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What are driving some routes ?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:10 am

Hey guy's, I would like to know what main companies (such as filling up the front cabin), industries, and cargo is running on any flights, that you possibly have information on. Thanks!
 
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:10 pm

DL CVG-CDG - P&G
AA RDU-LHR - GSK
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:40 pm

AS SEA-CHS - Boeing
 
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:45 pm

I have never seen so many people with Windows Phones as when I flew LHR-SEA.
 
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:04 pm

If you are interested in European routes I have Bremen - Stuttgart (BRE - STR) for you. Packed with Mercedes employees, often wearing shirts with their names on it. Eurowings flies 319 on these routes that are often packed.
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:27 pm

AC YYZ-SCL - Barrick (mining)

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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:01 pm

I started a thread about this 2 years ago; unfortunately it did not really take off.
There was some great input though.

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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:09 pm

hoons90 wrote:
DL CVG-CDG - P&G
AA RDU-LHR - GSK

Even without P&G I would think DL would still be flying CVG-CDG. CVG is a similar market to IND and PIT yet is a much larger DL station. Someone may very well be flying RDU-London even without GSK. The market is big enough to support its two flights to Europe.

Year round CLT-MUC on the other hand probably wouldn't exist without the automotive industry.
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:32 pm

hoons90 wrote:
DL CVG-CDG - P&G
AA RDU-LHR - GSK

From a non-rev/ZED fare standpoint, typically how busy is RDU-LHR-RDU?
 
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:41 pm

Is there a particular company driving IND-CDG?
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:53 pm

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Is there a particular company driving IND-CDG?
Cargo for GE

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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:58 pm

I would venture to guess Mercedes is driving DL's ATL-STR (Large plant in Tuscaloosa)
I remember reading that Aer Lingus's BDL-DUB route was largely influenced by the pharmaceutical industry.
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:04 pm

Themotionman wrote:
AS SEA-CHS - Boeing

I remember reading somewhere that this route wasn't necessarily just driven by Boeing alone. I think there may be some local demand as well (granted, most of the traffic is indeed from Boeing).
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:04 pm

FA9295 wrote:
Is there a particular company driving IND-CDG?


Revenue guarantee from the state of Indiana of $5,000,000 and $500,000 in waived fees from the airport authority.
 
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:17 pm

Themotionman wrote:
AS SEA-CHS - Boeing


What is amazing is that that flight is usually on a Boeing 737-900ER.

I will give current future routes likely driven by the presence of the United Nations' central offices:

1. JFK to GVA; this is Swiss' only long-haul route that doesn't operate out of ZRH.
2. JFK to NBO
3. JFK and EWR to VIE

Outside of the USA, the major offices for the UN (excluding the ICAO) are in Geneva, Vienna, and Nairobi.

Speaking of Switzerland, the AA ZRH flight from JFK moved to PHL after it lost a major corporate contract to LX.

As for cultural ties, you have JFK and EWR to TLV, on which DL (daily on a A333 242t), UA (2x daily - 1 on a B77W and one on a B77E), and El Al (excluding the Sabbath and major Jewish holidays, up to 5x daily and will be the final LY B744 route). I have read that for El Al, this accounts for 35 percent of their business alone. The NYC area has the largest Jewish population in the world outside of Israel, and this route can function largely on O&D, although there are 1-stop options available via anywhere, but most common is KBP or GYD, sometimes traveling from JFK to TLV (via the PS or J2 hub, respectively) on the same plane. Similarly, AV is able to justify wide-bodies on BOG-JFK and MIA, and also a lot of secondary Colombia from each airfield.

Entertainment overall drives JFK to LAX, and that is why AA has 17 A321s with first class on them. The B762s of American Airlines ended their lives on JFK to LAX because they had first class. United flies either p.s. or international aircraft on EWR to LAX, and DL flies international wide-bodies on JFK to LAX. High tech also likely drives NYC to SFO, with either p.s. or international aircraft on the route (Google has a huge NYC presence, owning in its entirety the former Port of New York building and the adjacent Chelsea Market).

In Asia-Pacific, for a long time, the 747 reigned supreme on HKG-TPE, likely because it was easier to connect to HKG when relations between mainland China and Taiwan were frosty. These days, most frequencies are still wide-body frequencies, although BR has reduced its wide-body flying on the Golden Route and changed a lot of frequencies to the A321 (although the A321, A332, A333, and B77W all see the route).
 
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:39 pm

DL DTW-NGO for the auto industry is another obvious one.
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:46 pm

Delta DTW-Sao Paolo, for that matter, 3x weekly.
 
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:48 pm

NateGreat wrote:
hoons90 wrote:
DL CVG-CDG - P&G
AA RDU-LHR - GSK

From a non-rev/ZED fare standpoint, typically how busy is RDU-LHR-RDU?


YE March 2018 load factor was 71%, so there are plenty of open seats

jetskipper wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
Is there a particular company driving IND-CDG?


Revenue guarantee from the state of Indiana of $5,000,000 and $500,000 in waived fees from the airport authority.


That and Hoffmann-La Roche, who have a massive complex in Carmel and travel extensively to BSL, ZRH, and FRA
 
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:10 am

AF CDG-WUH due to the large presence of French automotive industry in Wuhan. Both PSA and Renault.
 
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:33 am

4 that I can think of:

-Most of the long-haul flights from SJC, especially the Asian ones (NRT, PEK, and PVG) are kept due to Silicon Valley and tech traffic, although the large Asian population in the Bay Area is certainly a factor too.
-SJC-AUS is known as the "nerd bird" because it's also driven by tech traffic. Because of that, when AA flew the route it was on the 752 multiple times daily for a time.
-Adding on about JFK-GVA, according to the Wikipedia page for SR 111, the flight was popular with business executives, scientists, and researchers. I don't know if that's still a large chunk of pax taking the flight, but at least it was a large portion of it in the past.
-Most of the more unusual China-Europe routes, ZRH-PRG-CTU and SVO-TSN come to mind but there are many more, are kept around because of Chinese tourism (not a business, but still interesting to think that tourism can drive so many odd routes)
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:41 am

717atOGG wrote:
4 that I can think of:

-Most of the long-haul flights from SJC, especially the Asian ones (NRT, PEK, and PVG) are kept due to Silicon Valley and tech traffic, although the large Asian population in the Bay Area is certainly a factor too.
-SJC-AUS is known as the "nerd bird" because it's also driven by tech traffic. Because of that, when AA flew the route it was on the 752 multiple times daily for a time.
-Adding on about JFK-GVA, according to the Wikipedia page for SR 111, the flight was popular with business executives, scientists, and researchers. I don't know if that's still a large chunk of pax taking the flight, but at least it was a large portion of it in the past.
-Most of the more unusual China-Europe routes, ZRH-PRG-CTU and SVO-TSN come to mind but there are many more, are kept around because of Chinese tourism (not a business, but still interesting to think that tourism can drive so many odd routes)

On the SR 111 episode of Mayday/ACI, they referred to the flight as the “UN Shuttle.”
 
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:51 am

PDX-AMS may be driven by companies such as Nike and Adidas as well.
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:53 am

767Forever wrote:
Eurowings: STN-CGN. Ford
Delta: DTW-LHR. Ford

Well, Delta's DTW-LHR route also has connecting traffic through other cities/airports as well since DTW is a fairly sizable operations hub for Delta.
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:57 am

Eurowings: STN-CGN. Ford
Delta: DTW-LHR. Ford
 
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:14 am

NateGreat wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
On the SR 111 episode of Mayday/ACI, they referred to the flight as the “UN Shuttle.”


I worked part time for SR at JFK stArting the summer of 1998 for 2 years. About 3 months into the job we suffered the loss of SR111 and while it was a life experience that is not relevant to this conversation. The flight was known for having many UN passengers shuttling between GVA and NYC. I guess adding banking and some pharma traffic it was claimed to be at that time (and probably still is as LX) a profitable flight for the company. Who else goes into GVA nonstop from the USA/Canada? United has EWR and IAD. LX has JFK. AC has YUL? Does Delta fly there - I feel I have seen a DL plane there in the past.
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:51 am

adambrau wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
On the SR 111 episode of Mayday/ACI, they referred to the flight as the “UN Shuttle.”


I worked part time for SR at JFK stArting the summer of 1998 for 2 years. About 3 months into the job we suffered the loss of SR111 and while it was a life experience that is not relevant to this conversation. The flight was known for having many UN passengers shuttling between GVA and NYC. I guess adding banking and some pharma traffic it was claimed to be at that time (and probably still is as LX) a profitable flight for the company. Who else goes into GVA nonstop from the USA/Canada? United has EWR and IAD. LX has JFK. AC has YUL? Does Delta fly there - I feel I have seen a DL plane there in the past.


AC can likely support a flight from YUL because the ICAO is based in Montreal. (The AC flight continues on to YYZ...same plane.) That's something I didn't consider before being so NYC-centric based on city of residence. Delta no longer flies to GVA, only ZRH, on the A332.

Granted it required CAT I designation, and the appropriate planes, but I'm surprised that it took so long for NBO-JFK to start (KQ will fly it daily on the B788). I have to wonder if even 2-3x weekly, AC might try YUL-NBO, although the problem might not be enough B788s to make it work (it's 70 nmi shorter than JFK-NBO).
 
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:17 am

Cargo:
GE Aviation cargo for Airbus IND/CVG-CDG

Passengers:
IND-SFO--Salesforce
DCA-State Capitals--Government/lobbyists
CVG-XNA--P&G+Walmart(route is ending)
2018: AMS, ATL, BOS, BWI, CDG, CLT, CMN, DCA, DFW, DTW, EWR, FLL, FRA, HPN, JFK, IAD, IAH, IND, LAX, LGA, LHR, LOS, MAD, MIA, MSP, ORD, PHL, PVD, SAN, SEA, SJD, SLC, SFO, TPA, TXL, ZRH....Loading....
 
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:43 am

Everywhere to LAS - Gambling, getting drunk and a little "XYZ" :)
 
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:31 am

WN DAL/AUS route during the week carries a lot of passengers doing government business in AUS.
 
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:23 pm

Music Industry Routes:
BNA to LAX(AA), BNA-MSL(Boutique Air).......a fair amount of SEA-AUS(AS) is from the music industry, too, though more of it is from computer/software companies.

SEA-ICT(AS)......aircraft component manufacturers.

SFO-TLV(UA)...pharmaceutical and software companies.

Anyhere to XNA......WalMart.

DEN-VEL(UA/OO)........mining and petroleum interests.
 
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:16 pm

IAH-anywhere = oil
Schlumberger to be exact in the case of AF on CDG-IAH.
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:00 pm

MAN-PHL and MAN-CBG (don't know if still operating) is GSK.

NBO - EBB, Bangui, Juba, are usually the UN express for people who couldn't get tickets on the internal flight system. Round holiday time, tickets on the shuttle are hen's teeth.
 
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Re: What are driving some routes ?

Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:51 pm

There's a number of flights out of PER which are centered around transporting workers in minsites in regional West Australian cities to/from Perth. Qantas & Virgin Australia even have subfleets of Fokker 100s and A320s based in PER for these flights.

PER-KGL
PER-ZNE
PER-PBO
PER-LEA
PER-ONS
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