UA's domestic 777 vs DC-10

727LOVER · Sat May 05, 2018 4:21 pm

Where does UA fly it's domestic 777s?
I'm thinking just the hubs

Where did UA fly it's DC-10s back in the mid-70s?
Well, the hubs:
DEN
SFO
LAX
ORD

Also, semi hubs of PIT,CLE
Also, airports like BOS, LGA, BUF, HNL,TPA SEA, EWR and into the 80s, MCO

PBI, FLL, MIA?

I know there are less planes...but I guess the point of the thread---it would be nice to see the domestic 777s other than the hubs.

F9Animal · Sat May 05, 2018 4:35 pm

We had a good amount of DC-10's in LAS during the mid 1990's. Mainly ORD bound, and I believe we at one time had IAD with a DC-10.

strfyr51 · Sat May 05, 2018 4:46 pm

727LOVER wrote:
Where does UA fly it's domestic 777s?
I'm thinking just the hubs

Where did UA fly it's DC-10s back in the mid-70s?
Well, the hubs:
DEN
SFO
LAX
ORD

Also, semi hubs of PIT,CLE
Also, airports like BOS, LGA, BUF, HNL,TPA SEA, EWR and into the 80s, MCO

PBI, FLL, MIA?

I know there are less planes...but I guess the point of the thread---it would be nice to see the domestic 777s other than the hubs.

SFO,LAX,DEN.ORD, IAD,JFK, EWR, HNL,, DC10-10's (the dc10-30's didn't come along until United got the SEA-HKG route. in the mid 80's

727LOVER wrote:
Where does UA fly it's domestic 777s?
I'm thinking just the hubs

Where did UA fly it's DC-10s back in the mid-70s?
Well, the hubs:
DEN
SFO
LAX
ORD

Also, semi hubs of PIT,CLE
Also, airports like BOS, LGA, BUF, HNL,TPA SEA, EWR and into the 80s, MCO

PBI, FLL, MIA?

I know there are less planes...but I guess the point of the thread---it would be nice to see the domestic 777s other than the hubs.

United might be risk averse right now. They don't have the support systems in place to send a big airplane like the B777-200A to a non hub city.
In times past you could put a CF-6 on a truck and move it anywhere you needed it. The PW4077 is a much different "animal" you can put it on a truck, But you'll STILL be hard pressed to get it to a small airport as you have to map EVERY overpass at 13'6" or below across country.
So it's cost prohibitive to fly anything much bigger than a B767 into a non-hub city..

conflats · Sat May 05, 2018 4:46 pm

727LOVER wrote:
Where does UA fly it's domestic 777s?
I'm thinking just the hubs

Where did UA fly it's DC-10s back in the mid-70s?
Well, the hubs:
DEN
SFO
LAX
ORD

Also, semi hubs of PIT,CLE
Also, airports like BOS, LGA, BUF, HNL,TPA SEA, EWR and into the 80s, MCO

PBI, FLL, MIA?

I know there are less planes...but I guess the point of the thread---it would be nice to see the domestic 777s other than the hubs.

United is flying them on the EWR-DUB route since March.

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gwrudolph · Sat May 05, 2018 4:54 pm

Domestically, the DC10s flew to many cities:

BOS
CLE
DEN
DTW
EWR
FLL
HNL
IAD
JFK
LAS
LAX
MIA
OGG
ORD
PDX
PHL
PHX
PIT
RSW
SAN
SEA
SFO
TPA
YVR

Others I am questioning as a possibility include BWI, DSM, IAH, KOA, OMA, DSM and YYZ

The domestic 777s only fly to the following domestic cities: BOS, DEN, EWR, IAD, IAH, LAX, ORD, and SFO

727LOVER · Sat May 05, 2018 4:55 pm

Thanx guys so much for the answers, really appreciated

gwrudolph wrote:
The domestic 777s only fly to the following domestic cities: BOS, DEN, EWR, IAD, IAH, LAX, ORD, and SFO

How did BOS get so lucky? Darn it....LOL

flyguy84 · Sat May 05, 2018 4:59 pm

The domestic 777s are also being utilized to DUB/BCN from EWR this summer. They also fly between hubs as well as GUM and HNL.

SpaceshipDC10 · Sat May 05, 2018 5:06 pm

conflats wrote:
United is flying them on the EWR-DUB route since March.

You mean in Ireland?

gwrudolph · Sat May 05, 2018 5:11 pm

727LOVER wrote:
Thanx guys so much for the answers, really appreciated

gwrudolph wrote:
The domestic 777s only fly to the following domestic cities: BOS, DEN, EWR, IAD, IAH, LAX, ORD, and SFO

How did BOS get so lucky? Darn it....LOL

BOS-SFO in the 777A is only in the spring/summer season.

I think because they are trying to be competitive in the EWR-LAX, EWR-SFO, and BOS-SFO markets with 100% flatbeds upfront and there are only so many 752s in their fleet. BOS-SFO is one of those very strong markets for UA, so in peak spring/summer seasons, they can fill the back of 777s as well.

conflats · Sat May 05, 2018 5:13 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
conflats wrote:
United is flying them on the EWR-DUB route since March.

You mean in Ireland?

Yes, and dropped the second summer ewr-dub rotation as well

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CATIIIevery5yrs · Sat May 05, 2018 5:35 pm

Rode that United DC-10 a few times between ORD and MCO back in the late 90’s. Also had a 767 on it during that time frame as well.

United1 · Sat May 05, 2018 5:47 pm

gwrudolph wrote:
Domestically, the DC10s flew to many cities:

BOS
CLE
DEN
DTW
EWR
FLL
HNL
IAD
JFK
LAS
LAX
MIA
OGG
ORD
PDX
PHL
PHX
PIT
RSW
SAN
SEA
SFO
TPA
YVR

Others I am questioning as a possibility include BWI, DSM, IAH, KOA, OMA, DSM and YYZ

The domestic 777s only fly to the following domestic cities: BOS, DEN, EWR, IAD, IAH, LAX, ORD, and SFO

I can confirm OMA for you...I flew many a DC-10 trip between OMA and ORD back in the day. IIRC the flight was a DEN-OMA-ORD rotation.

Stitch · Sat May 05, 2018 6:14 pm

Back when UA operated SEA-NRT the three-class 777s flew between SEA and DEN and SEA and ORD.

drerx7 · Sat May 05, 2018 6:22 pm

I don't think we got the DC10 here at IAH...perhaps prior to deregulation. Before the merger HOU got 737-200/300s and 727-200s; where as IAH got DC8, 72S, 733/735/73S, and the 757. 757 was the largest we got to SFO and DEN until right after the merger was announced we had a 763 in UA colors run SFO-IAH-LIM.

N62NA · Sat May 05, 2018 7:32 pm

To the OP (and everyone else not aware): Check out the site http://www.departedflights.com

gwrudolph · Sat May 05, 2018 9:42 pm

N62NA wrote:
To the OP (and everyone else not aware): Check out the site http://www.departedflights.com

Thanks for sharing with everyone. The only issue with using departedflights as a source, of course, is that there are only limited (point in time) timetables in there so it doesn't always tell the full story.

DocLightning · Sat May 05, 2018 9:57 pm

Oddly, they'd sometimes have them on DTW-ORD.

Cubsrule · Sat May 05, 2018 10:16 pm

United1 wrote:
gwrudolph wrote:
Domestically, the DC10s flew to many cities:

BOS
CLE
DEN
DTW
EWR
FLL
HNL
IAD
JFK
LAS
LAX
MIA
OGG
ORD
PDX
PHL
PHX
PIT
RSW
SAN
SEA
SFO
TPA
YVR

Others I am questioning as a possibility include BWI, DSM, IAH, KOA, OMA, DSM and YYZ

The domestic 777s only fly to the following domestic cities: BOS, DEN, EWR, IAD, IAH, LAX, ORD, and SFO

I can confirm OMA for you...I flew many a DC-10 trip between OMA and ORD back in the day. IIRC the flight was a DEN-OMA-ORD rotation.

I’m fairly certain that BWI and OMA got them too. BWI had domestic 763s into the 00s.

JohnJ · Sat May 05, 2018 10:19 pm

Hartford (BDL) and Colorado Springs (COS) got them, too. I thought I read the reason cities like COS, DSM and OMA got them was to get them out of overnighting in DEN - something about high overnight parking charges or something? The BDL DC-10s operated on an ORD-BDL-BOS route. You can’t fly commercially between BDL and BOS today on any airplane, much less a DC-10.

usxguy · Sat May 05, 2018 10:31 pm

UA also threw 747s into DTW and MSP when NW would go on strike.

UA444 · Sat May 05, 2018 11:06 pm

DocLightning wrote:
Oddly, they'd sometimes have them on DTW-ORD.

They had them all the time. I regularly flew on them. They did write up until the 10-10s were retired in late 2000.

BobbyPSP · Sat May 05, 2018 11:09 pm

I was in NYC res for United starting in '79.

Many DC-10's started east of Chicago from EWR/BOS/PHL/DTW etc then on to the west coast LAX/SFO/SEA/PDX/DEN/LAS etc They also did transcons and Hawaii. They were a fantastic ride back then (I commented on it in another thread recently) 40F/214Y excellent pitch with the center 5 seats at 36" and I think 34" for the sets of 2 as the center rows were not in alignment them.

Service was from one lower lobe galley

CairnterriAIR · Sun May 06, 2018 12:36 am

BDL received DC-10’s for many years. The ORD route often had multiple 10’s a day and on occasion 747-100/200’s would be scheduled in the early to mid 70’s and during sub upgrades in the 80’s. But indeed the DC-10 was heavily rotated through BDL. There was for a time a BDL-BOS-LAX-NRT DC-10 Service....flight 90. Though I think it upgaged in LA to. 747.

Max Q · Sun May 06, 2018 2:02 am

UA444 wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
Oddly, they'd sometimes have them on DTW-ORD.

They had them all the time. I regularly flew on them. They did write up until the 10-10s were retired in late 2000.

What did they write ?!

adambrau · Sun May 06, 2018 2:12 am

In the early '90's I flew YVR - ORD on the DC-10 and then I think onto LGA. It was an awesome ride and as I need to fly to YVR next week the best option on UA is a 752 to SFO and connection to Airbus. Or fly AC or CX. But as a GS on UA I need to fly UA

pdxav8r · Sun May 06, 2018 2:28 am

March 1980, flew my first UA DC-10, PDX-HNL. Sitting at the next gate was a UA DC-10 waiting to head to ORD. Loved the Mad dog.

880dc8707 · Sun May 06, 2018 3:04 am

They had 5 r/t PHL ORD,I flew at least three times, also flew PHL LAX

Flighty · Sun May 06, 2018 3:31 am

The -10s burned a *lot* of fuel doing the job a 737-max10 can do now! Consider also the low load factors back then.

cedarjet · Sun May 06, 2018 4:44 am

The one that crashed in Iowa was routing SFO DEN ORD PHL as UA 232

77H · Sun May 06, 2018 5:57 am

Currently the 77A fleet can be found rotating through the hubs +HNL,GUM,NRT,OGG,BOS. YTD the 77A has also made scheduled appearances in KOA and CUN. Last year one of the EWR-SJU flights was operated by a 77A as well.

77H

hOMSaR · Sun May 06, 2018 6:10 am

strfyr51 wrote:
United might be risk averse right now. They don't have the support systems in place to send a big airplane like the B777-200A to a non hub city.
In times past you could put a CF-6 on a truck and move it anywhere you needed it. The PW4077 is a much different "animal" you can put it on a truck, But you'll STILL be hard pressed to get it to a small airport as you have to map EVERY overpass at 13'6" or below across country.
So it's cost prohibitive to fly anything much bigger than a B767 into a non-hub city..

I’m sorry, but it’s ridiculous to think that the logistics of an engine change are why UA doesn’t fly the 777 to airports like LAS, DTW, etc.

How often does UA need to change an engine outside of planned maintenance?

I’m sure they weren’t worried about how to truck an engine to Hawaii when they had the failure a few months back (HNL, by the way, is not a hub).

UA’s reasons for not flying 777s to most non-hub domestic destinations have to do with the economics of increased costs of flying a larger plane not being offset with increased revenues from extra capacity at likely lower yields.

jetero · Sun May 06, 2018 6:34 am

drerx7 wrote:
I don't think we got the DC10 here at IAH...perhaps prior to deregulation. Before the merger HOU got 737-200/300s and 727-200s; where as IAH got DC8, 72S, 733/735/73S, and the 757. 757 was the largest we got to SFO and DEN until right after the merger was announced we had a 763 in UA colors run SFO-IAH-LIM.

The SFO flight was a 763 leaving from the northwest banjo way before the merger, at least one season. I assume domestic configured. Houstonians had no convenient way to get to Asia (this was pre-IAH-NRT).

DC8s for UA at IAH I don’t remember.

Ionosphere · Sun May 06, 2018 6:47 am

cedarjet wrote:
The one that crashed in Iowa was routing SFO DEN ORD PHL as UA 232

UA 232 was DEN-ORD-PHL. The crew of UA232 had flown PHL-DEN before the accident flight.

77H · Sun May 06, 2018 10:18 am

hOMSaR wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
United might be risk averse right now. They don't have the support systems in place to send a big airplane like the B777-200A to a non hub city.
In times past you could put a CF-6 on a truck and move it anywhere you needed it. The PW4077 is a much different "animal" you can put it on a truck, But you'll STILL be hard pressed to get it to a small airport as you have to map EVERY overpass at 13'6" or below across country.
So it's cost prohibitive to fly anything much bigger than a B767 into a non-hub city..

I’m sorry, but it’s ridiculous to think that the logistics of an engine change are why UA doesn’t fly the 777 to airports like LAS, DTW, etc.

How often does UA need to change an engine outside of planned maintenance?

I’m sure they weren’t worried about how to truck an engine to Hawaii when they had the failure a few months back (HNL, by the way, is not a hub).

UA’s reasons for not flying 777s to most non-hub domestic destinations have to do with the economics of increased costs of flying a larger plane not being offset with increased revenues from extra capacity at likely lower yields.

But HNL is a maintenance base for UA and they do work on the 777s when they RON or in the event of a maintenance issue. As for getting large parts like an engine to HNL there are a multitude of freighters that operate into HNL everyday. It’s really not that difficult to secure space.

77H

gwrudolph · Sun May 06, 2018 2:33 pm

880dc8707 wrote:
They had 5 r/t PHL ORD,I flew at least three times, also flew PHL LAX

They flew quite a few DC10s out of PHL. Sometimes as many as 10 a day.

To ORD, they had as many as 6-7 on some schedules (06:00, 10:55, 13:00, 17:00, 18:30, and 19:30). DEN was almost always a DC10 in the morning, and sometimes in the evening. For many years, they flew nonstop to SFO in a DC10. LAX was originally a DC10, but moved to a 767.

777Jet · Tue May 08, 2018 4:38 am

I remember flying in the UA DC-10 Between LAX - DEN - LAX many times (90s), and my last LAX - DEN flight was in a UA 772 (N211UA). My first aborted landing / go-around was in a UA DC-10 landing in LAX from DEN (aircraft still on runway). It just so happens that the flight following that, a UA 744 LAX - SYD, had an engine failure so we returned to LAX and as I was flying as a UM I was supervised by a hot girl that worked for UA overnight in the hotel room UA provided (LAX Hilton) before being placed onto a QF flight the following night... 2 interesting flights in a row... Nonetheless, I'll never forget those LAX - DEN - LAX flights in the UA DC-10. Back in around 2000 I also logged a UA 744 on DEN - LAX before continuing on in the same aircraft LAX - SYD. LAX & DEN - 2 of my favourite airports!

IADCA · Wed May 09, 2018 12:40 pm

F9Animal wrote:
We had a good amount of DC-10's in LAS during the mid 1990's. Mainly ORD bound, and I believe we at one time had IAD with a DC-10.

You did. I flew IAD-LAS on a DC-10 in August of '96 or so.

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