Airports with only one 747 pax service left

KTPAFlyer · Sun May 21, 2017 11:54 pm

Hello A.net,

Thought this might be an interesting thread, feel free to add any airports that come to mind.

DFW (BA)
EWR (LH)
PHL (BA)
PHX (BA)
IAD (LH)

Armodeen · Mon May 22, 2017 12:12 am

MAN only has VS these days, although they do fly multiple destinations with it.

KTPAFlyer · Mon May 22, 2017 12:28 am

Armodeen wrote:
MAN only has VS these days, although they do fly multiple destinations with it.

Just realized that by that metric, DTW has only DL, but they fly it to multiple destinations as well.

shaneam12 · Mon May 22, 2017 12:31 am

KTPAFlyer wrote:
Hello A.net,

Thought this might be an interesting thread, feel free to add any airports that come to mind.

DFW (BA)
EWR (LH)
PHL (BA)
PHX (BA)
IAD (LH)

IAD currently has 2x BA 744s (1x 380/ 1x 744 during the summer months), 1x LH 748, and an additional 1x LH 744 during the summer months. If I count correctly, that is a total of 3x 747s year-round.

LVICS · Mon May 22, 2017 12:40 am

EZE (LH)

KTPAFlyer · Mon May 22, 2017 1:04 am

jerseyewr777 · Mon May 22, 2017 1:17 am

El Al seems to fly 747's into EWR on Sundays. Saw one earlier today. That would make it LH & LY for EWR.

vhqpa · Mon May 22, 2017 1:17 am

BNE - QF15 to LAX / QF16 from LAX

TWA772LR · Mon May 22, 2017 2:00 am

If you discount "scheduled charters" IAH only has a daily 74M from KLM.

ZK-NBT · Mon May 22, 2017 2:04 am

AKL only gets a summer seasonal KE 748I, that's the only PAX 747 regularly now.

N62NA · Mon May 22, 2017 2:07 am

I'm pretty sure we are down to just the BA 747 out of MIA these days.

KTPAFlyer · Mon May 22, 2017 2:28 am

TWA772LR wrote:
If you discount "scheduled charters" IAH only has a daily 74M from KLM.

I think BA still flies a 744 because I saw one recently in March, although I'm not sure if that's changed between now and then.

airtrantpa · Mon May 22, 2017 2:29 am

Is VX the only operator at MCO? I hardly ever make it out there I prefer TPA since I work there obviously. I don't really remember seeing any 747's there except for virgins. Lady Penelope and I have a love hate relationship.

TWA772LR · Mon May 22, 2017 3:00 am

KTPAFlyer wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
If you discount "scheduled charters" IAH only has a daily 74M from KLM.

I think BA still flies a 744 because I saw one recently in March, although I'm not sure if that's changed between now and then.

D'oh! How could I forget BA!?

I've been going to school full time in Huntsville so it's been a while since I've been able to cruise past IAH. I was thinking of the recent thread outlining KLs 744 drawdown. BA alternates between 777s and 747s depending on the season.

aerorobnz · Mon May 22, 2017 3:18 am

If you mean just passenger services, we have just the KE 748 service seasonally. AKL has the freighters SQ and 5Y, but they don't really count because you can't fly them for your logbook unless you're a pilot or horse groom.

KTPAFlyer · Mon May 22, 2017 3:39 am

airtrantpa wrote:
Is VX the only operator at MCO? I hardly ever make it out there I prefer TPA since I work there obviously. I don't really remember seeing any 747's there except for virgins. Lady Penelope and I have a love hate relationship.

Lufthansa still flies a 744 unless anything has changed, which is unlikely.

SeaDoo · Mon May 22, 2017 3:46 am

Are we talking scheduled passenger service only? If so, I think for part of the year SEA counts. BA does schedule 747-400's, but not all the time. I think LH is the only 747-400 year round.

910A · Mon May 22, 2017 4:01 am

KTPAFlyer wrote:
airtrantpa wrote:
Is VX the only operator at MCO? I hardly ever make it out there I prefer TPA since I work there obviously. I don't really remember seeing any 747's there except for virgins. Lady Penelope and I have a love hate relationship.

Lufthansa still flies a 744 unless anything has changed, which is unlikely.

Someone got VX confused with VS? At MIA LH is currently operating the 388 to FRA.

UAEflyer · Mon May 22, 2017 4:25 am

DXB
BA

michman · Mon May 22, 2017 4:52 am

KTPAFlyer wrote:
Armodeen wrote:
MAN only has VS these days, although they do fly multiple destinations with it.

Just realized that by that metric, DTW has only DL, but they fly it to multiple destinations as well.

That will change in about a month as LH will have a seasonal (July - September) 747 on FRA-DTW.

Apiculteur · Mon May 22, 2017 5:03 am

MUC maybe? TG 744 to / from BKK?

blueflyer · Mon May 22, 2017 5:07 am

LAS with BA

LHLX · Mon May 22, 2017 5:33 am

TLV - only has LY. Used to have LH and DL, but DL now comes with 777 (soon 333) and LH now comes with 321. TLV has some cargo operators coming with 747s but LY is the only airline that has scheduled 747 flights (to JFK, EWR, BKK, LHR, CDG BCN and sometimes DME, FCO and OTP and charter destinations like SEZ and GVA (winter charter)

Northwest1988 · Mon May 22, 2017 5:53 am

GSP.
Air Atlanta Icelandic 747-400F
Twice a week to Munich.

MalevTU134 · Mon May 22, 2017 5:59 am

ARN - albeit the PAX service consists of the 747 converted into a hostel on the outskirts of the airport...

mtnwest1979 · Mon May 22, 2017 6:00 am

blueflyer wrote:
LAS with BA

Twice in last month I have been at LAS and both times VS had 2 744s come in.

mtnwest1979 · Mon May 22, 2017 6:00 am

Northwest1988 wrote:
GSP.
Air Atlanta Icelandic 747-400F
Twice a week to Munich.

Thread title, pax.....

hansieAMS · Mon May 22, 2017 6:41 am

CUR with KL

Kickert · Mon May 22, 2017 7:49 am

I was going to say JNB with the 748 from LH, but I am thinking BA has a less than weekly 747 in addition to the daily A380 they send.

Aviaphile · Mon May 22, 2017 8:00 am

Kickert wrote:
I was going to say JNB with the 748 from LH, but I am thinking BA has a less than weekly 747 in addition to the daily A380 they send.

Also daily QF into JNB

RyanairGuru · Mon May 22, 2017 8:02 am

MEL - QF29/QF30 MEL-HKG-MEL

codc10 · Mon May 22, 2017 8:25 am

EWR also gets 1x weekly 747 from LY in addition to the daily 748 on LH (which I just rode this morning).

Dutchy · Mon May 22, 2017 9:02 am

PBM Suriname KL

An older KL list, so I don't know if it still is current:
Nairobi
Mexico City?
CUR
SXM? Still or did it end?

Luxair747SP · Mon May 22, 2017 9:21 am

AER and SIP, both on FV from VKO

Arion640 · Mon May 22, 2017 9:37 am

Virgin Atlantic from Belfast to Orlando. (Unless this is now flown by A330.)

flyingfool · Mon May 22, 2017 10:30 am

Dutchy wrote:

Mexico City?

Also BA to LHR and LH to FRA

gunnerman · Mon May 22, 2017 10:35 am

KTPAFlyer wrote:
LGW

BA used to operate a range of wide bodies from LGW, including 747s, 767s and DC-10s. However, CEO Rod Eddington lead a rationalisation programme which resulted in only GE90-powered 777-200ERs being based at LGW, which happened several years ago. All the other wide body jets were moved to LHR.

gunnerman · Mon May 22, 2017 10:40 am

Arion640 wrote:
Virgin Atlantic from Belfast to Orlando. (Unless this is now flown by A330.)

VS flies to MCO from LGW and MAN, all flights operated by 747-400s.

gunnerman · Mon May 22, 2017 10:48 am

Dutchy wrote:
PBM Suriname KL

An older KL list, so I don't know if it still is current:
Nairobi
Mexico City?
CUR
SXM? Still or did it end?

NBO - 747-400
MEX - 747-400
CUR - 747-400
SXM - A330-200

AF086 · Mon May 22, 2017 11:01 am

GRU - 74H (LH)
GIG - 74H (LH) - soon to change to 744

makozi · Mon May 22, 2017 11:04 am

that will make me sad when 747s, or 4-engine jets in general, aren't around any more.

twin-jets seem a little dull by comparison

oly720man · Mon May 22, 2017 11:05 am

Royal Air Maroc has a single B744 CN-RGA that flies variously from Casablanca, Rabat, Fes and Marrakesh, apparently.

https://www.flightradar24.com/reg/cn-rga

Ignore Fes, they get ones from Saudia, occasionally. But Saudia's destinations include Lahore, Cairo, Surabaya and Makassar which I expect will be the only B744s they get.

https://www.flightradar24.com/reg/tfaak

vv701 · Mon May 22, 2017 11:53 am

The BA Source is reporting that BA has flown a 744 between LHR and the following 20 destinations in the 30 days up to 22 May 2017:

ACC
BOS
CPT
DFW
DEN
DXB
IAD
JFK
JNB
KWI
LAS
MEX
MIA
NBO
ORD
PHL
PHX
RUH
SFO
YYZ

Destinations like JFK obviously see both more than one BA 747 passenger service and passenger 747s from other airlines. Many in the list, perhaps including ACC, CPT, DEN and MEX usually do not. Here others with better local flight knowledge will be able to reduce the list size. However this is quite tricky particularly with seasonal services. For example BA operates two 747 flights every day to CPT in the high season of early January, one for the rest of the year.

Note that the list from The BA Source could include destinations of any ad-hoc flights including non-scheduled passenger and positioning flights

gunnerman · Mon May 22, 2017 12:06 pm

makozi wrote:
that will make me sad when 747s, or 4-engine jets in general, aren't around any more.

twin-jets seem a little dull by comparison

It doesn't seem that long ago when JAL and Singapore were the biggest 747 operators, but most airlines have either got rid or are getting rid of their 747s. It's all about economics, of course, as a 777-300ER does almost everything a 747 does but much cheaper.

Iemand91 · Mon May 22, 2017 12:21 pm

Armodeen wrote:
MAN only has VS these days, although they do fly multiple destinations with it.

KTPAFlyer wrote:
Just realized that by that metric, DTW has only DL, but they fly it to multiple destinations as well.

Same goes for AMS. As of today exactly, KL has only 14 747-400 left (of the original 22) and it the only airline that operates the 747 to AMS. (apart from the occasional charter)

Ziyulu · Mon May 22, 2017 12:43 pm

CKG - Chongqing. One CA 748 from SFO to PEK to CKG.

fry530 · Mon May 22, 2017 1:04 pm

vv701 wrote:
The BA Source is reporting that BA has flown a 744 between LHR and the following 20 destinations in the 30 days up to 22 May 2017:

ACC
BOS
CPT
DFW
DEN
DXB
IAD
JFK
JNB
KWI
LAS
MEX
MIA
NBO
ORD
PHL
PHX
RUH
SFO
YYZ

Destinations like JFK obviously see both more than one BA 747 passenger service and passenger 747s from other airlines. Many in the list, perhaps including ACC, CPT, DEN and MEX usually do not. Here others with better local flight knowledge will be able to reduce the list size. However this is quite tricky particularly with seasonal services. For example BA operates two 747 flights every day to CPT in the high season of early January, one for the rest of the year.

Note that the list from The BA Source could include destinations of any ad-hoc flights including non-scheduled passenger and positioning flights

While we only see one daily BA flight in DEN, we do get two daily 747s. One from BA, and one from LH. You may be correct about CPT though.

Iemand91 · Mon May 22, 2017 1:13 pm

Iemand91 wrote:
Armodeen wrote:
MAN only has VS these days, although they do fly multiple destinations with it.

KTPAFlyer wrote:
Just realized that by that metric, DTW has only DL, but they fly it to multiple destinations as well.

Same goes for AMS. As of today exactly, KL has only 14 747-400 left (of the original 22) and it the only airline that operates the 747 to AMS. (apart from the occasional charter)

Sorry, should be 15 left.

(I hate the extremely short time period in which you can edit your posts on Airliners)

vv701 · Mon May 22, 2017 1:19 pm

gunnerman wrote:
It doesn't seem that long ago when JAL and Singapore were the biggest 747 operators, but most airlines have either got rid or are getting rid of their 747s. It's all about economics, of course, as a 777-300ER does almost everything a 747 does but much cheaper.

Do not forget BA. Over the years they have operated more than 100 744s comprising 19 741s, 25 742s and 57 744s.

BA started to retire some of their 744 fleet as long ago as October 2008. Yet today they still operate 36 of the type. Compared to their 77Ws these 744s are certainly expensive to fuel and to maintain. However they are very low cost in terms of capital charges as most of the fleet is fully written down to a residual value.

BA's policy appears to be not to retire a 744 until it is due a costly C Check and even then to sometimes put the aircraft through a costly maintenance procedure This helps to explain why half of their current fleet went through a cabin refurbishment programme that was completed just nine months ago. This programme included reconfiguration of the J and Y Class cabins, the fitting of a new Panasonic eX3 IFE system throughout as well as many other changes.

vv701 · Mon May 22, 2017 1:20 pm

gunnerman wrote:
It doesn't seem that long ago when JAL and Singapore were the biggest 747 operators, but most airlines have either got rid or are getting rid of their 747s. It's all about economics, of course, as a 777-300ER does almost everything a 747 does but much cheaper.

Do not forget BA. Over the years they have operated more than 100 747s comprising 19 741s, 25 742s and 57 744s.

BA started to retire some of their 744 fleet as long ago as October 2008. Yet today they still operate 36 of the type. Compared to their 77Ws these 744s are certainly expensive to fuel and to maintain. However they are very low cost in terms of capital charges as most of the fleet is fully written down to a residual value.

BA's policy appears to be not to retire a 744 until it is due a costly C Check and even then to sometimes put the aircraft through a costly maintenance procedure This helps to explain why half of their current fleet went through a cabin refurbishment programme that was completed just nine months ago. This programme included reconfiguration of the J and Y Class cabins, the fitting of a new Panasonic eX3 IFE system throughout as well as many other changes.

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