FlyHappy wrote:I just became aware of Icelandairs unusual (or isn't it?) offering of Economy Comfort where they "reserve" the center seat (B757) and only sell 4 across, in spite of having 6 seats (yes, these rows have more pitch). Naturally, this requires the fare to be quite substantial, and sure enough, the cost seems rather close to their true 4 across business class seats.
So I ask: does this offering work for them financially? Personally, I cannot imagine considering those EC fares and not go all the way (looks like 10 - 20% +) to business class.
Has anyone flown this and have a comment? I am surprised that selling 4 x at a higher fare would generate more revenue than 6 x at a lower fare.
Are there other carriers that have this practice?
FlyHappy wrote:Are there other carriers that have this practice?
Westjet does this with the first 3 rows of their 737's, they call it Westjet Plus. Middle seats are blocked off and there is an insert that rests on the seat with a tray table top type of thing.
Air Transat also started doing the same thing earlier this year with their 737 product but only on the first 2 rows, 1,2,3 ABC and 1,2 DEF. The move was to better align the wide-body ClubClass product with the 737's.
ryan78 wrote:Many airlines seem to be doing this so obviously it is worth it to take away seats while charging double for the others. I just don't understand why anyone would pay that much extra for it. Just a quick search on Westjet, YYZ-YUL is $133 one way in a regular economy seat, but Westjet Plus seat is $358 one way. The only difference is that middle tray table, 2-3 extra inches of legroom and I get free drinks and food ($12.99 for a sandwich, water and snack, $16.29 with a beer) and 1 checked bag ($25).
readytotaxi wrote:I can not agree that Saga Class equates with J by any standard. A very good Y+ upgrade yes for 4 hrs, but it is not J by todays standard, just my
Shuttle12T wrote:I flew Y+ with Icelandair about a year and a half ago now having bid for an upgrade, which I got with a relatively low offer I recall. I've left a link to the TR I did below but in summary it was a nice experience overall, I got access to the very nice saga lounge at KEF and as mentioned above onboard the middle seat is converted to a table, I was also given a pillow and blanket on my seat along with a bottle of water and some headphones which I still have. Onboard service is basically choose what you like for the BoB menu. All in all I enjoyed it, not sure I'd have payed the full price for it but if you can get a decent upgrade offer then it's worth thinking about.
FlyHappy wrote:I'But I ask you, if I were to book Y on this flight at 257, do you have any sense of what kind of offer/bid FI might send out for Y+ upgrades assuming availability? Do they also offer upgrades to J?
longhauler wrote:FlyHappy wrote:I'But I ask you, if I were to book Y on this flight at 257, do you have any sense of what kind of offer/bid FI might send out for Y+ upgrades assuming availability? Do they also offer upgrades to J?
I recently flew on Icelandair YYZ-KEF-YYZ and booked the lowest Y fare for the two of us. Three days before the flight, we received an email offering CAD 50 per person per leg for Y+ and CAD 200 per person per leg for Saga class, which I accepted.
Saga Class was fine. It was similar to a Domestic J Class product and about the same as an International Premium Economy product .. and was priced about the same.
I enjoyed Icelandair, and Iceland in general .... KEF is a bit of a goat show, but that's half the fun!
FlyHappy wrote:do you have any comment or observation about the density of the classes on your flight? did they manage to fill J (or Y+ if you looked) based on this discounting strategy?
longhauler wrote:I would guess the aircraft to be about half full in all classes, maybe a bit more in Y. It looked like only about 30 passengers were going to KEF, the rest were transiting.
FlyHappy wrote:longhauler wrote:I would guess the aircraft to be about half full in all classes, maybe a bit more in Y. It looked like only about 30 passengers were going to KEF, the rest were transiting.
wow. how the heck do they turn a profit? (and yet they do, I understand....)
longhauler wrote:We went on 600, leaving YYZ shortly after noon. And returned on 603 leaving KEF in the late afternoon.
Both flights were a 757-200. The return was a bit fuller in Y. We were the only two in Saga Class.
I liked Icelandair. Both flights left on time, the aircraft was spotless and the Flight Attendants were very friendly. We chose them over Rouge, so we could try them out and I was not disappointed.
Iceland is an amazing place and I recommend it to anyone. We bought a tour for fly fishing and it was first rate. It is a very expensive place ... but so is most of Europe in July!
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