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How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 6:54 pm

Hello everybody!

How far are people willing to connect out of their way for a cheaper fare and for how much cheaper? For example... Are many people willing to fly LHR-DXB-NRT on EK (which is a 40.4% longer distance) vs. non-stop on BA, JL, or NH if the fare is significantly cheaper? Also what are some far out of the way connections you've made in the past? Thank you in advance for your input!
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 7:06 pm

My boyfriend flew from Manchester to JFK via Madrid last year, because it was cheaper. According to GCMap, that's 34.1% further than the direct flights. The timings weren't important, the price was. Other trips between Manchester and NYC have included stops in Boston, Philadelphia, London Heathrow, and Dublin. On leisure trips, price always wins! Thankfully Thomas Cook are doing some pretty decent fares on their direct flights now.
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 7:07 pm

I know a guy that flew from London to Dubai to LA to get to Vancouver. Avgeek though, so it's less insane.
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 7:11 pm

I haven't gone that far but have flown IND-IAD-SEA, IND-IAH-LAX (and reverse), and IAH-SFO-IND (two tickets one day never left the SFO airport but for catching the 787.
A friend flew LOS-DXB-ORD from Nigeria to the U.S Midwest, which is the farthest out of the way itinerary I've personally heard of.
I guess it would come down to one's value of time versus price (an equation messed up if one likes aviation though....).
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 7:17 pm

JFK-YVR-HKG-LAX RT
JFK-YVR-HKG-LHR

All on CX
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 7:17 pm

DEN-ORD-JFK-LAX once. Avoided rush hour traffic in LA and flew on the AA 321T
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 7:19 pm

Someone posted a few months ago about their friends who travelled from Belfast to Istanbul then backtracked to Havana.
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 7:19 pm

I've done SAN-SEA-ATL-DTW before. Also have done DTW-JFK-MCO, MCO-MSP-ATL. All because of price.

The worst I've done was MCO-SLC-BOS-JFK-SXM.
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 7:21 pm

I just did SAN-IAH-MEX and back this weekend, and that's about as far as I'm willing to go. It's like an isosceles triangle.
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 7:23 pm

There was one guy who went Manchester to london via warsaw with ryanair as it was cheaper than train
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 7:26 pm

I have done SYD-HKG-YVR on CX before AC went direct.
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 7:26 pm

FRA-PMI-HAM
FRA-AUH-PEK
DEN-YVR-FRA
SCL-DFW-LHR-LIN

would've probably been the most off-track routings I've done
2018: ADD CPH DAR DEN DME DUB FRA HAH HAM IST JIB KEF LYR MEL OSL PEK PKC PVG RAK STN SVO SYD YVR
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 7:29 pm

I once did MPM (Maputo)-JNB-DXB-SYD-CHC-WLG instead of the significantly shorter MPM-JNB-SYD-WLG. Going the long way saved me around 15€ and I was pleased by spending around 10 hours more flying. Would do it again.
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 7:45 pm

11 PDEW flew MEM-ATL-MSY on DL in Q4 2017, twice as far as a (nonexistent) nonstop.
The average circuity of US domestic itineraries (from DB1B data) is apparently 7%, which seems a bit low to me, but thats something to at least think about.
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 7:46 pm

11 PDEW flew MEM-ATL-MSY on DL in Q4 2017, twice as far as a (nonexistent) nonstop.
The average circuity of US domestic itineraries (from DB1B data) is apparently 7%, which seems a bit low to me, but that's something to at least think about.
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 7:48 pm

Did BNA-SLC-DFW, BNA-DTW-DFW and BNA-MSP-DFW on Delta a couple of years ago
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 7:54 pm

The Chinese carriers tend to be the low price leaders for LAX-Australia services, and thus, transport single digit percentages of LAX-Australia traffic. I've seen fare differences of USD400-500 for LAX-SYD r/t via China versus nonstop options. All of the common routings connecting at either CAN, PEK, or PVG add 50%+ to the mileage travelled.
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 7:58 pm

Not that out of the way distance wise, but time wise...met a guy that was flying FAT-SFO-SNA, then getting a rental car and driving to SAN, then flying to HNL. How he even found that combo is beyond me, but he said it saved him about $150, even with the rental car and gas.
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 7:59 pm

Standard allowed IATA distance deviation is 20 percent.
Matter of fact many fares have Maximum Permitted Mileage (MPM) distance, and routings above this 20 percent deviation can incur additional charges.
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 8:00 pm

Not me, but my parents once did IAH-DME-SIN-HKG on SQ b/c they were the only one that have a ticket price that's not ultra ridiculous (It was during holiday season), even though it's a (very) circulous routing.

I've also sat next to an Aussie man flying ORD-HKG-SYD on CX, even though LAX (or even HNL) is a much more logical choices.

The most circulous I've ever done is WN's HOU-TPA-IND, a "direct" same plane flight, just to take advantage of the two free baggages that WN offered (I was moving to IND and packed TONS of stuff; and WN didn't have non-stop HOU-IND back then).
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 8:00 pm

The two I can remember on CO were DFW-CLE-ORD and I think one time I did DFW-EWR-ORD
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 8:07 pm

Flew GRU-DOH-BCN-DOH-BCN and AKL-SYD-EZE-GRU to take advantage of cheap fares.
Many Brazilians fly everyday from Brazil to Mexico, Canada, DTW/DFW/NYC/IAH to Reach Florida.

Believe the more VFR and/or underserved a market is, the more people are willing to make weird connections
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 8:08 pm

winGl3t wrote:
Flew GRU-DOH-BCN-DOH-BCN, MEX-JFK-GRU and AKL-SYD-EZE-GRU to take advantage of cheap fares.
Many Brazilians fly everyday from Brazil to Mexico, Canada, DTW/DFW/NYC/IAH to Reach Florida.

Believe the more VFR and/or underserved a market is, the more people are willing to make weird connections
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 8:14 pm

Most professional route forecasting is done with circuity of 1.30 or less. This assumes most people will not go more than 30% out of the way to get to their destination. Now depending on the route and location there are exceptions even going as high as 1.60, but 1.30 is the aviation standard.
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 8:18 pm

I once flew DEN-LAX-SEA-MSP-ATL-JFK in one day. My flight DEN-JFK direct got canceled on DL. The Gate agent help me come up with this crazy plan just for fun. Then she smiled and booked it all in first class for me. NICE.
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 8:24 pm

Not exactly the same as your scenario, but two quick stories:

1.) On a mileage ticket, opted to fly back to NYC from BOM by BOM-SIN-FRA-JFK on SQ, over a direct BOM-EWR on AI. Of course, was returning during my summer break so had no issue with the extra time (ah, the good old days of UA mileage rules)

2.) I had to travel to Amsterdam from JFK for work. Flew JFK-FRA-AMS, with SQ being the JFK-FRA sector. For some reason, on SQ website the following route was the same price: JFK-FRA-SIN-FRA-AMS. I was leaving a full day before my other colleague, and seriously considered it

Overall, I'm willing to go significantly out of my way for preferred airline assuming price is similar (+/- 20%) and I still get where I need to be in time.
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 8:29 pm

I've seen retired English couples at BOS taking BOS-IST-MAN rather than a direct flight to the UK (!). This is over 100% further, but probably much cheaper knowing TK's pricing.
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 8:30 pm

aaway wrote:
The Chinese carriers tend to be the low price leaders for LAX-Australia services, and thus, transport single digit percentages of LAX-Australia traffic. I've seen fare differences of USD400-500 for LAX-SYD r/t via China versus nonstop options. All of the common routings connecting at either CAN, PEK, or PVG add 50%+ to the mileage travelled.


I flew AKL-CAN-LAX-DEN last year. Quite a bit of backtracking right there.
Other highlights (on a single ticket) were:

INN-PMI-FMO
DEL-CMB-SIN-KUL
AMS-ATL-EZE-ATL-DEN
DUS-ATL-SCL-ATL-DEN
AMS-ATL-GIG-ATL-DEN
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 8:33 pm

dochawk2 wrote:
I once flew DEN-LAX-SEA-MSP-ATL-JFK in one day. My flight DEN-JFK direct got canceled on DL. The Gate agent help me come up with this crazy plan just for fun. Then she smiled and booked it all in first class for me. NICE.

Did you get miles/points for this too? Would be a nice benefit :)
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 8:38 pm

Just the other week I sat next to a guy who was routing MEM-IAH-CMH. I asked why on earth he did that and he said it was the only way to leave MEM past 5pm and get home to CMH same night.
I also have known people to fly IAH-IST-BRU and IAH-IST-MXP for cheaper fares.
I personally will not deviate much off the GC route to my destination, regardless of price.
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 8:41 pm

JakubH wrote:
dochawk2 wrote:
I once flew DEN-LAX-SEA-MSP-ATL-JFK in one day. My flight DEN-JFK direct got canceled on DL. The Gate agent help me come up with this crazy plan just for fun. Then she smiled and booked it all in first class for me. NICE.

Did you get miles/points for this too? Would be a nice benefit :)


I did and they were all at the first class mileage rate!!! I forget how many I got, but with my platinum bonus, it was HUGE.
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 8:41 pm

I've done AUS-MEM-LAS, but that's not too out of the way.
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 8:45 pm

I flew FAI-ANC-OME a few times after 2F dropped the non stop. Also CCS-YYZ-DFW and LHR-AMS-INV.
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 8:45 pm

GCT64 wrote:
I've seen retired English couples at BOS taking BOS-IST-MAN rather than a direct flight to the UK (!). This is over 100% further, but probably much cheaper knowing TK's pricing.


A couple of non-avgeek friends did about the same: BOS-IST-AMS and return, clearly because it was cheaper.
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 8:48 pm

I haven't done any really ridiculous backtracking, but here are a few I have done:
SMF-LAX-MSP -- Not only was it the cheapest option, it actually wasn't really any longer time wise, as it had a shorter layover than the other options. (If you're wondering, the nonstop SMF-MSP flight is less than daily in the winter months, and I needed to fly on a day when there was no nonstop).
MSY-ATL-SMF -- Yes, it was the cheapest option, but I also got to fly on 757s both legs.

I once booked MIA-LAX-PDX-SMF as an AA/AS codeshare. I was redeeming miles and that itinerary was the only "saver" award available. Except the first flight was delayed and I missed my connection at LAX, so I got rebooked directly to SMF. On one hand, it was nice that in spite of the missed connection I still got home at pretty much the same time I would have on my original itinerary. On the other hand, I was a little disappointed that I didn't get to fly on the Dash-8 on the PDX-SMF leg, which is a plane I've never been on before.

flyfresno wrote:
Not that out of the way distance wise, but time wise...met a guy that was flying FAT-SFO-SNA, then getting a rental car and driving to SAN, then flying to HNL. How he even found that combo is beyond me, but he said it saved him about $150, even with the rental car and gas.


I'm guessing he found a really good deal on a flight from SAN, and from there tried to find the cheapest way to get to SAN. However I wonder if figuring the total travel time it would have made more sense to just drive the 6 or so hours from Fresno to SAN rather than arriving at FAT 1.5 hours before the flight, flying, connecting, flying, picking up a rental car, and driving approximately 1.5 hours to SAN. I can't imagine that would take that much less time than just driving the whole distance. Unless he was doing a mileage run or something.
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 9:06 pm

dochawk2 wrote:
JakubH wrote:
dochawk2 wrote:
I once flew DEN-LAX-SEA-MSP-ATL-JFK in one day. My flight DEN-JFK direct got canceled on DL. The Gate agent help me come up with this crazy plan just for fun. Then she smiled and booked it all in first class for me. NICE.

Did you get miles/points for this too? Would be a nice benefit :)


I did and they were all at the first class mileage rate!!! I forget how many I got, but with my platinum bonus, it was HUGE.

Wow, congrats! Nice to enjoy a positive surprise like that!
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 9:15 pm

Some people's geography and sense of geography is awful but almost everyone is price sensitive.
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 9:26 pm

maortega15 wrote:
JFK-YVR-HKG-LAX RT

All on CX


That is essentially JFK-LAX. Is CX allow to sell that?
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 9:36 pm

LAS-MSP-AMS-MAN got a cheap tickets. And I also flew from Man-MCO via FRA once, the check in agent look surprised that I was back tracking when MAN offers 3 direct flights a day, but I was student with time to kill!
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 9:41 pm

LAX-SFO-Hawaii
SNA-Chicago-EWR-CLE

Not many other than that.
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 9:42 pm

Last month I flew EIN - CPH - LAX and back LAX - BCN - EIN. Neither CPH or BCN are exactly en-route between EIN and LAX, but it was the cheapest option.
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 9:46 pm

greenair727 wrote:
maortega15 wrote:
JFK-YVR-HKG-LAX RT

All on CX


That is essentially JFK-LAX. Is CX allow to sell that?


The customer got to HKG
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 9:46 pm

People will do just about anything for the right fare...
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 9:48 pm

It's fun to read the postings on this thread and some of them are kind of mind bending. When I am flying I like to keep moving in the same direction even though it might be more expensive. A couple of years ago I flew from FLL to DFW to GRU using AA miles even though I live only about 20 miles north of MIA. Landed in DFW in the morning and got a hotel where I could sleep and shower before leaving DFW in the evening for GRU.
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 9:54 pm

People in my office thought SEA-LAX-YYZ this past weekend was mad - after reading the above; apparently I'm quite sane. However unlike Sheldon Cooper; my mother never had me tested.
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 10:07 pm

I'm going LHR > HEL > DOH > SYD (and return) in November.

QR had an insane sale earlier in the year, and I managed to snag a Club/J fare Europe to SYD for £2,200 - there was a fare for £1,900 from OSL but it was sold out by the time I made the booking, so I grabbed HEL for £2,200 instead. Previously, my cheapest J fare to SYD was £2,800 on AY. (I stick to oneworld carriers generally).

Even with the added LHR <> HEL flight (booked separately) for the two of us that is around a £1,500 saving, and a whopping £3,500 saving against QF/BA/CX's typical £4,000pp fare. That saving buys an awful lot of good meals out in Sydney.

The sweetest part of the deal is that from next month, QSuites will be on our 77W QR 906/907 DOH <> SYD flights. The DOH <> HEL sectors are on 788s.
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 10:11 pm

Flew SEA-SLC-DEN-SFO-SEA in one day to get on UA's 787.
 
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 10:15 pm

I just booked SJO-PTY-SAL (+161% longer than direct) because the fare was $200 cheaper.
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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 10:17 pm

I flew with my family many times from MEX to LAS via IAH or DFW as most of the times it was cheaper than the direct flight to LAS.

And in 2013 I also flew to Milan Linate from Múnich via Dusseldorf with Air Berlin.

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Re: How far out of the way will people connect?

Wed May 30, 2018 10:24 pm

Southwest offers a lot of out of the way bookings like

SDF-BWI-LAS
SDF-LAS-ELP

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