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fiscal wrote:If he's from Germany, then please note that credit cards are rather uncommon there in comparison with other countries, so assume that he may not have one and that he doesn't have/use Paypal. If he paid by direct deposit, or cash, he can only hope he can get refunded because there's no chargeback for that. If he paid by getting his account automatically charged (aka Lastschriftverfahren), he can only charge back within 8 weeks after the fact. And if he paid with his debit card (which are mostly Maestro cards in Germany and can't be used like credit cards), the charge has to be debited on the account as a deduction by Lastschriftverfahren, or else it's the same thing as with a direct deposit or paying in cash.credit card reversal?
LTU932 wrote:fiscal wrote:If he's from Germany, then please note that credit cards are rather uncommon there in comparison with other countries, so assume that he may not have one and that he doesn't have/use Paypal. If he paid by direct deposit, or cash, he can only hope he can get refunded because there's no chargeback for that. If he paid by getting his account automatically charged (aka Lastschriftverfahren), he can only charge back within 8 weeks after the fact. And if he paid with his debit card (which are mostly Maestro cards in Germany and can't be used like credit cards), the charge has to be debited on the account as a deduction by Lastschriftverfahren, or else it's the same thing as with a direct deposit or paying in cash.credit card reversal?
That being said, even if he does charge back the money successfully, I can almost certainly guarantee that EW will send a collection office after him, regardless of the legal situation between him and the airline. And that can have a very negative impact in his credit rating. So whatever needs to be done, he has to decide wisely and after thorough thought.
debonair wrote:Had exactly the same problem with Eurowings, seems common and for me no wonder why LH posted the best first quarter results... BTW. I won my case after some s**t storm on facebook about their poor customer service.
BIG mistake, in first place you should have contacted the dedicated Ground Handling company at Geneva Airport. Now you have to find the reason, why the flight was cancelled in first place. They can't just deny your claim, they have to give an explanation. If it was an act of god (bad weather, fog etc.) you are screwed up. However, if you are entitled for compensation, you can not only claim the refund, but also a compensation. So, in this case, I would hand over the claim to a specialized company, like flightright, eu-claim, flug-verspaetet etc.! Good luck!
L410Turbolet wrote:Try this guy:
http://www.kanzlei-irion.de/
Herr Harald Irion ra@kanzlei-irion.de
Tel.: (07725) 9 14 99 - 25
conaly wrote:Lol, currently I'm having more or less the same problems with them. My flight on 2nd June was cancelled, I took a rental car instead (NUE-DUS) as the next flight would have gone only two days later (and my return flight was the the same day...). I even asked their worker, who gave us the passenger rights and confirmation of the cancellation, if they will refund money for a rental car, which she confirmed. So afterwards I've been in mail contact with Eurowings. At first they only agreed to pay the compensation of 250€ for the cancelled flight. I refused and said, that they also need to pay for the rental car and gas, as there was no alternative transportation offered. Well, of course they refused a few times. At some point they offered my to refund the flight ticket, which I also refused, as the flight ticket was much less than what I had to pay for the rental car. The last thing they offered was to let "Schlichtungsstelle" handle the issue, which I refused again. Now I'm waiting for my last set deadline to pass by and if still don't have the money on my account I will sue them. I'm already in contact with a lawyer regarding this. I suggest you do the same, a lawyer should be much more threatening to them.
Stratofish wrote:A: I think this is the wrong forum but we'll leave that to the moderators.
B: In most European airports a gate is a gate. A place and facility to bard an aircraft. It is not where customer issues are solved. A cancellation is anounced by information screens and maybe PA announcement. No need to send anyone to the gate as nothing can be solved from there. Remember: gate agents are not ticketing agents who are what you need in that situation. Also computers at gates are connected to the departure control system (DCS), not the ticketing system, for good reason.
C: I don't know what EW told you exactly on the telephone so this is where you might stand a chance in case of any judicial proceedings, but usually you do not have the (EU-)right to fly that night no matter what. What I mean is the carrier has to offer you the next AVAILABLE flights within good reason (which most translate into: "on our network or partners") or try to provide a hotel room if needed. "Right to Care" If you chose to fly on a different carrier that night just because you wanted to be home THAT night I think you probably won't get that flight reimbursed since it was out of your stipulated rights. Again, difficult to tell if that phone call might actually work in your favor.
D: To the gentleman who took the rental car: don't ever do that!! That information given to you was unfortunately wrong. I don't want to sound rude here so please take it as pure advice: some airlines might pay arental car to get you to your destination. But they use vouchers that they issue to you before you go the rental companies.
Again, this is pure advice and I got no intention to sound rude (although I still think this is the wrong forum )
Stratofish wrote:D: To the gentleman who took the rental car: don't ever do that!! That information given to you was unfortunately wrong. I don't want to sound rude here so please take it as pure advice: some airlines might pay arental car to get you to your destination. But they use vouchers that they issue to you before you go the rental companies.
dik909 wrote:On the 6th of last month (July) my Eurowings flight was cancelled from Geneva to Duesseldorf. The best part, they didn't send anyone to the gate to assist stranded passengers, and there's no dedicated Eurowings desk at Geneva airport. All of us passengers were forced to go to other airlines for help: Air Berlin, Air France, Swissair, etc.. I called Eurowings and explained the situation and the woman told me on the phone that my only option to get home that night was to book on another airline, then to send Eurowings the bill, which I did.
The best part: They are now trying to deny my request for financial compensation (~560 Euros). I appealed their decision, threatening legal action, which they again denied. I am at my wits' end, and am so angry about this that I can barely see straight.
Please, any advice/assistance you can offer would be GREATLY appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
JD
conaly wrote:Lol, currently I'm having more or less the same problems with them.
ronchetti wrote:
Some years ago happened the same related to a flight cancellation from MAN to MXP with Volare Web Airline. After a lot of discussion about the repayment for the return ticket by FlyBee, I wrotefor the claim to the Italian Civil Aviation Public Organ9ization (ENAC) and they contacted the airline making pressure to grant the repayment, as European rules are clear: if the cancellation is not due to reasons not linked with the airline (weather, strikes....) the airline must repay you. Try the same with the German Civil Aviation.
debonair wrote:
As I wrote before, I have problems with them too. The customer service is a nightmare...
I had booked a flight from MAN to HAM via DUS. The first was delayed - no staff at MAN airport, impossible to make the connection at DUS. But there was a non-stop flight to HAM later that evening. Called their fantastic helpline and asked for rebooking - final word: you have to stay on your booked flight, we will hold the flight in DUS for you! Yeah right!
After arrival in DUS, surprise, the connection was gone, I was rebooked to the next flight with hotel accommodation. But then the staff decided to cancel all arrangements and put me on the next available bus(!!) from DUS to HAM. I refused. Arriving nearly 24hrs later at my final destination, I claimed for compensation. No response; only after I posted on their facebook page comments about their non-existent customer service, they agreed to pay within 24hrs...
dik909 wrote:By chance, do you know who the German aviation authority is ?
dik909 wrote:Sounds like I should make a fuss on their Facebook page..
If you were denied boarding, your flight was cancelled, you experienced a delay of more than 2 hours at departure or
you arrive with a long delay at your final destination, the operating air carrier must give you a written notice setting out
the rules for compensation and assistance.
debonair wrote:
What's your nationality? Do you speak German?
1. Free of Charge is the "SÖP": https://soep-online.de/welcome.html (problem it is non-binding)
2. A list with all National Enforcement Bodies: https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/tr ... bodies.pdf
Good luck!!
Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
They are acting like all other LCC. Trying to escape their legal obligation to reimburse you.
See this http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/tr ... dex_en.htm and this http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/na ... pic=travel
From the first link:If you were denied boarding, your flight was cancelled, you experienced a delay of more than 2 hours at departure or
you arrive with a long delay at your final destination, the operating air carrier must give you a written notice setting out
the rules for compensation and assistance.
LTU932 wrote:fiscal wrote:If he's from Germany, then please note that credit cards are rather uncommon there in comparison with other countries, so assume that he may not have one and that he doesn't have/use Paypal. .credit card reversal?
Nicoeddf wrote:I don't know, but that's my experience. And compared to other countries, Germany is far more into cash than other places, while e.g. in the US, it's more common to pay bigger amounts with their credit card than in cash.LTU932 wrote:fiscal wrote:If he's from Germany, then please note that credit cards are rather uncommon there in comparison with other countries, so assume that he may not have one and that he doesn't have/use Paypal. .credit card reversal?
Haha...WHAT? I don't know anybody in Germany not having at least one credit card nor do I know anyone below 45 not using Paypal...
conaly wrote:Germany is like a 3rd world country in regards to credit card acceptance. Many shops, even bigger chains and a lot of restaurants don't accept credit cards at all. And I actually do know a few people around my age (mid-20s), who do not have any credit cards, don't have a PayPal account and don't even use online banking. Germany always has been very cash-affine, or as alternative many prefer normal bank transfer over credit card payment. Cheques I haven't seen even once in my life. "Nur Bares ist Wahres", or in English: "only (hard) cash is true (money)".
conaly wrote:My experience is different, especially when it comes to shops and restaurants. I've worked at bigger supermarket chain a few years ago: no credit cards at all. My sister works in a restaurant: neither credit, no debit cards. So I highly doubt your 95% credit card acceptance in restaurants. I do know a lot of them, which don't even accept debit cards. For hotels, rental cars or shopping centers with high priced goods (electronics, machines etc) it's of course not a problem.
You can use one of those refund companies on the Internet. (just google refund cancelled EU flight or whatever). You just have to send them a picture/scan with some proof that you had a ticket on that flight.
My experience is different, especially when it comes to shops and restaurants. I've worked at bigger supermarket chain a few years ago: no credit cards at all. My sister works in a restaurant: neither credit, no debit cards. So I highly doubt your 95% credit card acceptance in restaurants. I do know a lot of them, which don't even accept debit cards. For hotels, rental cars or shopping centers with high priced goods (electronics, machines etc) it's of course not a problem.
fortytwoeyes wrote:It's changing, credit cards are becoming more accepted in Germany, but my advice to any traveller would still be "they might take them, but do not expect it and always have an alternative on hand"
SCQ83 wrote:You mean Maestro cards? Debit cards that could be used like credit cards (e.g. with Visa or Mastercard logo, like the one I have) are not issued in Germany (at least not by most banks), they issue Maestro. Previously they were EC (Eurocheque) cards, hence why Germans still call their ATM cards EC-Karte. The EC now stands for "electronic cash".fortytwoeyes wrote:It's changing, credit cards are becoming more accepted in Germany, but my advice to any traveller would still be "they might take them, but do not expect it and always have an alternative on hand"
I was in IKEA in Cologne in 2014 and they didn't accept debit or credit card (they accepted this weird German card-check which I can't recall its name). I was shocked. Fortunately it was a quick purchase of a few dozen euros so I had cash.
LTU932 wrote:SCQ83 wrote:You mean Maestro cards? Debit cards that could be used like credit cards (e.g. with Visa or Mastercard logo, I have an internationally usable debit card with Mastercard logo from Banco de Costa Rica) are not issued in Germany (at least not by most banks), they issue Maestro. Previously they were EC (Eurocheque) cards, hence why Germans still call their ATM cards EC-Karte. The EC now stands for "electronic cash"..fortytwoeyes wrote:It's changing, credit cards are becoming more accepted in Germany, but my advice to any traveller would still be "they might take them, but do not expect it and always have an alternative on hand"
I was in IKEA in Cologne in 2014 and they didn't accept debit or credit card (they accepted this weird German card-check which I can't recall its name). I was shocked. Fortunately it was a quick purchase of a few dozen euros so I had cash.
SCQ83 wrote:Yes, it was indeed so that most stores didn't accept credit cards at all in Germany. It's also true that nowadays, places like Aldi (probably Aldi Süd, because I never saw that in Aldi Nord before I left) or Netto (the Netto that belongs to Edeka, no idea about the other Netto with the dog and basket logo) are starting to accept credit cards. I know the Netto near my old apartment was advertising that.LTU932 wrote:SCQ83 wrote:You mean Maestro cards? Debit cards that could be used like credit cards (e.g. with Visa or Mastercard logo, I have an internationally usable debit card with Mastercard logo from Banco de Costa Rica) are not issued in Germany (at least not by most banks), they issue Maestro. Previously they were EC (Eurocheque) cards, hence why Germans still call their ATM cards EC-Karte. The EC now stands for "electronic cash"..
I was in IKEA in Cologne in 2014 and they didn't accept debit or credit card (they accepted this weird German card-check which I can't recall its name). I was shocked. Fortunately it was a quick purchase of a few dozen euros so I had cash.
Yes, exactly the EC-Karte, a very German thing
So they didn't accept any EU-issued "normal" card like I had, Mastercard, AMEX or Visa, whether it was debit or credit.
dik909 wrote:Please let me know how your "case" unfolds, and I'll do the same. Perhaps we can offer each other useful information along the way.
conaly wrote:So, conclusion came in: after Germanwings got mail from the court, they accepted all of my demands and refunded me everything including interest rate.