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dredgy wrote:Further research shows Turkmenistan Airlines will "allow" smoking on pretty much any flight, including those two and from the UK.
smallvoyageur wrote:dredgy wrote:Further research shows Turkmenistan Airlines will "allow" smoking on pretty much any flight, including those two and from the UK.
I am surprised considering Berdimuhamedow is the former health minister, and is a known anti-smoker and is planning to outlaw tobacco by 2025 as stated on Radio Free Europe.
masgniw wrote:Just go sit in your car for 4 hours, light up, and leave the windows rolled up. Same thing.
pwm2txlhopper wrote:Regardless of the health debate, flights over six hours would be much easier for me if I could smoke.
masgniw wrote:pwm2txlhopper wrote:Regardless of the health debate, flights over six hours would be much easier for me if I could smoke.
Fixed that for you.
pwm2txlhopper wrote:masgniw wrote:pwm2txlhopper wrote:Regardless of the health debate, flights over six hours would be much easier for me if I could smoke.
Fixed that for you.
And other smokers.
Not here to get into a debate about smoking in public places. That was the norm for decades, and non-smokers didn't fall over dead.
pwm2txlhopper wrote:Regardless of the health debate, flights over six hours would be much easier if I could smoke. ATL is the only airport left in the USA, that I know of, that still has smoking lounges post security. Therefore, I always connect in ATL if possible.
Not here to get into a debate about smoking in public places. That was the norm for decades, and non-smokers didn't fall over dead.
IADCA wrote:pwm2txlhopper wrote:Regardless of the health debate, flights over six hours would be much easier if I could smoke. ATL is the only airport left in the USA, that I know of, that still has smoking lounges post security. Therefore, I always connect in ATL if possible.
There are post-security smoking lounges at IAD as well. They're frequently pretty crowded, but it's somewhat fun to watch the people in the haze as one walks past. See http://www.flydulles.com/iad/smoking-areas.
eielef wrote:I'm a heavy smoker and I used to take sleeping pills on long flights. Recently, I found ONE brand of extremely expensive nicotine gum that helps me to tolerate not smoking on the duration of the flight.
Russia has outlawed also smoker lounges on airports, so I'm writing now from the parking lot, boarding in 90 mins for a 4 hour flight to OVB... I'm not anxious. I got used to it. I hate it but there is nothing I can do.
Just remember smokers are about 15-25% of adult population. So is not a small market. But smokers just gave up. Like some 10 years ago you could smoke in every restaurant and now you can't. We give up. As we also gave up of having confortable seats in Economy, or not having to pay for luggage or food and drinks, which had always been free of charge. They tell us is cheaper to fly nowadays. Is it?
pwm2txlhopper wrote:Figuring it takes a smoker 40+ years of directly inhaling cigarettes all day before the succumb to illness, a little secondhand smoke isn't going to hurt non-smokers in the long term.
ual763 wrote:pwm2txlhopper wrote:Figuring it takes a smoker 40+ years of directly inhaling cigarettes all day before the succumb to illness, a little secondhand smoke isn't going to hurt non-smokers in the long term.
Are you kidding?
Not here to get into a debate about smoking in public places. That was the norm for decades, and non-smokers didn't fall over dead.
I'm not saying smoking doesn't affect others. It does, there is (or should be) scientific evidence about it. I'm saying we are forced to quit to something we had before. Before it also affected others health, and no-one complained so much.
Aptivaboy wrote:Not here to get into a debate about smoking in public places. That was the norm for decades, and non-smokers didn't fall over dead.
Did you honestly just type that? I mean, really? Really? I remember gagging and my sister having such asthmatic responses to second hand smoke that she was hospitalized. We had to move from Illinois to California partially because of her asthma but also because our relatives were heavy smokers and it would kill her if we remained. And yes, by your words you did intend to get into a debate.I'm not saying smoking doesn't affect others. It does, there is (or should be) scientific evidence about it. I'm saying we are forced to quit to something we had before. Before it also affected others health, and no-one complained so much.
There is an abundance of scientific evidence about the dangers of first and second hand smoke. One merely needs to read it and take it seriously. And yes, we complained A LOT BEFORE. The smoking industry and its lobby was simply too strong to overcome it. Over the past two or three decades or so, times have changed worldwide in this regard, and for the better.
dredgy wrote:smallvoyageur wrote:dredgy wrote:Further research shows Turkmenistan Airlines will "allow" smoking on pretty much any flight, including those two and from the UK.
I am surprised considering Berdimuhamedow is the former health minister, and is a known anti-smoker and is planning to outlaw tobacco by 2025 as stated on Radio Free Europe.
Isn’t really allowed, but just extreme staff indifference. I started reading reviews on Skytrax to make sure my experience wasn’t a one off and it’s a common complaint, among others such as drunk passengers being allowed unchecked and being able to keep your seat in lie-flat mode during takeoff and landing.
eielef wrote:You can't pay extra to smoke on the plane. You can pay extra (lot extra actually) to fly on business class, or first class.
Is not the idea of the airlines making more money selling more tickets. Is the idea we accept it with resignation... I just landed after 3h20. Although I had all the 3 seats for myself, my legs didn't fit anywhere. So I spent the whole evening suffering. At least it was in a great plane (Tu154M) and food was great.
But now, i'm flying on a budget airline, boring plane (B737-800), and, again, smoke ban.
I'm comparing a seat with smoking. I'm not saying smoking doesn't affect others. It does, there is (or should be) scientific evidence about it. I'm saying we are forced to quit to something we had before. Before it also affected others health, and no-one complained so much.
What I'm "sad" is that we've given up on so many things, because we allow the airline industry (plus government and regulation) to regulate so many things that don't need to be regulated. There should be planes where smoking is allowed, and people (non-smokers) should know this is a mostly smoker flight, you are invited to join, or to go on a different flight with flight ban. If I would like to set my airline only for smokers, that would be against the law.
If I would like to offer those economy class passengers wider seats with more leg space, it would be against the other airlines. So I have to just do what the others do.
Meanwhile, us, passengers, keep on paying a concept called "Fuel Surcharge" on our tickets. No complains whatsoever. My fare was 500rub, airport taxes 750rub, and "fuel surcharge" 3000rub, plus a very weird "service fee" of 250rub, taking into consideration I bought the ticket on the airline website. What the hell is a fuel surcharge?
AZa346 wrote:I know it might sound very odd, but I would love to try that once, even though I bet that on the long run it would get nasty. I was born too late to be able to do it in Europe, but maybe somewhere else in the world?
Otherwise, can you tell me how it felt back in the day when it was possible? I bet it was fun( for smokers at least!)
Have a nice day
FlyHappy wrote:I assume you are Russian and so from my western (and eastern) point of view, your ideas are very startling.
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BTW, your previous post you mentioned 15-25% of the public as smokers...... perhaps that is correct in Russia, but that is no longer close to the reality anywhere in the West and only China and Indonesia reach or exceed 25% among large populations. The world has changed, pretty quickly.
A personal suggestion, my friend: if not quit, then reduce your smoking. You will find so much more enjoyment in small things if you train yourself to not be habitually chained to lighting up so frequently. To not feel the anxiety of not knowing when your next smoke will come.
eielef wrote:Thanks for your answer. Being on holidays now has reduced my number of hours at the screen. I'm not Russian, and I started smoking when in the mid 2000s, when smoking was banned in most of airlines.
Just a few facts to get them clear: I know that, for non-smokers, smoking harms. I also know that it is unpleasant to seat next to a smoker, specially in a closed space, with his smell and smoke. And I know is against the law to smoke onboard airplanes, as well as in most airports.
What I don't agree with you, are actually three things:
1) The government doesn't allow me to smoke, but doesn't allow the airlines to provide a smoking seat either. MAYBE some day, a new airline, or an old airline with many planes, will decide to create a flight for smokers only. It won't be like before: here, you'll be able to smoke in any part of the plane, as long as it does not interfere with safety. This might sound crazy, but see for instance, in China where 53% smoke. It wouldn't be completely crazy to send not 50% of the flights but say 5% of the flight with seat for smokers only. I wouldn't mind paying extra for be in one of those flights.
2) Actually, globally is closer to 20% the number of smokers. Russia has a high number, but similar to the one in Luxembourg, Denmark or Canada (just to name a few). Countries with less smokers are those very poor in Africa, like DRCongo, Rwanda, or Guinea. Many Latin American countries, as well as some of the Australian continent don't have many smokers either.
The list of cigarettes smoked by person is very interesting. It's not the newest, and I know Wikipedia is not the safest source, but well... Is what I got.
https://wikivisually.com/wiki/List_of_c ... per_capita
3) Incredible as it sounds, there are still smoker bedrooms in these amazing resorts i'm staying, of an international brand (Wyndham), here in Turkey!
I've been trying to put on a list things to try to change, and I've added trying to quit smoking, as well as trying to loose 50lbs (25kg). Let's see if any of these become true!
1) The government doesn't allow me to smoke, but doesn't allow the airlines to provide a smoking seat either.
Aptivaboy wrote:
AZa346 wrote:I know it might sound very odd, but I would love to try that once, even though I bet that on the long run it would get nasty. I was born too late to be able to do it in Europe, but maybe somewhere else in the world?
Otherwise, can you tell me how it felt back in the day when it was possible? I bet it was fun( for smokers at least!)
Have a nice day
Aptivaboy wrote:
vhtje wrote:I was on a very new BA 787-9 just on Monday and was surprised to see an ashtray provided in the lavatory.