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20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:25 pm

As per routes on line, these are the 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year. Interesting to see some latin american routes having more traffic that some intra-US flights

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... -americas/

1 Sao Paulo Congonhas (CGH) - Rio de Janeiro Santos Dumont (SDU)
2 Mexico City Juarez (MEX) - Cancun (CUN)
3 Los Angeles International (LAX) - New York JFK (JFK)
4 Mexico City Juarez (MEX) - Monterrey (MTY)
5 Lima (LIM) - Cuzco (CUZ)
6 Bogota (BOG) - Medellin Jose Maria Cordova (MDE)
7 New York LaGuardia (LGA) - Chicago O'Hare (ORD)
8 San Francisco (SFO) - Los Angeles International (LAX)
9 Guadalajara (GDL) - Mexico City Juarez (MEX)
10 Los Angeles International (LAX) - Seattle-Tacoma (SEA)
11 Sao Paulo Congonhas (CGH) - Brasilia (BSB)
12 San Francisco (SFO) - New York JFK (JFK)
13 Bogota (BOG) - Cartagena (CTG)
14 New York LaGuardia (LGA) - Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson (ATL)
15 Bogota (BOG) - Cali (CLO)
16 Honolulu (HNL) - Kahului (OGG)
17 Orlando International (MCO) - Newark Liberty International (EWR)
18 Los Angeles International (LAX) - Chicago O'Hare (ORD)
19 Mexico City Juarez (MEX) - Tijuana (TIJ)
20 Quito (UIO) - Guayaquil (GYE)
Last edited by atcsundevil on Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:46 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: Edited title for clarity
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:39 pm

Is this busiest based on number of flights or total passengers? Assuming total passengers but just asking.
From personal experience I am not surprised to find SEA/LAX on that list. Have never been on a flight on that route that wasn't oversold
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:50 pm

ER757 wrote:
Is this busiest based on number of flights or total passengers? Assuming total passengers but just asking.
From personal experience I am not surprised to find SEA/LAX on that list. Have never been on a flight on that route that wasn't oversold


Number of passengers, the link has all the info. Thanks
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:51 pm

SEA-LAX is #10
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:56 pm

This list is misleading. It's not showing city pairs, rather it's showing airport pairs. This list would look a lot different if NYC, San Francisco, LA and Chicago had their airports grouped together. For example, EWR-LAX has around 900,000 annual passengers which would put NYC-LAX up to #2. Another egregious one is NYC - Chicago. Both EWR-ORD and JFK-ORD would add about 1,700,000 annual passengers combined putting the route roughly equal with Sao Paulo - Rio de Janeiro.
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:01 pm

MCO-JFK/EWR/LGA is roughly 2.2 million one way.
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:15 pm

DoctorVenkman wrote:
This list is misleading. It's not showing city pairs, rather it's showing airport pairs. This list would look a lot different if NYC, San Francisco, LA and Chicago had their airports grouped together. For example, EWR-LAX has around 900,000 annual passengers which would put NYC-LAX up to #2. Another egregious one is NYC - Chicago. Both EWR-ORD and JFK-ORD would add about 1,700,000 annual passengers combined putting the route roughly equal with Sao Paulo - Rio de Janeiro.

Correct, title should be edited, but this list is interesting in itself for those of us who are indeed looking for specific airport pairs.
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:18 pm

DoctorVenkman wrote:
This list is misleading. It's not showing city pairs, rather it's showing airport pairs. This list would look a lot different if NYC, San Francisco, LA and Chicago had their airports grouped together. For example, EWR-LAX has around 900,000 annual passengers which would put NYC-LAX up to #2. Another egregious one is NYC - Chicago. Both EWR-ORD and JFK-ORD would add about 1,700,000 annual passengers combined putting the route roughly equal with Sao Paulo - Rio de Janeiro.


To be fair, Sao Paulo - Rio also has those flights between GRU to GIG/SDU, and GIG to GRU/CGH, which would add to the CGH-SDU number.

On the other hand, though, BTS number always have LAX-SFO higher than LAX-JFK, but somehow it's the reverse on this ranking :scratchchin: :scratchchin: (LAX-SFO is ~3.44M, LAX-JFK is ~3.3M)

Actually, LGA-ORD is below both (BTS showing about ~2.9M), but it's ranked higher than LAX-SFO here.
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:27 pm

So is Mex-Cancun a 30 minute shuttle, or widebodies to be #2 on the list?
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:36 pm

Surprised SFO-LAX isn't higher, although I would imagine all of SJC/OAK/SFO to all of LAX/BUR/ONT/LGB/SNA would top this list?
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:37 pm

If we go by city pairs, Los Angeles-San Francisco and Miami-New York City are the two busiest in the States, and I would assume the Americas after Sao Paulo-Rio.
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:38 pm

william wrote:
So is Mex-Cancun a 30 minute shuttle, or widebodies to be #2 on the list?


AM, Interjet, Volaris, Viva all fly basically hourly 18 hours of the day
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:58 pm

MCO-EWR surprises me.
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:05 am

zakuivcustom wrote:
DoctorVenkman wrote:
This list is misleading. It's not showing city pairs, rather it's showing airport pairs. This list would look a lot different if NYC, San Francisco, LA and Chicago had their airports grouped together. For example, EWR-LAX has around 900,000 annual passengers which would put NYC-LAX up to #2. Another egregious one is NYC - Chicago. Both EWR-ORD and JFK-ORD would add about 1,700,000 annual passengers combined putting the route roughly equal with Sao Paulo - Rio de Janeiro.


To be fair, Sao Paulo - Rio also has those flights between GRU to GIG/SDU, and GIG to GRU/CGH, which would add to the CGH-SDU number.

On the other hand, though, BTS number always have LAX-SFO higher than LAX-JFK, but somehow it's the reverse on this ranking :scratchchin: :scratchchin: (LAX-SFO is ~3.44M, LAX-JFK is ~3.3M)

Actually, LGA-ORD is below both (BTS showing about ~2.9M), but it's ranked higher than LAX-SFO here.


Do we have GRU/CGH-GIG and GRU-SDU numbers?

Would VCP-RIO be considered part the city pair?
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:08 am

flyfresno wrote:
Surprised SFO-LAX isn't higher, although I would imagine all of SJC/OAK/SFO to all of LAX/BUR/ONT/LGB/SNA would top this list?


Is the LA-SF corridor still the busiest in the world? Was in the 80s and 90s but I’m not sure about today. Anyone?
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:18 am

william wrote:
So is Mex-Cancun a 30 minute shuttle, or widebodies to be #2 on the list?


Today flightaware shows 44 trips from MEX-CUN flown by Volaris, Aeromexico and Interjet and VivaAerobus I think Magnicharters also flies the route and no widebodies fly the route.
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:36 am

I saw the HNL/OGG route and could not believe the numbers. But then I noticed it appears HA has 26 daily nonstop flights. So the number is reasonable but I can't believe the volume.
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:23 am

2.87 million passengers must be LAX to JFK plus JFK to LAX? Anyone figure out whether that's O&D passengers or total passengers?
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:39 am

MrBretz wrote:
I saw the HNL/OGG route and could not believe the numbers. But then I noticed it appears HA has 26 daily nonstop flights. So the number is reasonable but I can't believe the volume.


BTS is showing 2.06M, so the number is believable.

On the other hand, a few LAX-origin route has higher number according to BTS (LAX-DEN, LAX-LAS, and...well, LAX-HNL), but was not on the list :scratchchin: :scratchchin:

26point2 wrote:
flyfresno wrote:
Surprised SFO-LAX isn't higher, although I would imagine all of SJC/OAK/SFO to all of LAX/BUR/ONT/LGB/SNA would top this list?


Is the LA-SF corridor still the busiest in the world? Was in the 80s and 90s but I’m not sure about today. Anyone?


Using BTS number, I got ~12M pax between the 5 LA basin airports and the 3 SF Bay Area airports. The "real" number may be slightly lower, though.

Approxmiate from this monthly stats:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... ir-routes/

GMP-CJU would be closer to ~14M/yr. There are seasonal variation, yes, but on the other hand, it's also insane to see 100+ 737s/320s (and some widebodies) flying that route every 10 mins :scratchchin:

timz wrote:
2.87 million passengers must be LAX to JFK plus JFK to LAX? Anyone figure out whether that's O&D passengers or total passengers?


LAX<->JFK would be correct. I believe it should be total passengers.
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:51 am

Mexico City-Tijuana
There are flights all day and night by the four airlines that serve this route: Aeromexico
Interjet
Volaris
Viva
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:58 am

gatibosgru wrote:
MCO-EWR surprises me.


Me as well. But I looked at the schedules and EWR has the most flights to MCO out of the 3 NYC airports. EWR-MCO has about 20 daily weekday flights, while MCO-JFK/LGA only have about 14 and 11 respectively, depending on the day.
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:36 am

DoctorVenkman wrote:
This list is misleading. It's not showing city pairs, rather it's showing airport pairs. This list would look a lot different if NYC, San Francisco, LA and Chicago had their airports grouped together. For example, EWR-LAX has around 900,000 annual passengers which would put NYC-LAX up to #2. Another egregious one is NYC - Chicago. Both EWR-ORD and JFK-ORD would add about 1,700,000 annual passengers combined putting the route roughly equal with Sao Paulo - Rio de Janeiro.


My sentiments exactly...you beat me to the punch. This is an airport pairs list. City pairs are much more demonstrative of demand and realized traffic between two cities, particularly when large metros have multiple airports. I don't have the #'s, but if you added MDW-LGA and MDW-EWR, then CHI-NYC would probably beat Sao Paulo - Rio.

Thread title should be amended.
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:20 am

Are there really more pax flying between LAX-JFK than LAX-LAS? The LAX-LAS route seems to have a departure every 10-15 minutes all day long.
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:53 am

ORDfan wrote:
DoctorVenkman wrote:
This list is misleading. It's not showing city pairs, rather it's showing airport pairs. This list would look a lot different if NYC, San Francisco, LA and Chicago had their airports grouped together. For example, EWR-LAX has around 900,000 annual passengers which would put NYC-LAX up to #2. Another egregious one is NYC - Chicago. Both EWR-ORD and JFK-ORD would add about 1,700,000 annual passengers combined putting the route roughly equal with Sao Paulo - Rio de Janeiro.


My sentiments exactly...you beat me to the punch. This is an airport pairs list. City pairs are much more demonstrative of demand and realized traffic between two cities, particularly when large metros have multiple airports. I don't have the #'s, but if you added MDW-LGA and MDW-EWR, then CHI-NYC would probably beat Sao Paulo - Rio.

Thread title should be amended.


Umm...not really about the MDW-LGA + MDW-EWR part. WN fly a grand total of max 6 flights between MDW and LGA, and max 4 flights between MDW and EWR. Meanwhile, 8 flights between GRU-SDU (All 737), 12+ flights on GRU-GIG, and 8 more on CGH-GIG, for a total of 28 (at least) flights between Sao Paulo and Rio NOT on SDU-CGH (Where there are about 40 flights every day).

crownvic wrote:
Are there really more pax flying between LAX-JFK than LAX-LAS? The LAX-LAS route seems to have a departure every 10-15 minutes all day long.


It's indeed a yes. According to BTS number, LAX-JFK is only behind LAX-SFO in terms of # of pax.

And frequency-wise LAX-LAS has ~30 flights/day, LAX-JFK is 25. On the other hand, you've 757s/767s flying between LAX and JFK, while LAX-LAS is mostly 737s/320s.
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:54 am

I'm surprised that Montreal (YUL) - Toronto (YYZ) is not on this top 20.
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:07 am

Mapped out the 20 routes. 18 out of 20 are fairly short "shuttle" type routes, and then two outliers being the US transcons!

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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:10 am

DoctorVenkman wrote:
This list is misleading. It's not showing city pairs, rather it's showing airport pairs. This list would look a lot different if NYC, San Francisco, LA and Chicago had their airports grouped together. For example, EWR-LAX has around 900,000 annual passengers which would put NYC-LAX up to #2. Another egregious one is NYC - Chicago. Both EWR-ORD and JFK-ORD would add about 1,700,000 annual passengers combined putting the route roughly equal with Sao Paulo - Rio de Janeiro.


I Disagree. It says AIRPORT pairs, not CITY pairs.

A city pair list would be interesting.
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:12 am

720B wrote:
As per routes on line, these are the 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year. Interesting to see some latin american routes having more traffic that some intra-US flights

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... -americas/

1 Sao Paulo Congonhas (CGH) - Rio de Janeiro Santos Dumont (SDU)
2 Mexico City Juarez (MEX) - Cancun (CUN)
3 Los Angeles International (LAX) - New York JFK (JFK)
4 Mexico City Juarez (MEX) - Monterrey (MTY)
5 Lima (LIM) - Cuzco (CUZ)
6 Bogota (BOG) - Medellin Jose Maria Cordova (MDE)
7 New York LaGuardia (LGA) - Chicago O'Hare (ORD)
8 San Francisco (SFO) - Los Angeles International (LAX)
9 Guadalajara (GDL) - Mexico City Juarez (MEX)
10 Los Angeles International (LAX) - Seattle-Tacoma (SEA)
11 Sao Paulo Congonhas (CGH) - Brasilia (BSB)
12 San Francisco (SFO) - New York JFK (JFK)
13 Bogota (BOG) - Cartagena (CTG)
14 New York LaGuardia (LGA) - Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson (ATL)
15 Bogota (BOG) - Cali (CLO)
16 Honolulu (HNL) - Kahului (OGG)
17 Orlando International (MCO) - Newark Liberty International (EWR)
18 Los Angeles International (LAX) - Chicago O'Hare (ORD)
19 Mexico City Juarez (MEX) - Tijuana (TIJ)
20 Quito (UIO) - Guayaquil (GYE)



"some" or the majority from this list ;-)
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:58 am

I’m surprised to see BOG listed three times on that list. I had no idea Columbia had so much air traffic.
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:52 am

william wrote:
So is Mex-Cancun a 30 minute shuttle, or widebodies to be #2 on the list?


The only Mexican domestic flights that use widebodies are some AM MEX-TIJ frequencies using 787-8.
 
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Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:54 am

william wrote:
So is Mex-Cancun a 30 minute shuttle, or widebodies to be #2 on the list?


No, that's a 2-hour flight... And yes, Aeroméxico operates Dreamliners in that route in high season. Here is a pic of the brand-new T-4 with one of them ready to leave bound to Mexico City:

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Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:48 am

26point2 wrote:
flyfresno wrote:
Surprised SFO-LAX isn't higher, although I would imagine all of SJC/OAK/SFO to all of LAX/BUR/ONT/LGB/SNA would top this list?


Is the LA-SF corridor still the busiest in the world? Was in the 80s and 90s but I’m not sure about today. Anyone?


Not the world, but maybe Americas? I think that was answered above (Korea)...
 
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Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:15 pm

KiloRomeoDelta wrote:
Mapped out the 20 routes. 18 out of 20 are fairly short "shuttle" type routes, and then two outliers being the US transcons!

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A most excellent presentation, good sir! :thumbsup:

The stats are for traffic in both directions for each pair, but is there any significance in which airport gets first listing? It's not alphabetical!
e.g. Mexico City is listed three times in the top 10, which is mind-boggling. But the third listing is less obvious because it shows MEX as the "destination" airport. Any ideas if that is relevant?

For instance; regarding Mexico's fourth listing - is there significantly more traffic between MEX-TIJ (northbound) than there is TIJ-MEX (southbound).
All answers to US Border Patrol, c/o Trump Towers. :lol:
 
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Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:45 pm

flyinggoat wrote:
I’m surprised to see BOG listed three times on that list. I had no idea Columbia had so much air traffic.

Colombia does have the second largest population in South America, several large cities and a topography that makes flying generally more efficient and convenient than driving.
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:00 pm

I wonder what this list would have looked like 60 years ago (1957), just before the jet age? anyone have info?
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:21 pm

Copied and pasted from 2015 data provided by Wikipedia:

1 Chicago, IL (Metro Area) - New York City, NY (Metro Area) 4,020,000
2 Los Angeles, CA (Metro Area) - San Francisco, CA (Metro Area) 3,660,000
3 Los Angeles, CA (Metro Area) - New York City, NY (Metro Area) 3,420,000
4 Chicago, IL (Metro Area) - Los Angeles, CA (Metro Area) 3,010,000
5 Miami, FL (Metro Area) - New York City, NY (Metro Area) 2,750,000
6 Atlanta, GA (Metro Area) - Chicago, IL (Metro Area) 2,720,000
7 Chicago, IL (Metro Area) - Minneapolis, MN (Metro Area) 2,720,000
8 Atlanta, GA (Metro Area) - New York City, NY (Metro Area) 2,600,000
9 Atlanta, GA (Metro Area) - Orlando, FL (Metro Area) 2,620,000
10 Chicago, IL (Metro Area) - Washington, DC (Metro Area) 2,620,000

To put it somehow into the right perspective, you should have a glance at the whole article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_b ... air_routes
 
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Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:19 pm

Kilopond wrote:
Copied and pasted from 2015 data provided by Wikipedia:

1 Chicago, IL (Metro Area) - New York City, NY (Metro Area) 4,020,000
2 Los Angeles, CA (Metro Area) - San Francisco, CA (Metro Area) 3,660,000
3 Los Angeles, CA (Metro Area) - New York City, NY (Metro Area) 3,420,000
4 Chicago, IL (Metro Area) - Los Angeles, CA (Metro Area) 3,010,000
etc

To put it somehow into the right perspective, you should have a glance at the whole article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_b ... air_routes

In case it isn't obvious.... ^ ^ ^ Busiest air routes by city pairs within the United States ^ ^ ^

And yes, the whole article is well worth examination, although it offers a confusion of mis-matched and conflicting data. For example, immediately above the US domestic table, is international data from Europe - but expressed for airport specific pairs.
LHR-JFK 3,078,693
LHR-EWR 1,000,189
LGW-JFK/EWR doesn't even get a mention
So, in total London-New York is easily 4 million+, which should qualify it for a mention in some of the other international tables displayed by Wikipedia. Something doesn't add up here???
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:31 pm

KrustyTheKlown wrote:
william wrote:
So is Mex-Cancun a 30 minute shuttle, or widebodies to be #2 on the list?


The only Mexican domestic flights that use widebodies are some AM MEX-TIJ frequencies using 787-8.


These flights are part of the route to China. I believe it is a technical stop but also to attend to the large Asian population in the Tijuana-Mexicali area. Many of the maquilas are of Chinese ownership.
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:58 pm

KiloRomeoDelta wrote:
Mapped out the 20 routes. 18 out of 20 are fairly short "shuttle" type routes, and then two outliers being the US transcons!

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if gcmapper had the ability, what would make that graphic even more telling is to adjust the thickness of each route relative to others in this top 20 list. more pax, thicker line. JFK-LAX/SFO would stick out like a sore thumb (JFK/EWR-LAX/SFO even moreso).
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:18 pm

I am not contesting the figures but find it hard to believe that the majority of these airport pairs --11 out of 20-- are not in the US and that Canada has no ranking whatsoever...bizarre...


Faro
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:27 pm

DesertAir wrote:
KrustyTheKlown wrote:
william wrote:
So is Mex-Cancun a 30 minute shuttle, or widebodies to be #2 on the list?


The only Mexican domestic flights that use widebodies are some AM MEX-TIJ frequencies using 787-8.


These flights are part of the route to China. I believe it is a technical stop but also to attend to the large Asian population in the Tijuana-Mexicali area. Many of the maquilas are of Chinese ownership.


The TIJ-PVG traffic would be bonus anyway. It only stopped at TIJ on the way to China but not on the way back.

It's a technical stop due to MEX being "hot and high" (aka not good for plane performance).

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
Kilopond wrote:
Copied and pasted from 2015 data provided by Wikipedia:

1 Chicago, IL (Metro Area) - New York City, NY (Metro Area) 4,020,000
2 Los Angeles, CA (Metro Area) - San Francisco, CA (Metro Area) 3,660,000
3 Los Angeles, CA (Metro Area) - New York City, NY (Metro Area) 3,420,000
4 Chicago, IL (Metro Area) - Los Angeles, CA (Metro Area) 3,010,000
etc

To put it somehow into the right perspective, you should have a glance at the whole article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_b ... air_routes

In case it isn't obvious.... ^ ^ ^ Busiest air routes by city pairs within the United States ^ ^ ^

And yes, the whole article is well worth examination, although it offers a confusion of mis-matched and conflicting data. For example, immediately above the US domestic table, is international data from Europe - but expressed for airport specific pairs.
LHR-JFK 3,078,693
LHR-EWR 1,000,189
LGW-JFK/EWR doesn't even get a mention
So, in total London-New York is easily 4 million+, which should qualify it for a mention in some of the other international tables displayed by Wikipedia. Something doesn't add up here???


That whole article is outdated anyway. People throw in random data here and there, but it doesn't even have the most updated list (from routesonline):

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... ir-routes/ (World Airport Pairs)
https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... -revealed/ (International Routes)

The city pair list was from BTS homepage anyway before they no longer show that stats. You can still look at individual airports and get a good feel of pax number, though.
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:35 pm

(Sorry for double post...I don't know why it happen)

Faro wrote:
I am not contesting the figures but find it hard to believe that the majority of these airport pairs --11 out of 20-- are not in the US and that Canada has no ranking whatsoever...bizarre...


Faro


How is it surprising anyway? Canada has one and only one busy routes in Toronto-Montreal. But on the Toronto side, traffic is split between YYZ and YTZ.

Some other busy routes, like NYC to S. Florida, is split between too many airports (i.e. JFK-FLL, LGA-MIA, EWR-FLL/MIA, etc.)

And none of the S. American route surprised me that much anyway. BOG-CLO/MDE has always been up there among the busiest routes, so is MEX-GDL/MTY/CUN and SDU-CGH.
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:05 pm

And DFW/DAL to IAH/HOU should be another big city pair.
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:22 pm

LAXLHR wrote:
I Disagree. It says AIRPORT pairs, not CITY pairs.

Edited.

twaconnie wrote:
I wonder what this list would have looked like 60 years ago (1957), just before the jet age? anyone have info?

Don't know but Chicago Midway was the busiest airport in the world at that time.
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:20 am

flyinggoat wrote:
I’m surprised to see BOG listed three times on that list. I had no idea Columbia had so much air traffic.


Here is something else that should be even more surprising: The second largest metropolitan economy in South America is Buenos Aires. Its airports are nowhere to be seen.
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:50 am

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
...regarding Mexico's fourth listing - is there significantly more traffic between MEX-TIJ (northbound) than there is TIJ-MEX (southbound).
All answers to US Border Patrol, c/o Trump Towers. :lol:


That's explained by AM's MEX-TIJ-PVG-MEX route. The Tijuana/San Diego border is the more heavily patrolled section of the US/MEX border and few attempt a illegal crossing there.
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:54 am

ghost77 wrote:
william wrote:
So is Mex-Cancun a 30 minute shuttle, or widebodies to be #2 on the list?


No, that's a 2-hour flight...[/img]



I think that by 30 min shuttle he meant "1 flight every 30 minutes" instead of a flight lasting 30 minutes.
 
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Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:33 am

incitatus wrote:
flyinggoat wrote:
I’m surprised to see BOG listed three times on that list. I had no idea Columbia had so much air traffic.


Here is something else that should be even more surprising: The second largest metropolitan economy in South America is Buenos Aires. Its airports are nowhere to be seen.


How is it surprising at all? Argentina simply doesn't have any busy domestic corridor.

And BTW, at least from 2013 number:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... th_America

BOG alone has more pax than AEP and EZE combined.

As for BOG flight routes itself - good luck having to drive through all those mountains. For example, driving between Bogota and Cali takes about 8-9 hours, while flying takes 1 hour. Take your pick. It's also why UIO-GYE and LIM-CUZ are busy air routes also. Driving through Andes is not fun, especially when you considered the roads are nowhere near US level.

dfwjim1 wrote:
And DFW/DAL to IAH/HOU should be another big city pair.


From BTS number it's about 1M on DFW-IAH and 1.1M on DAL-HOU. Since the Routesonline number tend to be smaller than BTS number, I would say the "real" number is closer to 1.5M total. While not small, it's not as big as people think.
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:37 am

zakuivcustom wrote:
ORDfan wrote:
DoctorVenkman wrote:
This list is misleading. It's not showing city pairs, rather it's showing airport pairs. This list would look a lot different if NYC, San Francisco, LA and Chicago had their airports grouped together. For example, EWR-LAX has around 900,000 annual passengers which would put NYC-LAX up to #2. Another egregious one is NYC - Chicago. Both EWR-ORD and JFK-ORD would add about 1,700,000 annual passengers combined putting the route roughly equal with Sao Paulo - Rio de Janeiro.


My sentiments exactly...you beat me to the punch. This is an airport pairs list. City pairs are much more demonstrative of demand and realized traffic between two cities, particularly when large metros have multiple airports. I don't have the #'s, but if you added MDW-LGA and MDW-EWR, then CHI-NYC would probably beat Sao Paulo - Rio.

Thread title should be amended.

Umm...not really about the MDW-LGA + MDW-EWR part. WN fly a grand total of max 6 flights between MDW and LGA, and max 4 flights between MDW and EWR. Meanwhile, 8 flights between GRU-SDU (All 737), 12+ flights on GRU-GIG, and 8 more on CGH-GIG, for a total of 28 (at least) flights between Sao Paulo and Rio NOT on SDU-CGH (Where there are about 40 flights every day).


Umm yes, if you include my original quotation of Doctor Venkman's remarks regarding ORD-EWR and ORD-JFK. My comments were a reference to the broader city pair of CHI-NYC. The point was to lump ORD-EWR + ORD-JFK + MDW-LGA + MDW-EWR to arrive at what is likely to be a greater sum than Sao Paulo - Rio.
 
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Re: 20 busiest city pairs in the Americas for this year

Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:56 pm

ORDfan wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
ORDfan wrote:

My sentiments exactly...you beat me to the punch. This is an airport pairs list. City pairs are much more demonstrative of demand and realized traffic between two cities, particularly when large metros have multiple airports. I don't have the #'s, but if you added MDW-LGA and MDW-EWR, then CHI-NYC would probably beat Sao Paulo - Rio.

Thread title should be amended.

Umm...not really about the MDW-LGA + MDW-EWR part. WN fly a grand total of max 6 flights between MDW and LGA, and max 4 flights between MDW and EWR. Meanwhile, 8 flights between GRU-SDU (All 737), 12+ flights on GRU-GIG, and 8 more on CGH-GIG, for a total of 28 (at least) flights between Sao Paulo and Rio NOT on SDU-CGH (Where there are about 40 flights every day).


Umm yes, if you include my original quotation of Doctor Venkman's remarks regarding ORD-EWR and ORD-JFK. My comments were a reference to the broader city pair of CHI-NYC. The point was to lump ORD-EWR + ORD-JFK + MDW-LGA + MDW-EWR to arrive at what is likely to be a greater sum than Sao Paulo - Rio.


To be fair, I did forgot about ORD-EWR and ORD-JFK. Even then, I still doubt it would be greater than SAO-RIO. My whole point was that you also have to factor in GRU-GIG, GRU-SDU, and CGH-GIG, all of which offset the "gain" from counting all the other NYC airports and MDW.

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