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A Netters: Rank Your Most Revolutionary Commerical Aircraft.

Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:31 pm

This thread is intended to get people's opinions on the aircraft they think were most revolutionary to commercial jet aviation. Obviously there are no right or wrong answers. I am just interested in folks expressing their opinions and why they made the choice(s) they did.

I'll start things off with a few I think were revolutionary.


1. 707. Really the template for all commercial jets that followed.

2. 747. First wide-body that truly revolutionized long haul aviation.

3. A320. Airbus had the insight to take an existing military technology (true fly-by-wire) and apply it for the first time to commercial jets.

4. 777. In its on way as revolutionary as the 747. I call it the twin that killed the 4 engine VLA.


That is my short list. Please include your own examples and why you chose them. :smile:
707 717 727 72S 737 733 737-700 747 757 753 767-300 764 A319 A320 DC-9-10 DC-9-30 DC-9-50, MD-82 MD-88 MD-90 DC-10-10 DC-10-40 F-100
 
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Re: A Netters: Rank Your Most Revolutionary Commerical Aircraft.

Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:35 pm

The A320 has obviously been an immensely successful aircraft, but I'm not sure it has been as truly "revolutionary" as the 707, 747 and 777. If anything, in terms of completely altering the market dynamics for narrowbody transportation, I'd say the 737 or DC-9 probably ranks higher - long-term - than the A320.

The thread title says "most revolutionary commercial aircraft," but the first sentence refers specifically to jet aviation. If it's the former and not the latter, I'd say the DC-3 certainly needs to be in the top 5 - the DC-3 is the airplane that made civil aviation a commercial enterprise.
 
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Re: A Netters: Rank Your Most Revolutionary Commerical Aircraft.

Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:43 pm

For jets: add the De Havilland DH 106 Comet (first jet liner), the Concorde (or Tu144 if you wish, commercial super sonic a/c), B787 pioneering large scale composites. The B747 I agree, first widebody. I see the 777 more of an evolution, not revolution.
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Re: A Netters: Rank Your Most Revolutionary Commerical Aircraft.

Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:45 pm

Add the A300 for introducing the wide body dual aisle twin.
 
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Re: A Netters: Rank Your Most Revolutionary Commerical Aircraft.

Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:51 pm

ElroyJetson wrote:
3. A320. Airbus had the insight to take an existing military technology (true fly-by-wire) and apply it for the first time to commercial jets.


Doesn't Concorde hold that honour?

For me it's Concorde for the reason quoted above, and the fact that it enabled supersonic commercial transportation.

My number 2 is the A300 for being the first twin jet widebody, and first Airbus (German/French/UK/Spanish) product. Airbus has obviously had a massive influence on this industry, so I feel their first product should get at least an honorary mention.
 
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Re: A Netters: Rank Your Most Revolutionary Commerical Aircraft.

Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:45 pm

Hard to rank them but off the top of my head.


1. Boeing 247 - The blueprint for the modern airliner big advances in technology (All Metal design, cantilever wing, autopilot, deicing, retractable gear)

2. Boeing 707 (And to a degree Douglas DC-8 also) - First mass produced jets. Huge advances in comfort and speed from their predecessors which for the most part were piston powered propliners.

3. Boeing 747 - The aircraft that made long haul air travel economical for the wider public.

4. Boeing 767 - Pioneered ETOPS allowing for scores of new oceanic citypairs previously unviable with larger or inefficient aircraft.

5. Boeing 307 - Brought about pressurisation.

6. Hawker Siddeley Trident - Pioneered zero visibility autolands.

Honorable mention to the De Havilland Comet for all the wrong reasons. Taught us invaluable lessons about metal fatigue and the importance of thorough flight testing.
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Re: A Netters: Rank Your Most Revolutionary Commerical Aircraft.

Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:45 pm

The 757 / 767, first glass cockpit.
 
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Re: A Netters: Rank Your Most Revolutionary Commerical Aircraft.

Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:28 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
The 757 / 767, first glass cockpit.


Wasn't the MD-80 the first to have a glass cockpit?
 
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Re: A Netters: Rank Your Most Revolutionary Commerical Aircraft.

Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:22 am

fabian9 wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:
The 757 / 767, first glass cockpit.


Wasn't the MD-80 the first to have a glass cockpit?


Not until the introduction of the MD-87 around the 1986 timeframe. Earlier frames were delivered with analogue gauges. Some eventually got upgraded with EADI/EHSI but the 757/767 had it from the get go.
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Re: A Netters: Rank Your Most Revolutionary Commerical Aircraft.

Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:44 am

1. DC3 - allowed for global spread of commercial aviation
2. 747 - iconic masterpiece of aviation, also enabled the middle class to fly nonstop over the Atlantic and Pacific
3. 707 - enabled safe and reliable nonstop jet travel across the Atlantic and US TCON
4. 767 - 787 of its day
5. A320 - first FBW airliner
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Re: A Netters: Rank Your Most Revolutionary Commerical Aircraft.

Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:23 pm

I know they aren't the favorite of anet, but I have a lot of respect for the 787/A350. By themselves, they may not be the most successful of all time, but I appreciate them for opening the door to next-gen materials and super long & thin routes.
 
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Re: A Netters: Rank Your Most Revolutionary Commerical Aircraft.

Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:34 am

The Comet - first commercial jet
Concorde - first supersonic commercial and the only one to enter service
Airbus A300 - first twin aisle two engined
Airbus A320 - first fly by wire commercial jet....
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Re: A Netters: Rank Your Most Revolutionary Commerical Aircraft.

Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:40 pm

1- DC3 - first big commercial plane.
2- Comet - first jet
3- Concorde - first supersonic jet
4- 747 - first widebody
5- 757 - that takeoff performance tho
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Re: A Netters: Rank Your Most Revolutionary Commerical Aircraft.

Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:03 pm

I would list the following:

1. Douglas DC-3 -- the plane that made passenger travel profitable for the airlines. The ability to fly from New York to Los Angeles in 17 hours was a GIGANTIC leap the the reduction of time traveling between these two cities--less than half the time it took for Santa Fe's Super Chief to travel between Los Angeles and Chicago by rail.

2. Lockheed Constellation -- the plane that made non-stop trancontinental flights possible between Los Angeles and New York City. Its range and speed in its heyday made it very popular among many airlines.

3. Boeing 707 -- unlike the de Havilland Comet, the 707's much longer range and much higher carrying capacity was truly the plane that started the Jet Age. This was especially true when the 707-320 Intercontinental model arrived in 1960.

4. Sud-Aviation Caravelle -- this plane proved that jet airliners could operate on shorter, lower-capacity routes profitably. Its success likely resulted in Boeing developing the 727 and 737 smaller airliners derived from 707 technology.

5. Boeing 747 -- the plane that truly democratized international air travel, because its carrying capacity made it possible for far more people to travel on intercontinental flights at much lower cost.

6. Airbus A320 -- the plane that finally meant Airbus could be a serious competitor to Boeing, especially on short to medium range routes.

7. Boeing 777 -- the plane that finally validated twin-engine design for intercontinental flights, even more so than the Boeing 767. This was especially true for the 777-300ER (77W), the plane that became the true successor to the 747 for many airlines.
 
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Re: A Netters: Rank Your Most Revolutionary Commerical Aircraft.

Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:33 pm

Firstly I nearly made the mistake some of you have made by not reading the initial question properly. ...

"Most revolutionary to commercial JET aviation"

1. Comet - for being the first. It's faults and failings made the 707 a better plane.

2. 707 - for the issues of the Comet project the 707 went on to help bring the world into the jet age and lead the way in air travel in the 60s. Numerous variants built covering a range of duties. A very versatile plane.

3. Concorde - no explanation needed. As someone said on her retirement, tomorrow we are actually taking a step backwards as supersonic travel ends.

4.747 - a head turner in his day. Everything about her surpassed what went before. Brought intercontinental travel to the masses for the first time.

5. A300 - the multinational programme bringing state of the art features and new levels of engineering to the industry.

6. 737 - if the 747 brought intercontinental travels to the masses the 737 was the workhorse of the masses. Longevity and versatility remain key. The 737 has brought the jet age to places in the world where Air links were at best patchy or primitive.

7. A320 - the plane that made the large scale FBW concept plus also put Airbus Industries on the map as a major constructor to rival Boeing and McDonnell.

8. 787 - revolutionary design and materials meant there were growing pains initially but now showing it's pedigree and opening up new markets on secondary routes previously not possible or viable.

9. A380 - and why not? Where once the 747 turned heads today the A380 does that. You only have to watch the reaction of other passengers to see that. A beast of a plane but so smooth and quiet. When Boeing decided an another version of the 747, Airbus went for revolution rather than evolution. I still maintain we have not seen the best days of the A380 yet, with increasing numbers travelling and congestion at major hubs if you can't increase frequency what else can you do?

10. So what will it be? 757? 767? Tristar?
The BAe 146...... it filled the early gap of the small Regional jet. With its quiet whispering engines and take off and landing performance making it popular for rural or innercity airports. The forerunner of the regional jets we have today.

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