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lhrsfosyd wrote:What about Africa and South America?
Midwestindy wrote:lhrsfosyd wrote:What about Africa and South America?
Africa:
JNB, CAI, CMN, CPT, LOS, ADD, NBO
Bricktop wrote:Midwestindy wrote:lhrsfosyd wrote:What about Africa and South America?
Africa:
JNB, CAI, CMN, CPT, LOS, ADD, NBO
Surely they are dwarfed by the first reply?
afterburner wrote:My guess are airports like JFK, LHR, NRT, HKG, and SIN.
tphuang wrote:Again, as posted by oneworld
https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.co ... -airlines/
London, tokyo, nyc, hong kong, singapore, paris, seoul and frankfurt.
zakuivcustom wrote:tphuang wrote:Again, as posted by oneworld
https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.co ... -airlines/
London, tokyo, nyc, hong kong, singapore, paris, seoul and frankfurt.
Somebody else's data from the tweet chain (Whatever it's suppose to be call):
https://twitter.com/EvermoreUW/status/9 ... 7486192640
The usual suspect shows up:
Asia - PEK, HKG, PVG, SIN, NRT, ICN, HND, CAN, SHA?, BKK
Europe - LHR, CDG, FRA
NA - JFK, LAX, SFO, EWR, ORD, MIA
Now, it's (I believe) seat capacity, not necessarily how many seats they filled. Take some of the Chinese market, for example, on domestic routes there are fair amount of premium seats, but AFAIK those cabins are often empty.
tphuang wrote:zakuivcustom wrote:tphuang wrote:Again, as posted by oneworld
https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.co ... -airlines/
London, tokyo, nyc, hong kong, singapore, paris, seoul and frankfurt.
Somebody else's data from the tweet chain (Whatever it's suppose to be call):
https://twitter.com/EvermoreUW/status/9 ... 7486192640
The usual suspect shows up:
Asia - PEK, HKG, PVG, SIN, NRT, ICN, HND, CAN, SHA?, BKK
Europe - LHR, CDG, FRA
NA - JFK, LAX, SFO, EWR, ORD, MIA
Now, it's (I believe) seat capacity, not necessarily how many seats they filled. Take some of the Chinese market, for example, on domestic routes there are fair amount of premium seats, but AFAIK those cabins are often empty.
I don’t really consider any of the Chinese airports or something like bkk to be premium. A lot of them go out empty, on award tickets. Even the ones hat are filled are at really low prices. Anytime, I fly to Asia, I can always find great deals on the Chinese airlines for bargain hunters like myself.
RvA wrote:I wouldn't rule out ATL/DFW/ORD/MIA either just because of the good number of longhaul configured aircraft operating there.
Atlwarrior wrote:RvA wrote:I wouldn't rule out ATL/DFW/ORD/MIA either just because of the good number of longhaul configured aircraft operating there.
Definitely because of Corporate Headquarters presence in ATL and DFW area.
cofannyc wrote:From June 2018 OAG Data:
Caveat: the seat counts by cabin are carrier reported and where they have multiple seat configs per type, they choose one to report so these are not perfectly exact numbers of what flew/will fly but is a very good guide
Caveat 2: because the seat counts are carrier reported, some carriers do not report them. I manually corrected any carrier in the top 100 by flights that didn't report seat counts by cabin, but this will still lead to some discrepancies
Average Premium Seats per day on widebody departures by airport:
Asia:
1. Hong Kong - 11,596 seats/day
2. Tokyo Haneda - 11,296 seats/day
3. Beijing - 9,514 seats/day
4. Singapore - 8,872 seats/day
5. Seoul Incheon - 7,363 seats/day
Europe:
1. London Heathrow - 12,840 seats/day
2. Paris Charles de Gaulle - 6,598 seats/day
3. Frankfurt - 6,316 seats/day
4. Istanbul - 4,528 seats/day
5. Amsterdam - 3,540 seats/day
North America:
1. New York JFK - 6,686 seats/day
2. Los Angeles - 5,123 seats/day
3. San Francisco - 3,357 seats/day
4. Chicago O'Hare - 2,775 seats/day
5. Newark - 2,716 seats/day
ME3 Hubs:
1. Dubai - 16,656 seats/day
2. Doha - 5,215 seats/day
3. Abu Dhabi - 2,562 seats/day
Africa:
1. Johannesburg - 1,780 seats/day
2. Cairo - 1,670 seats/day
3. Addis Ababa - 1,145 seats/day
Oceania:
1. Sydney - 3,384 seats/day
2. Melbourne - 2,082 seats/day
3. Auckland - 1,314 seats/day
South America:
1. Sao Paulo - 2,191 seats/day
2. Buenos Aires - 1,064 seats/day
3. Santiago - 828 seats/day
cofannyc wrote:From June 2018 OAG Data:
Caveat: the seat counts by cabin are carrier reported and where they have multiple seat configs per type, they choose one to report so these are not perfectly exact numbers of what flew/will fly but is a very good guide
Caveat 2: because the seat counts are carrier reported, some carriers do not report them. I manually corrected any carrier in the top 100 by flights that didn't report seat counts by cabin, but this will still lead to some discrepancies
Average Premium Seats per day on widebody departures by airport:
TWFlyGuy wrote:Doesn't this artificially skew against North America since there are so few domestic widebodies? Good example is UA's PS and AA transcon services. Lot's of premium seats but narrowbody. Also consider 757's across the ocean.
cofannyc wrote:So I pulled the data with all aircraft types.
Notes:
1) For EU carriers, I used the most common US carrier configuration for aircraft that have the "European style" business class where the seat count is not fixed, but demand dependent. It would be unfair to say the EU carriers have 0 seats or 200 seats in business class by taking it to the extremes.
2) These are seat counts and nothing more. It says nothing about premium demand (load factors), premium yields (fares), or % of passengers actually paying (free US carrier upgrades).
3) Data is for June 2018.
North America
1. ATL - 15,978 seats/day
2. LAX - 13,602 seats/day
3. ORD - 12,853 seats/day
4. DFW - 11,595 seats/day
5. JFK - 11,202 seats/day
Europe
1. LHR - 17,665 seats/day
2. FRA - 14,163 seats/day
3. CDG - 10,910 seats/day
4. IST - 9,975 seats/day
5. AMS - 9,084 seats/day
Asia
1. PEK - 14,655 seats/day
2. HND - 14,044 seats/day
3. HKG - 12,732 seats/day
4. SIN - 10,113 seats/day
5. PVG - 9,269 seats/day
ME3 Hubs
1. DXB - 18,328 seats/day
2. DOH - 6,445 seats/day
3. AUH - 3,909 seats/day
Australasia
1. SYD - 4,982 seats/day
2. MEL - 3,568 seats/day
3. BNE - 2,150 seats/day
4. AKL - 1,438 seats/day
5. PER - 1,339 seats/day
Africa
1. CAI - 3,889 seats/day
2. JNB - 3,418 seats/day
3. ADD - 1,882 seats/day
4. NBO - 1,405 seats/day
5. CMN - 1,355 seats/day
South America
1. BOG - 3,285 seats/day
2. GRU - 2,313 seats/day
3. LIM - 1,368 seats/day
4. EZE - 1,124 seats/day
5. SCL - 1,020 seats/day
cofannyc wrote:From June 2018 OAG Data:
Caveat: the seat counts by cabin are carrier reported and where they have multiple seat configs per type, they choose one to report so these are not perfectly exact numbers of what flew/will fly but is a very good guide
Caveat 2: because the seat counts are carrier reported, some carriers do not report them. I manually corrected any carrier in the top 100 by flights that didn't report seat counts by cabin, but this will still lead to some discrepancies
Average Premium Seats per day on widebody departures by airport:
North America:
1. New York JFK - 6,686 seats/day
2. Los Angeles - 5,123 seats/day
3. San Francisco - 3,357 seats/day
4. Chicago O'Hare - 2,775 seats/day
5. Newark - 2,716 seats/day
jumpjets wrote:I don't want to start a different argument running but if you include narrow bodies in the calculation for European airports you bring in European Business class for the European majors, many of whom (I am thinking especially BA) do not exactly offer a premium on board service - it is just a bit better than the Y offering. So in my view its not really fair to give that level of service the same status as say transontinental F in the USA or regional J in the far east.