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evank516 wrote:I do not know what country you live in, but most US carriers either have Business OR First Class. Very rare to have First, Business, and Economy on a US Airline, though I think there may be one carrier that has both on select aircraft only.
PatrickZ80 wrote:evank516 wrote:I do not know what country you live in, but most US carriers either have Business OR First Class. Very rare to have First, Business, and Economy on a US Airline, though I think there may be one carrier that has both on select aircraft only.
Although not a US Airline, KLM still has three classes on their 747s and probably some other types.
However, I'm seeing a change in the opposite direction. Economy can basically be split in premium economy, standard economy and basic economy. The seats are exactly the same, however the service level varies. Premium economy includes a free suitcase, free meal and free seat selection. Standard economy includes a free suitcase and basic economy doesn't include anything.
zrs70 wrote:When business class first came out, it was a small section in front of economy and behind first. The sheets for pretty much the same as economy seats.
It evolved, and a little more space without overtime. Now, of course, we see full flat direct Aisle access seats.
With premium getting better and better, how far into the future will we have flatbed economy?
PatrickZ80 wrote:All right. That's the first time I've heard of seperate seats for regular and premium economy, usually they're in the same seats.
FlyHappy wrote:there will never, ever be a "lie flat" (ie, a bed!) seat labeled as "economy".
Unless, of course, an airline manages to get stacked (bunks) pax past regulators.
Picture it - Tokyo microcapsule hotel meets air travel
BENAir01 wrote:Air New Zealand’s Premium Economy And QF’s upcoming premium economy are pretty close to having direct aisle access, and they are very private, so I would say not even a decade until we see some basic flat he’s seats in PE
Note I’m talking about real PE and not Y+ like some answerers think this thread is about.
BTW what D7 calls Premium Economy is flat bed. Does that count?
PatrickZ80 wrote:All right. That's the first time I've heard of seperate seats for regular and premium economy, usually they're in the same seats.
pezzy669 wrote:PatrickZ80 wrote:All right. That's the first time I've heard of seperate seats for regular and premium economy, usually they're in the same seats.
DL's new long haul premium economy product will have different seats that at least to the naked eye in promo photos has a leg rest, not sure what other differences there may be. Some Euro and Asian carriers I believe have larger seats in E+.
Qatara340 wrote:zrs70 wrote:When business class first came out, it was a small section in front of economy and behind first. The sheets for pretty much the same as economy seats.
It evolved, and a little more space without overtime. Now, of course, we see full flat direct Aisle access seats.
With premium getting better and better, how far into the future will we have flatbed economy?
There is already. Its called British Airways. But, they call the cabin Club World.
PatrickZ80 wrote:evank516 wrote:I do not know what country you live in, but most US carriers either have Business OR First Class. Very rare to have First, Business, and Economy on a US Airline, though I think there may be one carrier that has both on select aircraft only.
Although not a US Airline, KLM still has three classes on their 747s and probably some other types.
However, I'm seeing a change in the opposite direction. Economy can basically be split in premium economy, standard economy and basic economy. The seats are exactly the same, however the service level varies. Premium economy includes a free suitcase, free meal and free seat selection. Standard economy includes a free suitcase and basic economy doesn't include anything.
george77300 wrote:Qatara340 wrote:zrs70 wrote:When business class first came out, it was a small section in front of economy and behind first. The sheets for pretty much the same as economy seats.
It evolved, and a little more space without overtime. Now, of course, we see full flat direct Aisle access seats.
With premium getting better and better, how far into the future will we have flatbed economy?
There is already. Its called British Airways. But, they call the cabin Club World.
Absolutely. BA has been flying flat bed premium Economy for years in a 2-4-2 configuration. (It’s just called Club World.)
FlyHappy wrote:george77300 wrote:Qatara340 wrote:
There is already. Its called British Airways. But, they call the cabin Club World.
Absolutely. BA has been flying flat bed premium Economy for years in a 2-4-2 configuration. (It’s just called Club World.)
Club World is Business Class, pure and simple. In BA's own words: "This is our business class, available on long haul flights."
World Traveler plus is the Premium Economy offering... not lie flat.
george77300 wrote:FlyHappy wrote:george77300 wrote:
Absolutely. BA has been flying flat bed premium Economy for years in a 2-4-2 configuration. (It’s just called Club World.)
Club World is Business Class, pure and simple. In BA's own words: "This is our business class, available on long haul flights."
World Traveler plus is the Premium Economy offering... not lie flat.
I don’t think you quite got the joke. I’m well aware Ba has Club World and World Traveller Plus. It’s just a joke about how narrow seat is 2-4-2 (in business on 777) and what a terrible product that it is effectively a good premium economy and their first 1-2-1 reverse herringbone is like a good business class.
FlyHappy wrote:george77300 wrote:FlyHappy wrote:
Club World is Business Class, pure and simple. In BA's own words: "This is our business class, available on long haul flights."
World Traveler plus is the Premium Economy offering... not lie flat.
I don’t think you quite got the joke. I’m well aware Ba has Club World and World Traveller Plus. It’s just a joke about how narrow seat is 2-4-2 (in business on 777) and what a terrible product that it is effectively a good premium economy and their first 1-2-1 reverse herringbone is like a good business class.
Indeed, I did miss the joke.
Its a sad comment that I would be thrilled to be in 2 x 4 x 2 lie-flat - is it really that bad, it looks staggered to me ; doesn't that give it more effective width?
FlyHappy wrote:george77300 wrote:FlyHappy wrote:
Club World is Business Class, pure and simple. In BA's own words: "This is our business class, available on long haul flights."
World Traveler plus is the Premium Economy offering... not lie flat.
I don’t think you quite got the joke. I’m well aware Ba has Club World and World Traveller Plus. It’s just a joke about how narrow seat is 2-4-2 (in business on 777) and what a terrible product that it is effectively a good premium economy and their first 1-2-1 reverse herringbone is like a good business class.
Indeed, I did miss the joke.
Its a sad comment that I would be thrilled to be in 2 x 4 x 2 lie-flat - is it really that bad, it looks staggered to me ; doesn't that give it more effective width?
PatrickZ80 wrote:
Although not a US Airline, KLM still has three classes on their 747s and probably some other types.
george77300 wrote:Qatara340 wrote:zrs70 wrote:When business class first came out, it was a small section in front of economy and behind first. The sheets for pretty much the same as economy seats.
It evolved, and a little more space without overtime. Now, of course, we see full flat direct Aisle access seats.
With premium getting better and better, how far into the future will we have flatbed economy?
There is already. Its called British Airways. But, they call the cabin Club World.
Absolutely. BA has been flying flat bed premium Economy for years in a 2-4-2 configuration. (It’s just called Club World.)
PatrickZ80 wrote:All right. That's the first time I've heard of seperate seats for regular and premium economy, usually they're in the same seats.