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fbgdavidson wrote:Just accept you won't get to visit midflight and work around that...ask about visiting on the ground before departure (as long as you board as early as you can) or after.
A couple of years back I was invited up to the flightdeck on an AA 757. The wife and I were flying STT-MIA-JFK and at STT we were the first to board via the stairs and the captain greeted us and asked if we could wait a second as the FAs were just tidying things up. Less than a minute later we were onboard....fast forward to a few hours later where we board our completely different 757 for the hop to JFK. Who greets us by the door but the same captain! He asked the wife and I if we wanted to come forward into the cockpit whilst the flight prepared to depart. My wife dropped me in it and said I learned to fly with the Royal Air Force, at which point I'm put in the left seat with his hat on and start working through the pre-flight checks with the FO. I get as far as firing up the APU when the purser from FC lets the captain know that we are pushing back shortly and sadly the fun had to end shortly thereafter...I was on a high for the rest of the night!
Other than flying privately it was the first time I've been in the cockpit since just after 9/11.
BoeingGuy wrote:Let’s ask some US based flight crew members on this forum for you input.
A regular flyer, who is well aware of 9/11 and security rules, approaches you during a flight and asks to visit the flight deck in flight. This person knows full well that is illegal but asks you anyway.
How do you react? What would you think if that happened?
a340crew wrote:Really you can't even stand at the front galley waiting for the toilet to open because congregating is a security concern....
As a pilot I can tell you if a flight attendant called me and told me this, given its a grown adult asking and not a 4 year old kid, the cockpit would go on lockdown and we are looking for somewhere to divert. I am also sure there will be some guys waiting when we arrive to ask the individual some questions.
In the USA an announcement is made on most airlines "The flight deck door is at the front of the aircraft and unauthorized persons are not permitted access"
a340crew wrote:In the USA an announcement is made on most airlines "The flight deck door is at the front of the aircraft and unauthorized persons are not permitted access"
KLDC10 wrote:a340crew wrote:Really you can't even stand at the front galley waiting for the toilet to open because congregating is a security concern....
As a pilot I can tell you if a flight attendant called me and told me this, given its a grown adult asking and not a 4 year old kid, the cockpit would go on lockdown and we are looking for somewhere to divert. I am also sure there will be some guys waiting when we arrive to ask the individual some questions.
In the USA an announcement is made on most airlines "The flight deck door is at the front of the aircraft and unauthorized persons are not permitted access"
And you are a pilot for which airline exactly?
BoeingGuy wrote:VSMUT wrote:You are paranoid, nobody is going to arrest or question you for asking in Europe. It isn't illegal to ask in the first place, so the police wouldn't even bother to interfere. I know, because I have asked a ton of times over the past few years, and I have yet to be questioned, arrested or warned.
And FYI, a lot more than one major european airline allows jumpseaters.
Next time you are in the US ask for a jumpseat ride in flight, smart guy. See how far you get.
BoeingGuy wrote:Further, the crew probably thinks you are either a terrorist or, more likely, a complete idiot for asking.
KLDC10 wrote:And you are a pilot for which airline exactly?
a340crew wrote:In the USA an announcement is made on most airlines "The flight deck door is at the front of the aircraft and unauthorized persons are not permitted access"
IPFreely wrote:a340crew wrote:In the USA an announcement is made on most airlines "The flight deck door is at the front of the aircraft and unauthorized persons are not permitted access"
Still wondering which airlines announce this? I've never heard it on Alaska, Allegiant, American, Delta, Southwest, United, or any of the regionals I've flown -- not even once. But I've never flown Frontier, Hawaiian, JetBlue, and some regionals. Are they the ones who announce this? Do they announce it on every flight like the rest of the safety briefing?
a340crew wrote:
In the USA an announcement is made on most airlines "The flight deck door is at the front of the aircraft and unauthorized persons are not permitted access"
Super80Fan wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:ACDC8 wrote:"Inappropriate and amateurish"? "Foolish and disrespectful"?
I travel enough in the US to know that there is nothing wrong with asking
If you are asking flight crews to let you visit a flight deck in flight in the US in 2018 you are really a fool.
Clearly you know nothing about the industry. And you aren’t intelligent enough to know it. One of these days you are going to rub a flight crew the wrong way and you will be in trouble.
Are you talking about asking to visit mid-flight or talking about visiting all-together, such as before/after the flight?
ACDC8 wrote:a340crew wrote:
Really you can't even stand at the front galley waiting for the toilet to open because congregating is a security concern....
As a pilot I can tell you if a flight attendant called me and told me this, given its a grown adult asking and not a 4 year old kid, the cockpit would go on lockdown and we are looking for somewhere to divert. I am also sure there will be some guys waiting when we arrive to ask the individual some questions.
In the USA an announcement is made on most airlines "The flight deck door is at the front of the aircraft and unauthorized persons are not permitted access"
What a load of rubbish!
The cockpit does not go “in lockdown” if a grow adult respectfully asks a question. No one will be waiting for you to ask questions when you arrive.
But here’s a question. Something we see everyday all over the US. If some pax are waiting in front to use the loo, “congregating” being the term? Do those pax cause the flight deck to “lockdown” as well? Will those pax have someone waiting to ask “questions” upon arrival? Of course not. They’re politely asked to please return to their seats and wait there. The plane doesn’t go into Def Con 4 and the Men in Black aren’t “waiting” for them either.
studentdrbev wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:Let’s ask some US based flight crew members on this forum for you input.
A regular flyer, who is well aware of 9/11 and security rules, approaches you during a flight and asks to visit the flight deck in flight. This person knows full well that is illegal but asks you anyway.
How do you react? What would you think if that happened?
Not every regular flyer flies with airlines flying into the US and certainly not everyone lives in the US, do they?
ual747den wrote:I am amazed by the arguing back and forth on here about this subject. If you are flying in the US don't even ask to visit the cockpit inflight! It is not just a company policy not to let you in but it is against the law. If you are a grown adult asking such a question it is a little suspicious and even just the slightest little thing or miscommunication could take that from a little suspicious to a lot suspicious. You already know that it is not allowed and that the crew had peers who were murdered because the wrong people gained access to the flight deck so it is insensitive to the crew to even ask. As an adult and as an aviation enthusiast you know that its not allowed and you know why so just leave it alone and if you would like to visit the flight deck wait until everyone else has deboarded and ask the crew then, they will be happy to let you go up there and take some pictures. If you have your kids with you they will most likely be happy to let them sit down in the seat and take pictures wearing the pilots hat!
BoeingGuy wrote:studentdrbev wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:Let’s ask some US based flight crew members on this forum for you input.
A regular flyer, who is well aware of 9/11 and security rules, approaches you during a flight and asks to visit the flight deck in flight. This person knows full well that is illegal but asks you anyway.
How do you react? What would you think if that happened?
Not every regular flyer flies with airlines flying into the US and certainly not everyone lives in the US, do they?
No but we were discussing whether it’s a smart idea to ask for an in flight cockpit visit on a US carrier.
BoeingGuy wrote:Super80Fan wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:
If you are asking flight crews to let you visit a flight deck in flight in the US in 2018 you are really a fool.
Clearly you know nothing about the industry. And you aren’t intelligent enough to know it. One of these days you are going to rub a flight crew the wrong way and you will be in trouble.
Are you talking about asking to visit mid-flight or talking about visiting all-together, such as before/after the flight?
We were talking about asking for an in-flight flight deck visit on a US carrier. Despite the fact that I work in the industry and even have a bit of an airplane security background, a couple of posters think they know more and were laughing at me when I stated it’s not even a good idea to ask.
ual747den wrote:You already know that it is not allowed and that the crew had peers who were murdered because the wrong people gained access to the flight deck so it is insensitive to the crew to even ask. As an adult and as an aviation enthusiast you know that its not allowed and you know why so just leave it alone
Nicoeddf wrote:ual747den wrote:I am amazed by the arguing back and forth on here about this subject. If you are flying in the US don't even ask to visit the cockpit inflight! It is not just a company policy not to let you in but it is against the law. If you are a grown adult asking such a question it is a little suspicious and even just the slightest little thing or miscommunication could take that from a little suspicious to a lot suspicious. You already know that it is not allowed and that the crew had peers who were murdered because the wrong people gained access to the flight deck so it is insensitive to the crew to even ask. As an adult and as an aviation enthusiast you know that its not allowed and you know why so just leave it alone and if you would like to visit the flight deck wait until everyone else has deboarded and ask the crew then, they will be happy to let you go up there and take some pictures. If you have your kids with you they will most likely be happy to let them sit down in the seat and take pictures wearing the pilots hat!
You see, and I am amazed by the amount of paranoia going on between you and BoeingGuy. It's irrational and childish to imply Police hauling you off the aircraft for politely asking if a Cockpit visit possible or not. Not everybody is an industry insider, not everybody knows "the law".
And you see, I hazard the guess that none of the 9/11 terrorists asked politely if he might, if it isn't too much of a disturbance, just visit the flight deck and then pulled off their stunt.
Hence, I suggest getting back to reality. Reality is: Nobody planning taking control of a plane is asking the F/As if he just might visit upfront. Further reality is, that this cracking down on people asking polite questions is one of the least topics anybody should invest time in. Are they stupid for asking? Surely not. A bit ignorant? Maybe. A safety hazard? God, no.
A professional crew does exactly one thing: Smiling back and politely explaining, that a flight deck visit, unfortunately, is not possible inflight. But that maybe he/she can get a glimpse later at the gate.
No, lets stop the drama, please.
BoeingGuy wrote:Nicoeddf wrote:ual747den wrote:I am amazed by the arguing back and forth on here about this subject. If you are flying in the US don't even ask to visit the cockpit inflight! It is not just a company policy not to let you in but it is against the law. If you are a grown adult asking such a question it is a little suspicious and even just the slightest little thing or miscommunication could take that from a little suspicious to a lot suspicious. You already know that it is not allowed and that the crew had peers who were murdered because the wrong people gained access to the flight deck so it is insensitive to the crew to even ask. As an adult and as an aviation enthusiast you know that its not allowed and you know why so just leave it alone and if you would like to visit the flight deck wait until everyone else has deboarded and ask the crew then, they will be happy to let you go up there and take some pictures. If you have your kids with you they will most likely be happy to let them sit down in the seat and take pictures wearing the pilots hat!
You see, and I am amazed by the amount of paranoia going on between you and BoeingGuy. It's irrational and childish to imply Police hauling you off the aircraft for politely asking if a Cockpit visit possible or not. Not everybody is an industry insider, not everybody knows "the law".
And you see, I hazard the guess that none of the 9/11 terrorists asked politely if he might, if it isn't too much of a disturbance, just visit the flight deck and then pulled off their stunt.
Hence, I suggest getting back to reality. Reality is: Nobody planning taking control of a plane is asking the F/As if he just might visit upfront. Further reality is, that this cracking down on people asking polite questions is one of the least topics anybody should invest time in. Are they stupid for asking? Surely not. A bit ignorant? Maybe. A safety hazard? God, no.
A professional crew does exactly one thing: Smiling back and politely explaining, that a flight deck visit, unfortunately, is not possible inflight. But that maybe he/she can get a glimpse later at the gate.
No, lets stop the drama, please.
No, it's not drama. There's now another similar thread on the same topic. Between the two threads, at least three flight crew members have posted the same thing. If someone asks in the US or certain other countries, there is a good chance they are going to be met by security when they get off the plane.
Not sure why this is such a hard concept for some people to grasp. I'm sure a crew is going to use some judgement on their part, but it's still not a good idea.
CCGPV wrote:There's always white-knight busybodies in every industry looking to be the hero. Its unfortunate you take such a stance for no reason other than to "teach the public a lesson." smdh
IPFreely wrote:CCGPV wrote:There's always white-knight busybodies in every industry looking to be the hero. Its unfortunate you take such a stance for no reason other than to "teach the public a lesson." smdh
Pretending to “teach lessons” is what grumpy old men do. Just laugh and move on.
IPFreely wrote:CCGPV wrote:There's always white-knight busybodies in every industry looking to be the hero. Its unfortunate you take such a stance for no reason other than to "teach the public a lesson." smdh
Pretending to “teach lessons” is what grumpy old men do. Just laugh and move on.
BoeingGuy wrote:IPFreely wrote:CCGPV wrote:There's always white-knight busybodies in every industry looking to be the hero. Its unfortunate you take such a stance for no reason other than to "teach the public a lesson." smdh
Pretending to “teach lessons” is what grumpy old men do. Just laugh and move on.
One more time. I'm not old. I'm not grumpy. I've yet to see you post much of anything of any intelligence on any thread. This is all you can come up with? Not like you'd post anything of substance or intelligence.
Anyway, I'll respond to CCGPV. Not sure what exactly is your point.
I'm strictly stating it's not a good idea. Several crew members have posted the same. There are 2-3 people on this thread who keep insisting they know better and keep making a big drama out of my very simple recommendation that it's not smart to ask to visit the flight deck in flight in the US or some other countries. Read the responses from several pilots and flight attendants on this and several other threads.
However, you are partially correct. It's pointless to argue with those other 2-3 people. Like they always say, never argue with an idiot. I'll stick to more productive threads.
CCGPV wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:IPFreely wrote:
Pretending to “teach lessons” is what grumpy old men do. Just laugh and move on.
One more time. I'm not old. I'm not grumpy. I've yet to see you post much of anything of any intelligence on any thread. This is all you can come up with? Not like you'd post anything of substance or intelligence.
Anyway, I'll respond to CCGPV. Not sure what exactly is your point.
I'm strictly stating it's not a good idea. Several crew members have posted the same. There are 2-3 people on this thread who keep insisting they know better and keep making a big drama out of my very simple recommendation that it's not smart to ask to visit the flight deck in flight in the US or some other countries. Read the responses from several pilots and flight attendants on this and several other threads.
However, you are partially correct. It's pointless to argue with those other 2-3 people. Like they always say, never argue with an idiot. I'll stick to more productive threads.
I'm just pointing out how wrong you are in saying that law enforcement will act upon someone asking to see the cockpit. You can call them all you want but as soon as they talk to them and find out its an innocent question they will walk away laughing. The only thing that accomplishes is making law enforcement waste their time on non-issues like people asking to see the cockpit. You are not doing a thing to protect the skies by trying to be a hero. Its rediculous.
You want to be a gatekeeper SO bad but it just comes across as try-hard. Everyone knows it.
Next time you pass through can you bring me a coffee, please?
BoeingGuy wrote:CCGPV wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:
One more time. I'm not old. I'm not grumpy. I've yet to see you post much of anything of any intelligence on any thread. This is all you can come up with? Not like you'd post anything of substance or intelligence.
Anyway, I'll respond to CCGPV. Not sure what exactly is your point.
I'm strictly stating it's not a good idea. Several crew members have posted the same. There are 2-3 people on this thread who keep insisting they know better and keep making a big drama out of my very simple recommendation that it's not smart to ask to visit the flight deck in flight in the US or some other countries. Read the responses from several pilots and flight attendants on this and several other threads.
However, you are partially correct. It's pointless to argue with those other 2-3 people. Like they always say, never argue with an idiot. I'll stick to more productive threads.
I'm just pointing out how wrong you are in saying that law enforcement will act upon someone asking to see the cockpit. You can call them all you want but as soon as they talk to them and find out its an innocent question they will walk away laughing. The only thing that accomplishes is making law enforcement waste their time on non-issues like people asking to see the cockpit. You are not doing a thing to protect the skies by trying to be a hero. Its rediculous.
You want to be a gatekeeper SO bad but it just comes across as try-hard. Everyone knows it.
Next time you pass through can you bring me a coffee, please?
You are way off the mark. I'll take that beer you are going to bring me though.
Several of you are way over exaggerating and over-dramatizing my comments. What part of "it's not a good idea" now that I've said several times don't you understand?
However, I did say there is a risk that security could meet you at the gate. At least three airline employees have also stated that on this thread.
Now is that difficult? Thanks for getting me that IPA.
This has turned into a stupid thread all the way around. The moderators should lock it. It's a waste of all of our time.
CCGPV wrote:If I were a flight attendant I'd be happy to serve you whatever drink you wish as it's what I spend most of the time at work doing.
You claimed in multiple posts that asking to see the cockpit would result in being interrogated, arrested or kicked off the flight. That simply would not happen.
IPFreely wrote:CCGPV wrote:If I were a flight attendant I'd be happy to serve you whatever drink you wish as it's what I spend most of the time at work doing.
You claimed in multiple posts that asking to see the cockpit would result in being interrogated, arrested or kicked off the flight. That simply would not happen.
I think you are missing the phony but fun drama.
Your version is something like this...
Passenger; "Excuse me, I have never been in an airliner cockpit, would I be able to visit?"
FA: "I'm sorry, that is not allowed in flight but if you stay in your seat after arrival at the gate there might be time for a visit after the flight"
Passenger: "OK, thank you."
The grumpy old man version is sometihng like this...
Passenger: "Excuse me, I have never been in an airliner cockpit, would I be able to visit?"
FA: "CODE RED CODE RED ALL CREW MAN YOUR BATTLE STATIONS"
Pilot: "MAYDAY MAYDAY WE ARE DIVERTING DEFCON STATUS 3 SCRAMBLE INTERCEPTORS AND FBI TO COORDINATE GROUND INTERCEPT"
Passenger: "So I guess that's a no?"
While your version is of course accurate it is not nearly as dramatic and exciting as the grumpy old man version.
BoeingGuy wrote:IPFreely wrote:CCGPV wrote:If I were a flight attendant I'd be happy to serve you whatever drink you wish as it's what I spend most of the time at work doing.
You claimed in multiple posts that asking to see the cockpit would result in being interrogated, arrested or kicked off the flight. That simply would not happen.
I think you are missing the phony but fun drama.
Your version is something like this...
Passenger; "Excuse me, I have never been in an airliner cockpit, would I be able to visit?"
FA: "I'm sorry, that is not allowed in flight but if you stay in your seat after arrival at the gate there might be time for a visit after the flight"
Passenger: "OK, thank you."
The grumpy old man version is sometihng like this...
Passenger: "Excuse me, I have never been in an airliner cockpit, would I be able to visit?"
FA: "CODE RED CODE RED ALL CREW MAN YOUR BATTLE STATIONS"
Pilot: "MAYDAY MAYDAY WE ARE DIVERTING DEFCON STATUS 3 SCRAMBLE INTERCEPTORS AND FBI TO COORDINATE GROUND INTERCEPT"
Passenger: "So I guess that's a no?"
While your version is of course accurate it is not nearly as dramatic and exciting as the grumpy old man version.
Thanks for proving my point exactly. You've yet to post anything intelligent on any thread.
Anyway, I hope you get all your homework finished tonight for Jr. High School tomorrow.
CCGPV wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:IPFreely wrote:
I think you are missing the phony but fun drama.
Your version is something like this...
Passenger; "Excuse me, I have never been in an airliner cockpit, would I be able to visit?"
FA: "I'm sorry, that is not allowed in flight but if you stay in your seat after arrival at the gate there might be time for a visit after the flight"
Passenger: "OK, thank you."
The grumpy old man version is sometihng like this...
Passenger: "Excuse me, I have never been in an airliner cockpit, would I be able to visit?"
FA: "CODE RED CODE RED ALL CREW MAN YOUR BATTLE STATIONS"
Pilot: "MAYDAY MAYDAY WE ARE DIVERTING DEFCON STATUS 3 SCRAMBLE INTERCEPTORS AND FBI TO COORDINATE GROUND INTERCEPT"
Passenger: "So I guess that's a no?"
While your version is of course accurate it is not nearly as dramatic and exciting as the grumpy old man version.
Thanks for proving my point exactly. You've yet to post anything intelligent on any thread.
Anyway, I hope you get all your homework finished tonight for Jr. High School tomorrow.
Man, you got me there. Good way to show maturity!
IPFreely wrote:CCGPV wrote:If I were a flight attendant I'd be happy to serve you whatever drink you wish as it's what I spend most of the time at work doing.
You claimed in multiple posts that asking to see the cockpit would result in being interrogated, arrested or kicked off the flight. That simply would not happen.
I think you are missing the phony but fun drama.
Your version is something like this...
Passenger; "Excuse me, I have never been in an airliner cockpit, would I be able to visit?"
FA: "I'm sorry, that is not allowed in flight but if you stay in your seat after arrival at the gate there might be time for a visit after the flight"
Passenger: "OK, thank you."
The grumpy old man version is sometihng like this...
Passenger: "Excuse me, I have never been in an airliner cockpit, would I be able to visit?"
FA: "CODE RED CODE RED ALL CREW MAN YOUR BATTLE STATIONS"
Pilot: "MAYDAY MAYDAY WE ARE DIVERTING DEFCON STATUS 3 SCRAMBLE INTERCEPTORS AND FBI TO COORDINATE GROUND INTERCEPT"
Passenger: "So I guess that's a no?"
While your version is of course accurate it is not nearly as dramatic and exciting as the grumpy old man version.
Nicoeddf wrote:IPFreely wrote:CCGPV wrote:If I were a flight attendant I'd be happy to serve you whatever drink you wish as it's what I spend most of the time at work doing.
You claimed in multiple posts that asking to see the cockpit would result in being interrogated, arrested or kicked off the flight. That simply would not happen.
I think you are missing the phony but fun drama.
Your version is something like this...
Passenger; "Excuse me, I have never been in an airliner cockpit, would I be able to visit?"
FA: "I'm sorry, that is not allowed in flight but if you stay in your seat after arrival at the gate there might be time for a visit after the flight"
Passenger: "OK, thank you."
The grumpy old man version is sometihng like this...
Passenger: "Excuse me, I have never been in an airliner cockpit, would I be able to visit?"
FA: "CODE RED CODE RED ALL CREW MAN YOUR BATTLE STATIONS"
Pilot: "MAYDAY MAYDAY WE ARE DIVERTING DEFCON STATUS 3 SCRAMBLE INTERCEPTORS AND FBI TO COORDINATE GROUND INTERCEPT"
Passenger: "So I guess that's a no?"
While your version is of course accurate it is not nearly as dramatic and exciting as the grumpy old man version.
Very accurate description of what is happening on this thread.
But funny it is how the not-grumpy not-old man is diverting the attention to the point that everybody else is stupid and an, and I quote, idiot.
By the way BoeingGuy...you always quote 2-3 people on here who are crew and agree with you. That doesn't make your point any more valid. My 125.000+ thousand colleagues would disagree with you, including those in cabin and flight deck. They would much rather prefer the professional version.
But hey, perspective can be different I guess.
TailDragging wrote:@BoeingGuy, you're not going to be hauled off a plane for asking to see the flight deck while in flight as long as you are respectful and obey crew instructions. I fly several times a year in the United States on US airlines, mainly UA/WN; a mix of INTL and domestic. As a private pilot and an Aerospace Engineering student, I love planes and the chance of being able to visit a flight deck in flight would be amazing. Yes, I know that legally in the US it is not allowed. I've asked the head FA several times whether flying , F,J, or Y. Every single time they call the flight deck and the answer is always no. They usally will tell me to come back once we get into gate and I get to visit then. I've had wonderful conversations with pilots in the fight deck at the gate. Sat in the captains seat several times with the hat. Once I got to sit in a 787 for a good twenty mindsets at SFO with the crew. Not once over the years have law enforcement met me at the gate to haul me off.
BoeingGuy wrote:
No, it's not drama. There's now another similar thread on the same topic. Between the two threads, at least three flight crew members have posted the same thing. If someone asks in the US or certain other countries, there is a good chance they are going to be met by security when they get off the plane.
Not sure why this is such a hard concept for some people to grasp. I'm sure a crew is going to use some judgement on their part, but it's still not a good idea.
ual747den wrote:There are several odd things about this post but I have to ask, if you are familiar with the industry and the rules and regulations in place why would you ask in the first place and why do you continue to ask every time you fly?
BoeingGuy wrote:
Nice. You just told an actual pilot that his response about action a pilot would take is a load of rubbish.
This is why I stopped posting on this tread for awhile.
What’s the old saying? Never argue with an......
I’m going to laugh when one of you jokers ask the wrong crew for an in-flight visit and get hauled off by the police sometime.
BoeingGuy wrote:What I have a problem with is those 2-3 people putting laughing emojis and otherwise berating others who don’t agree with their opinion.
BoeingGuy wrote:Next time you are in the US ask for a jumpseat ride in flight, smart guy. See how far you get.
chimborazo wrote:Regarding the arguing above: I have no idea what their policy is as I've never looked into it. I asked: one time I was allowed, another time I was respectfully denied.
IPFreely wrote:Don't you mean that because you asked, the airplane diverted to the nearest airport and upon landing you were met by security and dragged away for interrogation?
aa87 wrote:XAM2175 wrote:Yeah, there's an established procedure and it's really easy!
1) be a kid
2) ask before 2001
In the late 70s as a kid I used to pester flight attendants with questions about flying and their jobs. Once, and my first time, was brought up front on a National DC-10 mid-flight. What struck me first was looking out front and realizing it seemed we were suspended, no movement. I also thought the DC-10 power panel looked like a big cash register.
longhauler wrote:IPFreely wrote:Don't you mean that because you asked, the airplane diverted to the nearest airport and upon landing you were met by security and dragged away for interrogation?
I had to chuckle, as a few weeks ago, a passenger on a SFO-YYZ flight I was working asked if he could visit the cockpit. The Flight Attendant he asked graciously told him why not and invited him to stop in when deplaning. 99.999% of the time, that is how it is handled. At no time did anyone think it was anything other than an aviation enthusiast asking to see something we know he would dearly enjoy.
Not everyone is as well informed as us. Most don't fly all that often, and who knows ... the last time he had the courage to ask may actually have been before rules changed.
What we did though, is make up a bag of "aviation stuff" to give him, that we have for passengers .... stickers, wings, post cards, NAVI magazine, etc.
When he did visit after landing, we uploaded our weather maps and route to his iPad. (We don't carry printed maps any more, as that was a common "gift" as well). Took his picture in the right seat, beaming. Sadly, that's all we can do these days.
PanzerPowner wrote:Damn! I was born in the wrong generation. Curse being born after 2001... removes most of the fun of flying.
aeromoe wrote:PanzerPowner wrote:Damn! I was born in the wrong generation. Curse being born after 2001... removes most of the fun of flying.
Yes, there was much fun to be had "back in the day." Been in the cockpit while inflight of: British Midland Viscount inbound to Heathrow, Royal Air Force VC-10 crossing the Atlantic, BA Concorde, Lufthansa A340-200 crossing the Atlantic, Reeve Aleutian L188 Electra up in Alaska, as well as some others. During the 80s and 90s mind you...yes...it is my "back in the day" and yes, it was definitely a different time for airlines and airline enthusiasts.
British Midland Viscount on final to Heathrow in 1985:
British Midland Viscount on final to Heathrow in 1985:
Concorde G-BOAE during Concorde Fan Club flight in 1985:
Royal Air Force VC-10 over the North Atlantic in 1987:
Reeve Aleutian Electra over Alaska in 1999:
Reeve Aleutian Electra over Alaska in 1999:
Aeromoe