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How often have the EU3 and US3 retired aircraft young (less than 10 years old)?

Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:08 pm

The EU3 and US3 have fairly old fleets on average, in large part due to the fact that they usually operate aircraft for virtually their whole lives, and many (most?) of their aircraft are scrapped rather than sold. However what I'd like to know is how many aircraft have they retired/sold that were quite young?

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Re: How often have the EU3 and US3 retired aircraft young (less than 10 years old)?

Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:20 pm

I don’t have exact numbers, but AA retired their MD-11s fairly young, with most only being with AA for 6 or 7 years. DL also retired their MD-11s young, although most were 10-15 years old at time of retirement.
 
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Re: How often have the EU3 and US3 retired aircraft young (less than 10 years old)?

Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:25 pm

Some of the US airlines got rid of Boeing 747s pretty quickly.

American Airlines springs to mind, as does Eastern (though they were leased to cover TriStar delivery delays).
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Re: How often have the EU3 and US3 retired aircraft young (less than 10 years old)?

Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:28 pm

747-100's at Delta were only around for about 7 years. Northwest had a small fleet of 8 MD-82's (mostly from Republic merger) that they operated for 13 years (1986-1999) and then retired. They likely had a fair amount of life left in them as they were about 18 years old at that point (they continued to fly older DC-9's for another decade+).
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Re: How often have the EU3 and US3 retired aircraft young (less than 10 years old)?

Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:45 pm

While not a US3/ME3 airline, Air Canada is ditching the E190s after around 10 years.
 
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Re: How often have the EU3 and US3 retired aircraft young (less than 10 years old)?

Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:06 pm

UA L1011's which they got with the Pan Am pacific routes.
DL DC10's twice. The first time when they leased some while waiting for the L1011 and the second time after inheriting them from the Western merger.
DL A310's didn't stay around for long.
AA MD87's and MD90's inherited from Reno Air.
 
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Re: How often have the EU3 and US3 retired aircraft young (less than 10 years old)?

Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:12 pm

bohica wrote:
AA MD87's and MD90's inherited from Reno Air.


Adding on - those MD90 eventually get scrapped after only being in service for total of 15 years (Lion Air brought them from AA). Talk about some young planes, especially when JT scrapped (or, well, w/o since it's JT) those MD-90 before 2012, while DL didn't retired their last DC-9 until 2014 :white: , and AA still has some MD-80s still flying right now (Getting a lot more rare, though).

It's definitely getting rare that US3 retire (or sell) their planes so early on, though. At least you probably won't see DL selling their A310 (the -300s) after 3 years (unless those A310 were leased...I don't know) nowadays.

Polot wrote:
I don’t have exact numbers, but AA retired their MD-11s fairly young, with most only being with AA for 6 or 7 years. DL also retired their MD-11s young, although most were 10-15 years old at time of retirement.


https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ame ... y-md11.htm

Some of them are more "after 4-5 years" than 6-7. AA was not the only one that sold their MD-11 to a freight company (to FedEx for AA), either, JL also did (to UPS; and sold those before JL retired their DC-10 IIRC). Just tell you how unpopular MD-11s are among pax carriers (At least they find a second life as freighters).
 
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Re: How often have the EU3 and US3 retired aircraft young (less than 10 years old)?

Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:27 pm

A few that come to mind that had relatively short duration:

US F-100
AA F-100
NW/XJ ARJ-85
NW/XJ SF3 B+ models
 
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Re: How often have the EU3 and US3 retired aircraft young (less than 10 years old)?

Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:27 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
A few that come to mind that had relatively short duration:

US F-100
AA F-100
NW/XJ ARJ-85
NW/XJ SF3 B+ models


Why the Fokkers leave AA? I’m guessing that seat market wasn’t very hot or financials.
 
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Re: How often have the EU3 and US3 retired aircraft young (less than 10 years old)?

Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:28 am

CarlosSi wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
A few that come to mind that had relatively short duration:

US F-100
AA F-100
NW/XJ ARJ-85
NW/XJ SF3 B+ models


Why the Fokkers leave AA? I’m guessing that seat market wasn’t very hot or financials.


A few factors:
1. Downturn following 9/11 - F100 was one of the victim of fleet simplification
2. Those F100 are getting expensive to maintain, due to parts being expensive
3. The rise of larger RJs. CRJ700s start to come in, and fill up most of the space that the F100s were flying, at a much lower payscale (Regional). In fact, most F100 routes are flown by CR7/CR9 or E175s nowaday. (Well, back than it's CR7 and some M80s for the more dense routes)
 
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Re: How often have the EU3 and US3 retired aircraft young (less than 10 years old)?

Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:10 pm

Lufthansa A330-200 fleet was between 2 and 3 years old when aquired, but left the fleet after just 4 years of service.
Now the planes are flying with TAP, Virgin, Brussels and Air Caraibes.

Lufthansa A340-200 fleet was aquired mostly new and left after 10 years of service, mostly to SAA.
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