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is there somewhere in the world where smoking in commercial planes is still allowed for passengers?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:29 pm

I know it might sound very odd, but I would love to try that once, even though I bet that on the long run it would get nasty. I was born too late to be able to do it in Europe, but maybe somewhere else in the world?
Otherwise, can you tell me how it felt back in the day when it was possible? I bet it was fun( for smokers at least!)
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Re: is there somewhere in the world where smoking in commercial planes is still allowed for passengers?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:27 pm

I remember it when it was allowed in the US.

As a non-smoker, I considered it nothing other than totally nasty. So many people in such a small space made it overwhelming.
 
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Re: is there somewhere in the world where smoking in commercial planes is still allowed for passengers?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:29 pm

I for one am glad it's completely gone from at least the US. The smoke literally makes my lungs reactive and I have to carry an inhaler to compensate.

I do clearly remember the ash trays in the arm rests from some time in the 80's and maybe early 90's?
 
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Re: is there somewhere in the world where smoking in commercial planes is still allowed for passengers?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:26 pm

I remember smoking was still allowed in August 1995 on a BA flight LHR - LAX but was prohibited on the return flight LAX - LHR in September 1995.
 
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Re: is there somewhere in the world where smoking in commercial planes is still allowed for passengers?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:25 pm

Maybe some small local airline from a third world country still allows it, but it's questionable if you want to fly on such an airline in the first place. Mostly they're not exactly known for their safety culture.
 
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Re: is there somewhere in the world where smoking in commercial planes is still allowed for passengers?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:31 pm

Hopefully not.
 
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Re: is there somewhere in the world where smoking in commercial planes is still allowed for passengers?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:04 pm

AY allowed smoking on Japanese flights until late 90's, but not on Chinese flights... They probably didn't want the heavy smoking Chinese people to poison the air.
 
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Re: is there somewhere in the world where smoking in commercial planes is still allowed for passengers?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:15 pm

Flew JAL LHR-NRT-SYD in 96, and there were seats reserved at the back of the aircraft just for smokers to wander down from non-smoking seat to.
IIRC the headrest said something like
“Limited to 10 mns max use”
 
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Re: is there somewhere in the world where smoking in commercial planes is still allowed for passengers?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:03 pm

From the point of view of a non-smoker, it was awful. After a flight, you stunk, your clothes stunk, your hair stunk, even the things in your checked baggage stunk. The cabin air was a blue haze. Even after the non-smoking sections were introduced, it was still awful. If you wanted a non-smoking seat and were late to the gate (close connection) they just moved the no-smoking sign further back. After a week of travel, you had to scrub the tar off of your glasses and other possessions. It was also a serious maintenance problem for the airlines. All the little valves and things in the air conditioning systems got coated with tar and stuck/operated sluggishly.
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Re: is there somewhere in the world where smoking in commercial planes is still allowed for passengers?

Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:12 pm

I used to fly on KE 747s in the smallish business cabin in the mid-late 80s. As I remember it, the cabin was divided into Smoking Optional and Smoking Mandatory (or, so it seemed at the time.)
 
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Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:25 am

It was terrible, believe us. That's one thing I am NOT missing. I have particularly bad memories of a peculiarly horrible flight: cramped seat, DC-9, last-row, smoking section & plenty of turbulence. Between the stench, the noise, and the rollercoaster ride I got off feeling positively ill...

Last time I was faced with a smoking passenger it was on a Syrianair plane in the early '00s, onboard a clearly non smoking flight. One of the passengers got very upset both by the very unruly passenger, who was refusing to extinguish the cigarette, and equally so by the utter lack of interest by the cabin crew. Long story short, a brawl ensued and the cigarette was forcibly extracted from the pax mouth and extinguished on his jacket! Very satisfying.
 
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Re: is there somewhere in the world where smoking in commercial planes is still allowed for passengers?

Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:25 am

My last flight with smoking allowed in the last couple of rows was with Condor on a FRA-HOG-FRA flight in 2003.
It was extremely awful.
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Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:15 pm

While I’ve never really flown where smoking was universally allowed, Turkmenistan Airlines on domestic flights did not seem to care whether you smoked or not. On a flight from Ashgabat to either Mary or Turkmenbashi there were 5 or 6 people smoking on the flight - this was in 2015. Airlines in Iran were the last to outlaw smoking on domestic flights I think - as recently as a few years ago there were smoking areas on flights, but I never saw anyone light up.
 
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Re: is there somewhere in the world where smoking in commercial planes is still allowed for passengers?

Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:47 pm

Further research shows Turkmenistan Airlines will "allow" smoking on pretty much any flight, including those two and from the UK.
 
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Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:19 pm

dredgy wrote:
Further research shows Turkmenistan Airlines will "allow" smoking on pretty much any flight, including those two and from the UK.


I am surprised considering Berdimuhamedow is the former health minister, and is a known anti-smoker and is planning to outlaw tobacco by 2025 as stated on Radio Free Europe.
 
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Re: is there somewhere in the world where smoking in commercial planes is still allowed for passengers?

Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:04 pm

Just go sit in your car for 4 hours, light up, and leave the windows rolled up. Same thing.
 
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Re: is there somewhere in the world where smoking in commercial planes is still allowed for passengers?

Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:42 pm

The cockpit of a few airlines I have been on during turnarounds smells strongly of cigarette smoke.
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Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:41 am

smallvoyageur wrote:
dredgy wrote:
Further research shows Turkmenistan Airlines will "allow" smoking on pretty much any flight, including those two and from the UK.


I am surprised considering Berdimuhamedow is the former health minister, and is a known anti-smoker and is planning to outlaw tobacco by 2025 as stated on Radio Free Europe.


Isn’t really allowed, but just extreme staff indifference. I started reading reviews on Skytrax to make sure my experience wasn’t a one off and it’s a common complaint, among others such as drunk passengers being allowed unchecked and being able to keep your seat in lie-flat mode during takeoff and landing.
 
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Re: is there somewhere in the world where smoking in commercial planes is still allowed for passengers?

Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:34 am

Don't remember it on planes in the USA when I was a kid in the 1980's and 90's, but it was allowed. The only flight I've ever been able to smoke on was an Air Berlin flight from TXL-PMI in 2003. The next year it was out outlawed.

Regardless of the health debate, flights over six hours would be much easier if I could smoke. ATL is the only airport left in the USA, that I know of, that still has smoking lounges post security. Therefore, I always connect in ATL if possible.

masgniw wrote:
Just go sit in your car for 4 hours, light up, and leave the windows rolled up. Same thing.


Not really. The air in the cabin is recirculated and exchanged with outside air every few minutes. As a smoker, I can't even smoke in the car for any length of time with the windows rolled up without feeling nauseous and sick. When the room or cabin is vented, it's no problem.

Figuring it takes a smoker 40+ years of directly inhaling cigarettes all day before the succumb to illness, a little secondhand smoke isn't going to hurt non-smokers in the long term.
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Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:44 am

pwm2txlhopper wrote:
Regardless of the health debate, flights over six hours would be much easier for me if I could smoke.


Fixed that for you.
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:47 am

masgniw wrote:
pwm2txlhopper wrote:
Regardless of the health debate, flights over six hours would be much easier for me if I could smoke.


Fixed that for you.


And other smokers.

Not here to get into a debate about smoking in public places. That was the norm for decades, and non-smokers didn't fall over dead.
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:40 pm

pwm2txlhopper wrote:
masgniw wrote:
pwm2txlhopper wrote:
Regardless of the health debate, flights over six hours would be much easier for me if I could smoke.


Fixed that for you.


And other smokers.

Not here to get into a debate about smoking in public places. That was the norm for decades, and non-smokers didn't fall over dead.


Uh yea...they did. Secondhand smoke inhalation is deadly. From the ALA:

"Between 1964 and 2014, 2.5 million people died from exposure to secondhand smoke, according to a report from the U.S. Surgeon General. The report also concluded that secondhand smoke is a definitive cause of stroke."

You can't "not get into a debate" and then spit out non-truths.
 
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Re: is there somewhere in the world where smoking in commercial planes is still allowed for passengers?

Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:19 pm

pwm2txlhopper wrote:
Regardless of the health debate, flights over six hours would be much easier if I could smoke. ATL is the only airport left in the USA, that I know of, that still has smoking lounges post security. Therefore, I always connect in ATL if possible.


There are post-security smoking lounges at IAD as well. They're frequently pretty crowded, but it's somewhat fun to watch the people in the haze as one walks past. See http://www.flydulles.com/iad/smoking-areas.
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:02 pm

Quoting IADCA (Reply 23), "it's somewhat fun to watch the people in the haze as one walks past."

Yes, I agree, but unfortunately often you see young children sitting in the smoking lounges waiting with their parents and I can't help but feel terribly sorry for them having to endure that smoke, through no choice of their own.

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Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:16 pm

Not here to get into a debate about smoking in public places. That was the norm for decades, and non-smokers didn't fall over dead.


Well, we have asthma attacks and other breathing issues. I'm highly allergic to that crap, and my sister's asthma was so bad back then that we had to move across the country to find her a climate where she wouldn't die. And no, I'm not exaggerating. No fun having her cooped up in a metal tube where the air was so smoggy and clogged that she nearly asphyxiated. Let's not even get started on the long term problem that FAs have experienced over the years from the second hand smoke.
 
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:26 pm

IADCA wrote:
pwm2txlhopper wrote:
Regardless of the health debate, flights over six hours would be much easier if I could smoke. ATL is the only airport left in the USA, that I know of, that still has smoking lounges post security. Therefore, I always connect in ATL if possible.


There are post-security smoking lounges at IAD as well. They're frequently pretty crowded, but it's somewhat fun to watch the people in the haze as one walks past. See http://www.flydulles.com/iad/smoking-areas.


Denver has one too in C-concourse...next to a restaurant. Sure can smell that smoke when you arrive on that level from the escalators ex-train ride to C.
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:05 pm

I hate cigarette smoke and I wasn't that bothered most of the time, I'm shocked to see so many people saying that the cabin was filled with a thick cloud of smoke, sorry, it never happened to me and I started flying LONG ago, we used to give cigarettes to passengers after the meal. Some flights were bad, some flights weren't, you wouldn't have all the passengers smoking at the same time, it would be someone here and someone else over there. People would rarely smoke during the night or during meals, heavy smoking also depended on the route, class and other factors and you wouldn't suffer that much on bigger planes. The awful smell lingered in the clothes though and I think this is what bothered people most, those little ashtrays stank...
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