent payload. Another possible Project Sunrise-style ULH duel?
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019 expectations

Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:37 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
bunumuring wrote:
Hey mate, I suggest you read the reports from a few months ago speculating on the A350-1000ULR.

I suggest you focus on the word "speculation"... because it's exactly that, and doesn't actually address the question posed:
which is what good does adding fuel tankage do for an aircraft that can already perform essentially any route QR flies (including the previous world's longest), and that's before it even gets another weight boost.

I don't disagree that QR wont need it but I feel there is a flaw in the logic.
Why would an airline need more capability when all of the aircraft they currently have can perform all the missions they currently perform... Where are the airlines with aircraft performing missions they aren't capable of?

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Re: Paris Air Show 2019 expectations

Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:56 am

flipdewaf wrote:
I don't disagree that QR wont need it but I feel there is a flaw in the logic.
Why would an airline need more capability when all of the aircraft they currently have can perform all the missions they currently perform... Where are the airlines with aircraft performing missions they aren't capable of?

That makes no sense in the context of what's being discussed (i.e. impending/extremely recent acquisition), or at all really.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019 expectations

Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:35 am

With Reuters reporting Airbus is penciling in A321XLR orders, could we see a launch at the show?
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