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SteveXC500 wrote:Probably worse for the parents than the passengers.
usdcaguy wrote:Parents aren’t allowed to hit their kids anymore, so you have to take a lot of preventive measures, as they outline in the article. Still a terrible nuisance. They should make parents with kids sit in a predefined “kids’ zone” so the others don’t have to put up with all the screaming.
tonystan wrote:Kid has behavioral problems, it happens! Giving the kid a slap is not exactly helpful!
JannEejit wrote:Maybe the kid had sore ears or something ? Did anyone bother to investigate or was it easier to blame the kid ? And yes ear plugs can make a big difference. You can get foam based ear pellets that are no bigger than a pair of suppository tablets, which is good really, because if they don't work you can always shove them up your....
tonystan wrote:I love how you all just assume from a very brief video and article that it’s down to bad parenting! It may be, or it may not be. We simply don’t know as there is nothing in the article other than the mother admitting the child has behavioral problems and a suggestion that she seemed resigned to it.
Anyone who has any experience of dealing with children with special needs would completely understand if the kid has behavioral issues. We don’t live in the dark ages anymore and some form of understanding is needed.
Noise wrote:SteveXC500 wrote:Probably worse for the parents than the passengers.
Sometimes I find that hard to believe. In many cases, parents seem indifferent to the kid crying or acting up.
sevenair wrote:This ‘behavioural issues’ is just a modern fall back for poor and weak parenting, a society that looks for problems that aren’t there and people who seek as many oppression points as possible just like the allergy brigade.
This is nothing a good slap or two wouldn’t solve but that’s not the modern way. I doubt very much you’d see this 20-30 years ago. Another shocking display of the breakdown in society.
I never board anything that moves or enter a hotel without a stash of earplugs. My crewbag is usually stuffed with them.
The sad thing is that once you get the doctors involved it makes later life much more difficult when they come to applying for jobs that require a medical such as becoming a pilot. Accept there’s a problem, own it and act accordingly.
I partly pity the parents although my sympathy is limited as once he hits puberty and he’s taller and stronger than the parents and equally as out of control then life will get very ugly for them very quickly.
speedbird52 wrote:sevenair wrote:This ‘behavioural issues’ is just a modern fall back for poor and weak parenting, a society that looks for problems that aren’t there and people who seek as many oppression points as possible just like the allergy brigade.
This is nothing a good slap or two wouldn’t solve but that’s not the modern way. I doubt very much you’d see this 20-30 years ago. Another shocking display of the breakdown in society.
I never board anything that moves or enter a hotel without a stash of earplugs. My crewbag is usually stuffed with them.
The sad thing is that once you get the doctors involved it makes later life much more difficult when they come to applying for jobs that require a medical such as becoming a pilot. Accept there’s a problem, own it and act accordingly.
I partly pity the parents although my sympathy is limited as once he hits puberty and he’s taller and stronger than the parents and equally as out of control then life will get very ugly for them very quickly.
Just a fun fact: The few occasions my parents slapped me, I cannot remember why I was slapped. Meaning it is very likely that I will do that thing again. All I remember is that I was slapped. Punishment is a system that works on fear. And by making your kids afraid of an authority figure, rather than learning to respect that authority figure, you are making them complacent in oppression. Don't be surprised if you made your children afraid of you, to see them being complicit in a genocide. And for the record, I think behavioral issues is referring to legitimate mental conditions, such as autism.
I was smacked as a child. So was my partner. Neither of us fear our parents nor did we fear them. We simply didn’t make the same error twice if we were smacked.
Notwithstanding that in this instance the parents don’t smack their kid. They don’t even tell them off. They don’t make them sit on the seat and are happy to risk their child’s safety and the safety of others but I bet they still think they’re contenders for the parent of the year award.
speedbird52 wrote:Punishment is a system that works on fear. And by making your kids afraid of an authority figure, rather than learning to respect that authority figure, you are making them complacent in oppression. Don't be surprised if you made your children afraid of you, to see them being complicit in a genocide.
sevenair wrote:This ‘behavioural issues’ is just a modern fall back for poor and weak parenting, a society that looks for problems that aren’t there and people who seek as many oppression points as possible just like the allergy brigade.
This is nothing a good slap or two wouldn’t solve but that’s not the modern way. I doubt very much you’d see this 20-30 years ago. Another shocking display of the breakdown in society.
I never board anything that moves or enter a hotel without a stash of earplugs. My crewbag is usually stuffed with them.
The sad thing is that once you get the doctors involved it makes later life much more difficult when they come to applying for jobs that require a medical such as becoming a pilot. Accept there’s a problem, own it and act accordingly.
I partly pity the parents although my sympathy is limited as once he hits puberty and he’s taller and stronger than the parents and equally as out of control then life will get very ugly for them very quickly.
PatrickZ80 wrote:Last resort would be a piece of tape over the mouth of the kid. Yes, that's cruel but at least it's a good lesson for the child. They just got to learn not to scream and children of that age are perfectly capable of learning that. By letting them scream you're giving them a signal that it's okay to scream and next time they'll scream again because they can. In situations like these you got to be hard on the kid.
PatrickZ80 wrote:tonystan wrote:Kid has behavioral problems, it happens! Giving the kid a slap is not exactly helpful!
I do not agree with that. Upon birth everyone has behavioral problems, simply because the way we're supposed to behave isn't naturally in us. We have to learn as we grow up and learning is done by correcting bad behaviour. In this case the bad behaviour was never corrected and therefor remained. A 3-year old can perfectly be tought not to scream, but nobody ever tought him. I agree with the people who blame it on the parents, they're the ones that were supposed to correct this behaviour. They're the ones that failed.
posti wrote:You guys need to remember that discipline is a process, it doesn't happen overnight. Young children have to learn discipline and when you encounter them on a flight (or anywhere else) they may not be all the way there yet. Cut the parents a little slack, surely they're trying. Don't you remember what it was like having young children?
All of you advocating for physical discipline would be locked up for doing so. As a parent of young children, if I were in a situation like this I'd appreciate an offer to help by playing a game or a word of sympathy. If you insist on expressing your displeasure the most I'd accept would be a side eye glance. Any action to take it upon yourself to discipline my child will result in a closed fist disciplinary action from me in response.
Just relax and give folks a break, they're trying.
As a parent of young children, if I were in a situation like this I'd appreciate an offer to help by playing a game or a word of sympathy.
If you insist on expressing your displeasure the most I'd accept would be a side eye glance.
8 hours is not trying.
skipness1E wrote:1) My child has behavioral issues.
2) Should I book him on a long haul flight?
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo. Who DOES that?
stlgph wrote:
I'll just say it. They can be thankful I wasn't on board.
Aptivaboy wrote:This is why I have ZERO patience with parents. When I was a wee lad, we flew a lot. My mom NEVER allowed us to act up. We were expected to behave on the plane, period. Then again, this was the seventies and people still dressed up to fly so perhaps society was different. Regardless, the parents and perhaps cabin crew should have done something to calm the little rug rat. I totally understand that the young ones do act up and I can sympathize with parents over this. But then, I think about my widowed Mom flying with two small kids and not allowing any misbehavior and my level of understanding starts to wane...
"little rug rat" - looks like lack of empathy. You lost whatever your mom taught you about empathy , I assume?
sevenair wrote:Sedate or isolate the problem and don't fly. Simples. You do not have the right to fly. If you can't fly without causing a disturbance then tough luck. In a world where you can get thrown off for swearing or wearing a shirt with a swear word on yet it's ok to terrorise an entire economy cabin for a transatlantic flight then we have a serious problem.
It's an odd state of affairs when society quite happily mutilates boys without anaesthesia yet a clip around the ears will get you jail time.
What a wonderful world we live in!