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Comfort + / Premium Economy U.S.?

Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:25 am

As DL and AA have launched a true Premium Economy/Comfort + Product, where/when will we see (and which city pairs can we book) scheduled Domestic U.S. flights with "W" class on offer?
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Re: Comfort + / Premium Economy U.S.?

Fri Nov 10, 2017 12:58 pm

As far as I know, in the near future DL's W product will not be seen on domestic hops unless an A350 is subbed in. With so few aircraft currently running the international routes, I doubt they will be redeployed anywhere else anytime soon. That being said, if an aircraft was to be subbed in, i'm guessing that W would be used for upgrades of E+ and high status passengers.

Don't know anything about AA's plans though.
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Re: Comfort + / Premium Economy U.S.?

Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:46 pm

I flew an AA B789 LAX-DFW in August in their Premium Economy. Quite comfortable. It was sold domestically as Main Cabin Extra, but slightly more expensive than normal MCE seats to upgrade (I think $60 vs $30).

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Re: Comfort + / Premium Economy U.S.?

Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:04 pm

AA is also using 772's on some HNL flights; they are being reconfigured to add W, and it will be available on flights to HNL/OGG which use that equipment. Will apparently have full meal and beverage service, in a major difference from regular Y.
 
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Re: Comfort + / Premium Economy U.S.?

Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:11 pm

mikegigs wrote:
As far as I know, in the near future DL's W product will not be seen on domestic hops unless an A350 is subbed in. With so few aircraft currently running the international routes, I doubt they will be redeployed anywhere else anytime soon. That being said, if an aircraft was to be subbed in, i'm guessing that W would be used for upgrades of E+ and high status passengers.


Delta is selling a W fare domestically now. For example, I just pulled up DTW-FLL and DTW-MDT fares on Delta.com. Delta offered me 4 fares on each, the letter codes are taken from the website:

Basic Economy (E)
Economy (V)
Comfort + (W)
First (G, A, P)
A300/A310/A319/A320/A321/A332/A333/707/712/727/732/733/734/735/738/739/752/753/762/763/764/772/789/DC8/DC9-10/30/40/50/MD81/83/87/88/90/L1011-/250/500/CRJ200/440/700/900/EMB135/140/145/170/175/190/328Jet/F70/SF3/BE1/J31
 
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Re: Comfort + / Premium Economy U.S.?

Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:41 pm

toltommy wrote:
mikegigs wrote:
As far as I know, in the near future DL's W product will not be seen on domestic hops unless an A350 is subbed in. With so few aircraft currently running the international routes, I doubt they will be redeployed anywhere else anytime soon. That being said, if an aircraft was to be subbed in, i'm guessing that W would be used for upgrades of E+ and high status passengers.


Delta is selling a W fare domestically now. For example, I just pulled up DTW-FLL and DTW-MDT fares on Delta.com. Delta offered me 4 fares on each, the letter codes are taken from the website:

Basic Economy (E)
Economy (V)
Comfort + (W)
First (G, A, P)

They now code their Comfort+ service as premium economy (W) domestically. This is still the same class of service as the buy-up option on American on United.
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Re: Comfort + / Premium Economy U.S.?

Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:45 pm

Does DL have any plans to retrofit the A330s or B767-400ERs with a W product, perhaps to better compete on routes like JFK or ATL to LAX or JFK to SFO? Each generally uses internationally-configured long-haul aircraft, be it a 757 with Delta One, a Boeing 767-300ER/400ER, or an Airbus A330-300. (I haven't seen a transcon A330-200 trip.)
 
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Re: Comfort + / Premium Economy U.S.?

Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:50 am

DLs domestic W does come with slightly more perks even though it's technically an E+ seat. I think the complimentary snacks are nicer and it includes free alcohol. Not sure that you'll see a true W seat though. International W is basically a domestic F seat, so unless they went 3-2 on the Airbus and Boeing narrowbodies, not much else they can do to the seat. That's probably gonna be a pricey seat too since it's not really like any other so it'll be a bespoke design for a relatively small cabin. It would also take away from F sales which the US3 are aggressively trying to sell. Domestic F upgrades are becoming surprisingly affordable in some cases. I've had it for less than $200 OW, even on a transcon. The biggest upgrades I could see them making are the ability to buy an F meal, get F premier check in, boarding, and baggage service, or just add a checked bag. I said when I flew DL W that I would rather have either the bag or the ability to buy the meal than the booze.
 
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Re: Comfort + / Premium Economy U.S.?

Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:01 am

ahj2000 wrote:

They now code their Comfort+ service as premium economy (W) domestically. This is still the same class of service as the buy-up option on American on United.


Lots of confusion here. Delta sells C+ as a separate fare class (W) both domestically and internationally. However, DL does NOT consider C+ to be a premium economy product. Their premium economy product is called "Premium Select" and uses completely different fare classes - P/A/G. They also now use these fare classes on partner metal premium economy seats (AF/AZ/VS). This product is only offered on international routes (on domestic routes, the P/A/G fare classes are used for discount F tickets). The various third party search engines will list DL C+ fares as "premium economy", but that's because they haven't added a category for C+/E+ style seating yet. DL itself does not consider C+ to be premium economy.
 
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Re: Comfort + / Premium Economy U.S.?

Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:17 am

michman wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:

They now code their Comfort+ service as premium economy (W) domestically. This is still the same class of service as the buy-up option on American on United.


Lots of confusion here. Delta sells C+ as a separate fare class (W) both domestically and internationally. However, DL does NOT consider C+ to be a premium economy product. Their premium economy product is called "Premium Select" and uses completely different fare classes - P/A/G. They also now use these fare classes on partner metal premium economy seats (AF/AZ/VS). This product is only offered on international routes (on domestic routes, the P/A/G fare classes are used for discount F tickets). The various third party search engines will list DL C+ fares as "premium economy", but that's because they haven't added a category for C+/E+ style seating yet. DL does not itself consider C+ to be premium economy.


Probably part of the reason they haven't added a category is because DL is the only one selling it as a separate class. You can't buy a Y+ ticket on AA or UA. You have to select a Y ticket and then pay to upgrade per segment. You don't have to upgrade all segments on multi stop itineraries whereas on DL you're on for the whole leg. It's actually a big PITA to comparison shop because it's not sold or priced apples to apples and I can't see how a search engine could list it. I will say DL W is typically cheaper than AA or UA Y+ upgrades on all segments.
 
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Re: Comfort + / Premium Economy U.S.?

Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:40 am

tjh8402 wrote:
michman wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:

They now code their Comfort+ service as premium economy (W) domestically. This is still the same class of service as the buy-up option on American on United.


Lots of confusion here. Delta sells C+ as a separate fare class (W) both domestically and internationally. However, DL does NOT consider C+ to be a premium economy product. Their premium economy product is called "Premium Select" and uses completely different fare classes - P/A/G. They also now use these fare classes on partner metal premium economy seats (AF/AZ/VS). This product is only offered on international routes (on domestic routes, the P/A/G fare classes are used for discount F tickets). The various third party search engines will list DL C+ fares as "premium economy", but that's because they haven't added a category for C+/E+ style seating yet. DL does not itself consider C+ to be premium economy.


Probably part of the reason they haven't added a category is because DL is the only one selling it as a separate class. You can't buy a Y+ ticket on AA or UA. You have to select a Y ticket and then pay to upgrade per segment. You don't have to upgrade all segments on multi stop itineraries whereas on DL you're on for the whole leg. It's actually a big PITA to comparison shop because it's not sold or priced apples to apples and I can't see how a search engine could list it. I will say DL W is typically cheaper than AA or UA Y+ upgrades on all segments.


Also, I would argue that as far as domestic travel goes, Delta's C+ is a slightly better product than UA's E+ or AA's MCE. DL's C+ includes a better snack selection than Y, a free adult beverage, dedicated overhead bin space, and Sky priority boarding. It also earns more miles in many SkyTeam FFPs.

UA's E+ includes the extra legroom and nothing more.
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Re: Comfort + / Premium Economy U.S.?

Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:47 am

One problem with 'Premium Economy' is that on some older model planes and ones that are overdue for refurbishment getting a few more inches of leg room is all you'll get. I was on UA 941 LRH-EWR which uses a 767-300 and had the older style seats, old tiny screen entertainment systems (except in Biz/1st), if put the tray table down wasn't any room between it and my overweight stomach. On my flight the prior week EWR-LHR, was on a 767-400 which beyond being a newer aircraft, had the newer thinner seats, much better entertainment systems and larger screens.
To me if on a base economy fare, you might be better off on choosing a newer or more recently refurbished aircraft than choosing PE unless you are taller and really need the additional seat pitch

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