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Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:36 am

I have seen Japan has a lot of short wide body flights. There used to be L-1011 with both Eastern and TWA that flew PDX-SEA. What are some others currently flying?
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:50 am

I think Korean(777s) and Asiana(767s/A330s) fly WB several times a day on their Gimpo-Jeju route, which is less than an hour flight with a distance of 441km.
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:53 am

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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:54 am

AA runs MCO-MIA on a 767-300.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:56 am

In the past, UA had some interesting ones; DEN-COS and OAK-SFO come to mind.
HA was flying the 767 between the islands a few years ago.
DL flew the L-1011 FLL-MIA many years ago.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:04 am

EI DUB-SNN, about 110nm 747 and A330
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:10 am

KICT wrote:
In the past, UA had some interesting ones; DEN-COS and OAK-SFO come to mind.
HA was flying the 767 between the islands a few years ago.
DL flew the L-1011 FLL-MIA many years ago.

The fact the routes like OAK-SFO and FLL-MIA were ever run, yet alone on widebodies is insane.

I know FLL-MIA are about ~21 miles apart, but how far is SFO-OAK?
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:15 am

N292UX wrote:
KICT wrote:
In the past, UA had some interesting ones; DEN-COS and OAK-SFO come to mind.
HA was flying the 767 between the islands a few years ago.
DL flew the L-1011 FLL-MIA many years ago.

The fact the routes like OAK-SFO and FLL-MIA were ever run, yet alone on widebodies is insane.

I know FLL-MIA are about ~21 miles apart, but how far is SFO-OAK?


About 6 miles, as the 742 flies.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:50 am

YYZ-YUL
TPE-OKA
TPE-HKG
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:54 am

MKE-ORD every time there's a thunderstorm in ORD.

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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:59 am

KA HKG-CAN 137km
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:01 am

For a while ~10 years ago, FedEx was flying DCA-IAD on the 757 (not a widebody, but still insane nonetheless).
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:03 am

N292UX wrote:
The fact the routes like OAK-SFO and FLL-MIA were ever run, yet alone on widebodies is insane.

The OAK-SFO runs were actually positioning flights, but still sold as revenue. UA used to have a maintenance hangar at OAK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_kp0Sjd5G0.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:29 am

HEL-BRU AY A333 (restarts in Oct)
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:30 am

Unbeatably HKG-CAN held the 1st position now
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:43 am

TK's
IST-ESB (A330 / B777) around 40 mins.
IST-ADB (A330/B777) around 45 mins.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:58 am

MRU-RUN is also operated by some wide-body aircrafts of Air Mauritius(A330, A340, A350) all year-long while Air Austral also operates the route with its B777 during peak season. For that short inter-island service, sometimes that are 7 daily wide-body flights(!!) and additional flights by ATR 72, B737 and A319 by both UU and MK during peak days of summer vacations.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:11 am

Latam Brazil used to fly :
GRU-GIG(337 km) 767W
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:24 am

Doesn't BA still operate the LHR - GLA /EDI shuttles with 767 eqpt still ?
I know its not short as some mentioned but I like to add my 2 cents.

I know in the past, intra euro flights had LH/AF/LX/IB operating between their respective hubs with WB acft. LH used to send the A300 to LHR from FRA, LX I believe sent the A330 and IB... correct me if I'm wrong, used to send the A346 from MAD. throw in the usual BA 767 euro flights to CDG/AMS/ARN/CPH etc and you have some pretty nice short Euro WB service.
Again, I know these are not short as in OAK-SFO short, but nice to think that they exist or once existed.

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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:35 am

At one time, on the route between MIA and FLL, Eastern and Delta operated L-1011s between MIA and FLL, and Western and National operated DC-10s.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:48 am

PA flew HEL-ARN with A310 and DL flew it with A310 and L1011-500. About a 40min flight.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:07 am

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Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:59 am

After Air Berlin went down, LH flew 744 FRA - TXL
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:28 am

BA's 777 Caribbean shuttles are short (aside from ANU-PLS) - SKB to ANU is rarely more than 20 minutes from wheels up to wheels down.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:56 am

Try Emirates for this.
Because they do not have Narrow Bodies on their fleet. DXB - MCT, Flights to Manama and all GCC flights are sometimes less than one hour and you still get to fly a B77W at least.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:19 am

UA used to fly a 77A between OGG-KOA as a part of triangle route pre-merger.
Roughly 2 years ago I flew on a HA 763 between HNL and OGG. The GC distance is 100 miles. Was approximately a 20m flight.

77H
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:38 am

this is an interesting topic and it would be great to have all those mentioned routes mapped for instance by Great Circle Mapper.
otherwise and without distance, the comparison and search for the number 1 for shortest widebody serve is somehow challenging.

we should also add the fact of currently operated routes on scheduled basis; no diversion, one-off's or charter operations.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:44 am

KICT wrote:
N292UX wrote:
The fact the routes like OAK-SFO and FLL-MIA were ever run, yet alone on widebodies is insane.

The OAK-SFO runs were actually positioning flights, but still sold as revenue. UA used to have a maintenance hangar at OAK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_kp0Sjd5G0.

Friend of mine always tells me how he flew regularly on many WBs between OAK and SFO during the '70s and '80s.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:53 am

I personally flew the Aer Lingus 747-100 between DUB and SNN back in the day. Awesome. Loved every minute of the experience. Getting to DUB to spot and have b'fast and soak in the atmosphere a good 3hrs before the actual flight, going to the gate, boarding the mighty 747....and the flying for 35 minutes!!! what a blast!
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:44 am

...here is what I could quickly compile taking into consideration actually scheduled flights in GDS.
Distance measurements thanks to gcmap.com

    CITY-PAIR / AIRLINE(S) / EQPT / DISTANCE (mi)
    SKB-ANU / BA / 777 / 62
    HKG-CAN / KA / 333 / 84
    BEY-LCA / ME / 332 / 129
    ZRH-GVA / LX / 333, 77W / 143
    AMM-BEY / RJ / 787 / 148
    SIN-KUL / SQ, HY, MK, ET / 332, 333, 359, 764, 788 / 184
    HND-KMQ / NH, JL / 767 / 198
    JED-MED / SV / 330, 777 / 201
    IST-ADB / TK / 333, 77W / 205
    GRU-GIG / LA / 763 / 210
    NRT-NGO / NH, JL / 767 / 212
    DXB-MCT/ EK, WY, LX / 332, 333, 77W / 217
    IST-ESB / TK / 77W / 228
    HND-ITM / NH, JL / 787, 777 / 251
    BAH-RUH / GF / 332, 789 / 261
    HND -UKB / NH, JL / 787, 777 / 266
    HND-KIX / NH, JL / 787, 777 / 269
    GMP-CJU / OZ, KE / 333, 763, 772, 744 / 280
    IST-OTP / TK / 333 / 284
    IST-AYT / TK / 332, 333, 77W / 301
    DXB-BAH / EK, CX / 333, 77L, 77W / 303
    NRT-KIX / NH, JL / 787, 777 / 306
    YYZ-YUL / AC / 333 / 316


I tried to set a limit around 300 miles; therefore, some of the previously mentioned city-pairs don't show in this list.
One can definitely see the dominance of domestic flights within Japan, but TK has also some very short distance flights on their WB fleet.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:07 pm

Air India's Delhi - Amritsar on the 787.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:28 pm

stylo777 wrote:
...here is what I could quickly compile taking into consideration actually scheduled flights in GDS.
Distance measurements thanks to gcmap.com

    CITY-PAIR / AIRLINE(S) / EQPT / DISTANCE (mi)
    SKB-ANU / BA / 777 / 62
    HKG-CAN / KA / 333 / 84
    BEY-LCA / ME / 332 / 129
    ZRH-GVA / LX / 333, 77W / 143
    AMM-BEY / RJ / 787 / 148
    SIN-KUL / SQ, HY, MK, ET / 332, 333, 359, 764, 788 / 184
    HND-KMQ / NH, JL / 767 / 198
    JED-MED / SV / 330, 777 / 201
    IST-ADB / TK / 333, 77W / 205
    GRU-GIG / LA / 763 / 210
    NRT-NGO / NH, JL / 767 / 212
    DXB-MCT/ EK, WY, LX / 332, 333, 77W / 217
    IST-ESB / TK / 77W / 228
    HND-ITM / NH, JL / 787, 777 / 251
    BAH-RUH / GF / 332, 789 / 261
    HND -UKB / NH, JL / 787, 777 / 266
    HND-KIX / NH, JL / 787, 777 / 269
    GMP-CJU / OZ, KE / 333, 763, 772, 744 / 280
    IST-OTP / TK / 333 / 284
    IST-AYT / TK / 332, 333, 77W / 301
    DXB-BAH / EK, CX / 333, 77L, 77W / 303
    NRT-KIX / NH, JL / 787, 777 / 306
    YYZ-YUL / AC / 333 / 316


I tried to set a limit around 300 miles; therefore, some of the previously mentioned city-pairs don't show in this list.
One can definitely see the dominance of domestic flights within Japan, but TK has also some very short distance flights on their WB fleet.


I assume sin kul was on HY 763 not 764
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:33 pm

millionsofmiles wrote:
At one time, on the route between MIA and FLL, Eastern and Delta operated L-1011s between MIA and FLL, and Western and National operated DC-10s.


Has anyone been on either of these positioning flights (widebody or not)? How long did it take from liftoff to landing? Would also be curious about the routing, and the altitude at which such a flight would occur.

Any insight?
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:23 pm

I believe when Air France took delivery of it's first A380 they operated it on Paris Charles de Gaulle - London Heathrow for a while. Maybe not the shortest wide body route in the world, but still incredibly short for an A380.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:56 pm

77H wrote:
UA used to fly a 77A between OGG-KOA as a part of triangle route pre-merger.
Roughly 2 years ago I flew on a HA 763 between HNL and OGG. The GC distance is 100 miles. Was approximately a 20m flight.

77H

There have been a number of these over the years. UA did HNL/LIH on a DC-10 back in the late 80's. It was a continuation of SFO/HNL. Not sure if it went back to HNL before going on to SFO again or if it was triangle route.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:13 pm

AUA-BON @ 121mi is operated regularly by KLM A332s and TUI B788s
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:39 pm

99NY wrote:
AUA-BON @ 121mi is operated regularly by KLM A332s and TUI B788s


I think you mean Curacao instead of Bonaire.

Those aren't really routes by itself, it's just two destinations in one flight. They fly Amsterdam - Aruba - Curacao - Amsterdam. For the long flight between Amsterdam and Aruba/Curacao they need a wide body. From Amsterdam, half the passengers get off in Aruba and the other half in Curacao. Same on the return flight. Half the passengers get on in Aruba, the other half in Curacao, however they all get off in Amsterdam.

I don't know if it's possible to just fly Aruba-Curacao on those flights, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't. But even if it was, I bet not many people do so.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:23 pm

I assume some of these flights of yesteryear were tags. I’ve flown MIA/MCO in a 772 (a sub for a 321).
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:27 pm

I remember years ago. KLM used to fly a 747 AMS LHR....this was 1986 I think it was once a week on a Thursday. We were flying to SFO on Pan Am and I've got a picture of PH-BUA taxiing by looking out the gate window.

In those days you could pick up all sorts of Widebodies within Europe. IR 74L LHR to PAR and FCO. CAAC to ZRH. .TG 742 to.....AMS or FCO.

Then again we had AF A300 A310s to CDG and MRS LH A300 A310s to FRA, KL A310 SR A310s BA L1011 to CDG IB A300/DC10 to MAD AGP etc in the mid to late 80s LHR.

Once flew EA A300 SEA PDX which is what 130 miles.
 
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Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:28 pm

I remember years ago. KLM used to fly a 747 AMS LHR....this was 1986 I think it was once a week on a Thursday. We were flying to SFO on Pan Am and I've got a picture of PH-BUA taxiing by looking out the gate window.

In those days you could pick up all sorts of Widebodies within Europe. IR 74L LHR to PAR and FCO. CAAC to ZRH. .TG 742 to.....AMS or FCO.

Then again we had AF A300 A310s to CDG and MRS LH A300 A310s to FRA, KL A310 SR A310s BA L1011 to CDG IB A300/DC10 to MAD AGP etc in the mid to late 80s LHR.

Once flew EA A300 SEA PDX which is what 130 miles.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:28 pm

BA used to use their 767s on a variety of short haul routes from LHR including MAN (152m) and CDG (215).

I once flew KLM LHR to AMS on an A330 and back on an F70, so quite a mix!
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:55 pm

99NY wrote:
AUA-BON @ 121mi is operated regularly by KLM A332s and TUI B788s

despite being a very short WB flight indeed, one can't book it independently from the longest-Euro leg thus it's not listed in the overview above.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:59 pm

blandy62 wrote:
I assume sin kul was on HY 763 not 764

you are right, HY doesn't have any 764's, but it's strange that HY554 is listed in GDS with 764.
in fact, it's a 1x weekly flight on Friday's anyhow...
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/hy554
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:53 am

stylo777 wrote:
blandy62 wrote:
I assume sin kul was on HY 763 not 764

you are right, HY doesn't have any 764's, but it's strange that HY554 is listed in GDS with 764.
in fact, it's a 1x weekly flight on Friday's anyhow...
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/hy554


I took that flight a while ago too on a hkg-sin-kul-hkg
Triangle just to get a ride on that airline. Did it also for Oman air. Will do it again in octover to ride the air mauritius flight
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:30 am

One that is no longer flown that comes to mind-- FIH-BZV on ET clocking in at 16 miles. Flown by a variety of types with ET including the B763/B788 as well the UTA DC10 and SN B743 in the past.

Another that comes to mind with ET is DLA-SSG (72mi) on the B788.

I flew CKY-FNA (72mi) as part of CDG-FNA on an AF A332. AF 596 is currently operated as a triangular routing CDG-FNA-CKY-CDG by a A332/A343 and you can book FNA-CKY, though it's quite expensive.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:13 pm

I'm certain this has been hashed out before.. What are the economics of flying widebodies on short routes. Are they doing this simply because they have the aircraft and need to put it to use? Pilot shortages? Surely the turnaround times kill these routes right?
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:32 pm

To serve two markets which otherwise wouldn't be able to sustain the whole widebody capacity?
For some airlines it's even an increase in utilization since the aircraft would stay at the first point for many hours.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:40 pm

AA used to fly DC10s DFW-AUS in the days of Mueller Munincipal (about 180 miles). Saw a photo inside a building of one landing in the distance...
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:26 pm

For a bit in the 1980s, Delta's L-1011 running BDA-BOS continued onto BDL and the BOS-BDL tag was bookable. That's roughly about 100 miles.
 
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Re: Shortest Wide Body Service

Mon Oct 01, 2018 4:04 am

CarlosSi wrote:
AA used to fly DC10s DFW-AUS in the days of Mueller Munincipal (about 180 miles). Saw a photo inside a building of one landing in the distance...


AA actually flew DC-10s (both Series 10s and Series 30s) on DFW-AUS and DFW-SAT; and Series 10s on DFW-IAH and DFW-ELP. AA also flew the -10s on numerous very short routes, such as ORD-DTW; DFW-MSY; MIA-MCO; LGA-YYZ; and ORD-YUL.

In the 1970s, AA flew a DC-10 both ways LAX-PSP, as well as PSP-TUS. Eastbound, the flight operated LAX-PSP-TUS-ORD-LGA, at one point, and ORD-TUS-PSP-LAX westbound.

The AA DC-10 that shed its cargo door in 1972, operating as AA 96, was routed LAX-DTW-BUF-LGA, and AA, in fact, operated a couple daily DC-10s between LGA and BUF, as well as BUF and ORD.

AA operated many short flights with the -10, and for a while in the 70s, also used the 747 between ORD and DTW.

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