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Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:14 am

I'm not asking about largest unserved nonstops, I'm asking about routes not connected by one stops. ie. Routes that require a minimum of two stops to get from point A to B. A personal example, while not with big cities was MCO-JFK-DXB-ISB. Before EK started MCO-DXB, there was not a single one stop option to get from MCO to ISB.
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:35 am

Using the population of city proper (rather than metro area) it seems to be CKG-FIH.
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:39 am

So you’re basically asking, what is the largest city not serviced by EK? :biggrin:
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:50 am

ciamp wrote:
Using the population of city proper (rather than metro area) it seems to be CKG-FIH.


Appears to me that TSN-FIH is a bigger market and also appears to have no one stop option.
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:01 am

alasizon wrote:
Appears to me that TSN-FIH is a bigger market and also appears to have no one stop option.


I understood the question as “cities with the largest population not connected by one stop flights”, though I’m not sure that’s what was asked by OP (according to wiki Chongqing the most populous “city proper” in the world).

Also, the two largest metro areas not connected by nonstop or one stop flights seem to be São Paulo and the Japanese metro are of “Keihanshin (Kyoto-Osaka-Kobe)”
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:23 am

GRU-LHR-KIX is one "stop"

skyhawkmatthew wrote:
So you’re basically asking, what is the largest city not serviced by EK? :biggrin:

Please. Cities with no service to London would be a better filter. Then see if EK flies to both.
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:31 am

Looking at this there are lots of one stop flights,that are listed one stop but require over 8 or even 10 hour layover. So technically they count as one stop, but not something most would do.
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:40 am

ikramerica wrote:
GRU-LHR-KIX is one "stop".

Indeed, and AF, KLM and other airlines offer it too, my mistake.

Guess it’s Buenos Aires - Dhaka then
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:35 am

Khartoum-Las Vegas for example

KRT is served by TK ET MS EK EY and although all of them fly to North America none serve LAS. A double connection is required.
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:05 am

ciamp wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Appears to me that TSN-FIH is a bigger market and also appears to have no one stop option.


I understood the question as “cities with the largest population not connected by one stop flights”, though I’m not sure that’s what was asked by OP (according to wiki Chongqing the most populous “city proper” in the world).

Also, the two largest metro areas not connected by nonstop or one stop flights seem to be São Paulo and the Japanese metro are of “Keihanshin (Kyoto-Osaka-Kobe)”

City proper of Chongqing is just about 13 Million, the administrative region of the city of Chongqing also cover many neighbouring villages that make the "city" more like a miniprovince.
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:09 am

ciamp wrote:
ikramerica wrote:
GRU-LHR-KIX is one "stop".

Indeed, and AF, KLM and other airlines offer it too, my mistake.

Guess it’s Buenos Aires - Dhaka then


Using Metropolitan Area size, I think Buenos Aires - Manila would be "bigger" pair. So would Buenos Aires - Karachi.

I couldn't find any pair that doesn't involved Buenos Aires, though. EK and QR pretty much connect everything :white:

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c933103 wrote:
ciamp wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Appears to me that TSN-FIH is a bigger market and also appears to have no one stop option.


I understood the question as “cities with the largest population not connected by one stop flights”, though I’m not sure that’s what was asked by OP (according to wiki Chongqing the most populous “city proper” in the world).

Also, the two largest metro areas not connected by nonstop or one stop flights seem to be São Paulo and the Japanese metro are of “Keihanshin (Kyoto-Osaka-Kobe)”

City proper of Chongqing is just about 13 Million, the administrative region of the city of Chongqing also cover many neighbouring villages that make the "city" more like a miniprovince.


To add on a little bit about the "city proper" of Chongqing - it's 82400 km^2 in size, which is about the same size as Austria (83871 km^2 with Water, 82445 km^2 if not counting water). It's just big and outside of the city proper, is basically a bunch of "small" towns (in Chinese standard).
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:26 am

So, population (according to greater metro area):
CKG 13M FIH 11M TSN 15M
EZE 17M DAC 18M
KRT 5M LAS 2M
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As such, I would nominate EZE-KHI/JKT. KHI have 21M population and JKT have 30M.
Another proposal would be TSN-GRU with GRU having 36M
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:45 am

c933103 wrote:
So, population (according to greater metro area):
CKG 13M FIH 11M TSN 15M
EZE 17M DAC 18M
KRT 5M LAS 2M
-----
As such, I would nominate EZE-KHI/JKT. KHI have 21M population and JKT have 30M.
Another proposal would be TSN-GRU with GRU having 36M

EZE KHI could be done on separate tickets via LHR
EZE-JKT can be done via AMS

So that leaves GRU (21.4 M) - TSN (15.4 M)
Then EZE (13 M) - DAC (17.1 M)
Then it’s EZE-TSN and EZE-MNL (I imagined MNL had a non stop flight to one of the big Western European hubs. The more you learn...)
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:47 am

ciamp wrote:
c933103 wrote:
So, population (according to greater metro area):
CKG 13M FIH 11M TSN 15M
EZE 17M DAC 18M
KRT 5M LAS 2M
-----
As such, I would nominate EZE-KHI/JKT. KHI have 21M population and JKT have 30M.
Another proposal would be TSN-GRU with GRU having 36M

EZE KHI could be done on separate tickets via LHR
EZE-JKT can be done via AMS

So that leaves GRU (21.4 M) - TSN (15.4 M)
Then EZE (13 M) - DAC (17.1 M)
Then it’s EZE-TSN and EZE-MNL (I imagined MNL had a non stop flight to one of the big Western European hubs. The more you learn...)


EZE-DAC can be done via LHR on BA and BG on seperate tickets and EZE - MNL can be done also via LHR on BA and PR
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:24 pm

MAN702 wrote:
ciamp wrote:
c933103 wrote:
So, population (according to greater metro area):
CKG 13M FIH 11M TSN 15M
EZE 17M DAC 18M
KRT 5M LAS 2M
-----
As such, I would nominate EZE-KHI/JKT. KHI have 21M population and JKT have 30M.
Another proposal would be TSN-GRU with GRU having 36M

EZE KHI could be done on separate tickets via LHR
EZE-JKT can be done via AMS

So that leaves GRU (21.4 M) - TSN (15.4 M)
Then EZE (13 M) - DAC (17.1 M)
Then it’s EZE-TSN and EZE-MNL (I imagined MNL had a non stop flight to one of the big Western European hubs. The more you learn...)


EZE-DAC can be done via LHR on BA and BG on seperate tickets and EZE - MNL can be done also via LHR on BA and PR


DAC and KHI can be done via IST, DOH, or DXB.
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:46 pm

LH658 wrote:
MAN702 wrote:
ciamp wrote:
EZE KHI could be done on separate tickets via LHR
EZE-JKT can be done via AMS

So that leaves GRU (21.4 M) - TSN (15.4 M)
Then EZE (13 M) - DAC (17.1 M)
Then it’s EZE-TSN and EZE-MNL (I imagined MNL had a non stop flight to one of the big Western European hubs. The more you learn...)


EZE-DAC can be done via LHR on BA and BG on seperate tickets and EZE - MNL can be done also via LHR on BA and PR


DAC and KHI can be done via IST, DOH, or DXB.


Since QR, TK flies DOH/IST-GRU-EZE and EK flies DXB-GIG-EZE, wouldn't it be two stops?
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:59 pm

MAN702 wrote:
ciamp wrote:
c933103 wrote:
So, population (according to greater metro area):
CKG 13M FIH 11M TSN 15M
EZE 17M DAC 18M
KRT 5M LAS 2M
-----
As such, I would nominate EZE-KHI/JKT. KHI have 21M population and JKT have 30M.
Another proposal would be TSN-GRU with GRU having 36M

EZE KHI could be done on separate tickets via LHR
EZE-JKT can be done via AMS

So that leaves GRU (21.4 M) - TSN (15.4 M)
Then EZE (13 M) - DAC (17.1 M)
Then it’s EZE-TSN and EZE-MNL (I imagined MNL had a non stop flight to one of the big Western European hubs. The more you learn...)


EZE-DAC can be done via LHR on BA and BG on seperate tickets and EZE - MNL can be done also via LHR on BA and PR


It can't because the BG flight makes a stop in Sylhet between LHR & DAC.
 
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Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:21 pm

BritTraveller wrote:
MAN702 wrote:
ciamp wrote:
EZE KHI could be done on separate tickets via LHR
EZE-JKT can be done via AMS

So that leaves GRU (21.4 M) - TSN (15.4 M)
Then EZE (13 M) - DAC (17.1 M)
Then it’s EZE-TSN and EZE-MNL (I imagined MNL had a non stop flight to one of the big Western European hubs. The more you learn...)


EZE-DAC can be done via LHR on BA and BG on seperate tickets and EZE - MNL can be done also via LHR on BA and PR


It can't because the BG flight makes a stop in Sylhet between LHR & DAC.


It's those botherline case. DAC->LHR is non-stop, while LHR->DAC stop at Sylhet. So technically you can go one-stop from DAC->EZE, but not the other way :scratchchin:

For TSN - you can reach SCL and EZE with one-stop (via AKL), but not GRU nor GIG or places like LIM. The thing that hurts it is that it has zero non-stop to any big EU international hub (LHR, CDG, FRA, AMS), ME3+TK hub, nor any cities in US/Canada. I really don't know what's the next largest cities that have such restriction. NGO is close (Only flights to DTW and FRA, the AUH flight stops at PEK). CKG has flight to LAX and JFK, CGO has flight to DXB, etc.
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:59 pm

I have a friend in Sacramento, CA that flies on AA. When she travels to Rio she had to fly SMF to DFW to MIA to RIO when AA was not flying DFW to RIO.
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:43 pm

dfwjim1 wrote:
I have a friend in Sacramento, CA that flies on AA. When she travels to Rio she had to fly SMF to DFW to MIA to RIO when AA was not flying DFW to RIO.


Except two things:
1. Sacramento is nowhere near one of biggest cities in the world.
2. There are actually one-stop options (UA via IAH and DL via ATL).

P.S. Something that I just noticed is that the TSN-AKL flight stops at CKG, while the upcoming TSN-SYD stops at CGO. That means there is not one city in South America from TSN that can be reached for one stop.

Maybe Tianjin takes the crown of "worst connected large metro"?
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:22 pm

How's Pyongyang looking in all this?
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Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:45 pm

stlgph wrote:
How's Pyongyang looking in all this?

Pretty Good. Air Koryo's fortress hub has N. Korea well connected
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:23 am

stl07 wrote:
stlgph wrote:
How's Pyongyang looking in all this?

Pretty Good. Air Koryo's fortress hub has N. Korea well connected


Yes, you can get to China. But in point, along with the lines of the original question, can you get to say ... San Diego in 1 stop?
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Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:31 am

stlgph wrote:
stl07 wrote:
stlgph wrote:
How's Pyongyang looking in all this?

Pretty Good. Air Koryo's fortress hub has N. Korea well connected


Yes, you can get to China. But in point, along with the lines of the original question, can you get to say ... San Diego in 1 stop?

Of course not, I was being sarcastic
 
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Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:53 am

stl07 wrote:
stlgph wrote:
stl07 wrote:
Pretty Good. Air Koryo's fortress hub has N. Korea well connected


Yes, you can get to China. But in point, along with the lines of the original question, can you get to say ... San Diego in 1 stop?

Of course not, I was being sarcastic


Come on, we all know in 2019 FNJ will be KE's largest hub, overtaking ICN in less than a year.

To be serious, though, while Pyongyang is not well connected at all (an understatement :lol: ), it's not that big of a city either at around 3M total population in the immediate metro area.
 
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Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:22 pm

PNQ to any big city not serviced by AI, 9W, LH or not connecting through DXB
For example PNQ - LAS, PNQ - SAN
 
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Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:58 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
BritTraveller wrote:
MAN702 wrote:

EZE-DAC can be done via LHR on BA and BG on seperate tickets and EZE - MNL can be done also via LHR on BA and PR


It can't because the BG flight makes a stop in Sylhet between LHR & DAC.


It's those botherline case. DAC->LHR is non-stop, while LHR->DAC stop at Sylhet. So technically you can go one-stop from DAC->EZE, but not the other way :scratchchin:

For TSN - you can reach SCL and EZE with one-stop (via AKL), but not GRU nor GIG or places like LIM. The thing that hurts it is that it has zero non-stop to any big EU international hub (LHR, CDG, FRA, AMS), ME3+TK hub, nor any cities in US/Canada. I really don't know what's the next largest cities that have such restriction. NGO is close (Only flights to DTW and FRA, the AUH flight stops at PEK). CKG has flight to LAX and JFK, CGO has flight to DXB, etc.


You can reach LIM in one stop from TSN. via LGW on Tianjin Air and BA.
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:57 pm

LIM is connected to MAD on LATAM. All of the major airports in South America are connected to MAD in Europe by Iberia or LATAM due to former colonial ties...
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:02 am

BritTraveller wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
BritTraveller wrote:

It can't because the BG flight makes a stop in Sylhet between LHR & DAC.


It's those botherline case. DAC->LHR is non-stop, while LHR->DAC stop at Sylhet. So technically you can go one-stop from DAC->EZE, but not the other way :scratchchin:

For TSN - you can reach SCL and EZE with one-stop (via AKL), but not GRU nor GIG or places like LIM. The thing that hurts it is that it has zero non-stop to any big EU international hub (LHR, CDG, FRA, AMS), ME3+TK hub, nor any cities in US/Canada. I really don't know what's the next largest cities that have such restriction. NGO is close (Only flights to DTW and FRA, the AUH flight stops at PEK). CKG has flight to LAX and JFK, CGO has flight to DXB, etc.


You can reach LIM in one stop from TSN. via LGW on Tianjin Air and BA.


Didn't realized that there is a seasonal flight from LGW to LIM. So I guess at least there 1 South American city that you can get to from TSN with 1 stop.

x1234 wrote:
LIM is connected to MAD on LATAM. All of the major airports in South America are connected to MAD in Europe by Iberia or LATAM due to former colonial ties...


The whole thread is about "Largest city pairs" (I'm assuming talking about two large cities in terms of population, unless the OP is looking for PDEW pairs, which is much harder to find). MAD has tons of South American destination but very few (East) Asian destinations, which is why most of the talks about needing two stops are between an East Asian city and a South American one. (The other big Lat. Am. hub in MIA having zero TPAC doesn't help).
 
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:26 am

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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:25 pm

Those of you talking about EZE-MNL are missing both EZE-LHR-MNL and EZE-YYZ-MNL. Also, the question seems pretty basic: the 2 largest cities that don't both have service to at least one airport, doesn't matter how long the connection time is or even if you can book it as one ticket.
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:29 am

HNL to almost any big city east of HNL where LAX or JFK does not have a nonstop.
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:22 am

There is a flight from FRA to PNQ Lufthansa/PrivitAir
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:33 am

There is a flight from FRA to PNQ Lufthansa/PrivitAir
 
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Re: Biggest city pairs not connected by a 1 stop

Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:26 am

LH658 wrote:
There is a flight from FRA to PNQ Lufthansa/PrivitAir

That is why I said PNQ to any big city NOT served by LH...

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