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trijetsonly wrote:Additionally the Tu-114 is not only extremely rare but also magnificent!
longhauler wrote:A comfortable ride for the 40 or so passengers in a 160 seat cabin.
oldannyboy wrote:L1011 wrote:I've been on many, including the DC-6B, DC-7B, Lockheed L-188 Electra, Convair 440, Martin 4-0-4, Vickers Viscount, Vickers Vanguard, Comet 4B, Caravelle, DC-3, Nord 262, DHC-7, Boeing 707, among others. My favorite was the Electra. The Vanguard was 6-abreast with large oval windows similar to the Viscount. The Comet was 5-abreast with the 2-seat section on the starboard side, like Delta's MD-88s.
How noisy was the Vanguard, compared to say the Viscount and the Electra? Were those huge Allyson engines noisier than the Tyne?
longhauler wrote:This thread makes me feel very old! When I see aircraft mentioned here, that I recall when they were brand new is frightening.
I have flown on the jets mentioned.... DC-8 (20, 40, 50, 60, 70), 707, 720, VC-10 (Super, but not Standard), IL62, CV 880, CV 990, Caravelle (3, 6R and 12), BAC 111 (200, 400 and 500), Trident 2, F-28, Comet 4C, Mercure and Concorde.
My list includes some turboprops somewhat rarer ... Viscount 700, Vanguard, CV580, CV 640, Dart Herald, F-27, FH-227, Electra, IL-18 and even once on a TU-114 (substituted for an IL-62 from SVO to YUL).
I find the piston transports on my list are likely the rarest ... DC-3/4/6/7, even a DC-4M (the TCA version of the Argonaut, called the North Star ... I was an infant and do not recall this flight), CV440, L749, L1049.
Some of these were in regular airline operation and some I had to actively chase as they were nearing extinction. But I was an airline nerd since a young age. When flying on the TU-114 at the age of 8, I was well aware even then how lucky I was and how rare the aircraft was.
L1011 wrote:oldannyboy wrote:L1011 wrote:I've been on many, including the DC-6B, DC-7B, Lockheed L-188 Electra, Convair 440, Martin 4-0-4, Vickers Viscount, Vickers Vanguard, Comet 4B, Caravelle, DC-3, Nord 262, DHC-7, Boeing 707, among others. My favorite was the Electra. The Vanguard was 6-abreast with large oval windows similar to the Viscount. The Comet was 5-abreast with the 2-seat section on the starboard side, like Delta's MD-88s.
How noisy was the Vanguard, compared to say the Viscount and the Electra? Were those huge Allyson engines noisier than the Tyne?
I really don't remember it being any louder than the Electra. The Viscount was quieter. The noisiest turboprop I have flown on was the Convair 580. The flight attendant passed out ear plugs to all passengers.
oldannyboy wrote:I would have guessed the Vanguard to be quieter than both the Viscount and the Electra, given that it was powered by the Tyne, with the Dart-powered (screeching high-pitch anyone??) Viscount being the loudest of the three... I guess not!
longhauler wrote:oldannyboy wrote:I would have guessed the Vanguard to be quieter than both the Viscount and the Electra, given that it was powered by the Tyne, with the Dart-powered (screeching high-pitch anyone??) Viscount being the loudest of the three... I guess not!
In cruise, it was pretty hard to hear the high pitched whine of the Darts. I found that in cruise with the higher prop pitch it just sounded like a low moan. It was the same on the F27, Dart Herald, CV640 and Avro 748.
The Tynes on the Vanguard were the same, a low moan in cruise, but there was this ... vibration ... that never went away. Front to back, it was there. I understand that dihedral of the horizonal stabilizer was to address that, and to some extent, it may have. But everything in the aircraft vibrated to the same frequency, it was like sitting on an old Harley.
In the aft cabin of the Vanguard the vibration was worse, but engine noise was far less. I remember my Dad put a bottle cap on the tray table and we watched it dance around to the vibration.
I only flew on an Electra a couple of times, I don't recall the noise being that noteworthy. The CV440 was quieter than the CV580, but had the typical piston engine vibration. The CV580 just felt powerful. Both the Electra and CV580 made the coolest engine noise during start. It must have been unique to the DD Allison engines.