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Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 11:25 am

Hello all,

When we think big cities, we think big airports and also big hubs. Examples are Atlanta, New York, Miami and etc... What are some small or smaller cities that have a significantly sized airport or hub operation? Also, what big cities are out there that have a smaller airport than what you might expect?
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 11:29 am

I'd say Frankfurt FRA.
Less than a million inhabitants, still one of the worlds largest airports.
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 12:25 pm

DXB is an obvious candidate that comes to mind (a population of about 2.5m and about 80m pax - over a 30x multiplier).

FRA is probably the highest scoring hub on this specific metric - about 800K people and 60m pax - a multipler of 75x! And MUC has a population of about 1.5m and serves 42m pax - a multiplier of almost 30x.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 12:44 pm

What about STL? St. Louis city is about 300,000. Was a thriving hub before TWA ceased to exist. Now a huge terminal almost totally Southwest.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 12:46 pm

If you google the Frankfurt metropolitan population the response is 5.8 million when you view the metro area as Frankfurt-Rhine-Main. In the US, CLT & to a lesser degree SLC come to mind. CLT has a metro pop of 2.4MM, smaller than 3-4 other US cities without a hub (STL, TPA, SAN & BOS...although B6 could be considered to have a hub there). SLC has only 1.1MM making it the 48th largest metropolitan area in the US with many larger non-hub cities ahead of it. It will be interesting to see as 50 seaters come to the end of their life what these hubs look like since they still have a sizable presence at least in CLT and SLC to my knowledge. CLT is growing which helps but needs more corporate presence to continue to out-punch their weight class in my opinion. I'm thinking 3MM residents is what they need to continue to drive as large of a hub as they have especially if fuel rises. The airport is cheap to operate in which helps.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 12:46 pm

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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 12:48 pm

MainelyRick wrote:
What about STL? St. Louis city is about 300,000. Was a thriving hub before TWA ceased to exist. Now a huge terminal almost totally Southwest.


St Louis Metro is ~2.8MM. City boundry populations are irrelevant when looking at airport traffic. Heck, the airport alone is bordered by something like 10+ municipalities. And like ORD is only a part of the city land due to a sliver of city land covering the highway that extends to the airport.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 12:50 pm

ACman wrote:
DXB is an obvious candidate that comes to mind (a population of about 2.5m and about 80m pax - over a 30x multiplier).

FRA is probably the highest scoring hub on this specific metric - about 800K people and 60m pax - a multipler of 75x! And MUC has a population of about 1.5m and serves 42m pax - a multiplier of almost 30x.


KEF has a multiplier of around 55x
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 12:50 pm

trijetsonly wrote:
I'd say Frankfurt FRA.
Less than a million inhabitants, still one of the worlds largest airports.


I'd look at the metro population of a city... Which would better represent the catchment area. Frankfurt has over 5 million people in the metro area. A 12x multiplier

Anyway KEF comes to mind. 6+ million passesngers for 330k people on the whole island. DEN has 58 million passesngers for 3 million people in the metro. Both ~20x
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 12:51 pm

Basically every midwest city
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 12:57 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Basically every midwest city
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 12:57 pm

Ibiza has 40,000 people (the town) or 155,000 (the islands of Ibiza + Formentera or "catchment area") and this year will go well beyond 8 million PAX (7.4 million in 2016 but for this April IBZ grew by +35%). A peak summer day can see +50,000 people, so that is more than the whole population of the capital in 24 hours.

So that is a multiplier of x50 based completely on O&D traffic.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 12:58 pm

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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 1:00 pm

tjwgrr wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Basically every midwest city
DAY USair


US Air???? Blasphemy!... DAY was PIEDMONT..... the great airline US Air destroyed.


Haha you are right, but USair continued its hub in DAY for two years after the merger so technically I am right as well.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 1:03 pm

Wasn't CVG Delta's second largerst hub before the NW merger? Also Salt Lake City has a large Delta hub.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 1:04 pm

If you are including freight than MEM, SDF, IND, CVG, and ANC have to be on the list
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 1:07 pm

ZRH is another example. Zürich has not even 400000 people in the city but the airport hast around 28mio pax a year. If you count the metropolitan area of Zürich there are still less than 2 million people. ATL is actually a big airport with a small city, too, as Atlanta has only about 400000 people within the city borders. The metropolitan area though has more than 5 million.

On the other hand: DAC has not even 5mio pax a year, but the city of Dhaka has 9mio people inside and another 6mio people around.
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 1:10 pm

How about Amsterdam? The city is comparatively small even by European standards. AMS moves almost 64 million people. The whole Country of the Netherlands has less than 17 million people. I think that is a good example of a successfull hub system.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 1:14 pm

Reykjavík.
130,000 inhabitants, KEF had over 7 million pax last year, unless I'm mistaken
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 1:17 pm

MalevTU134 wrote:
Reykjavík.
130,000 inhabitants, KEF had over 7 million pax last year, unless I'm mistaken

Actually Reykjavik 130.000 inhabitants, metro Reykjavik 220.000 inhabitants, KEF 6.8 million pax 2016
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 1:21 pm

On the low end of the scale, the Indian city of Surat, with over 5 million inhabitants in the city itself, just recently got a decent airport. No international flights, 1 daily flight to BOM and DEL each. That's it, unless there are recent changes...
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 1:30 pm

Yes, TWGuy. I didn't look at STL that way. The airport just looks so forlorn and over-sized considering the TWA hub that it was.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 1:39 pm

ACE on Lanzarote has 5.9 million passengers on an island with a population of around 140k. Even more incredible when you realize that connecting traffic is negligible.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 1:41 pm

NAN is definitely a hub serving a very small city/metro region. It's FJ's hub, but the cities of Nadi and Lautoka (25km from NAN, so definitely in the catchment area) and surrounding region are at most 125k people combined for an airport handling 2 million pax a year or about a 16x multiplier.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 1:49 pm

crazytoaster wrote:
trijetsonly wrote:
I'd say Frankfurt FRA.
Less than a million inhabitants, still one of the worlds largest airports.


I'd look at the metro population of a city... Which would better represent the catchment area. Frankfurt has over 5 million people in the metro area. A 12x multiplier

Anyway KEF comes to mind. 6+ million passesngers for 330k people on the whole island. DEN has 58 million passesngers for 3 million people in the metro. Both ~20x


Yeah, metro population is definitely a better way to look at this.

Otherwise, EWR would be rather high up. Newark has a population of ~300k, and 40MM passengers, a nice little 133x multiplier!
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 1:51 pm

Las Vegas' metro population is just over 2 million, and LAS handled 47M passengers last year.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 2:17 pm

If we're looking at old hubs, GSO & RDU come to mind as well. Of course the days of $18 a barrel oil helped as well.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 2:21 pm

CLT and SLC are the best modern examples of small metro areas with major hubs.
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 2:24 pm

YVR
Similar size metro as PDX but has 10 times as many international nonstops.
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 2:25 pm

(STL, TPA, SAN & BOS...although B6 could be considered to have a hub there)

I would argue that STL, SAN, and BOS all have hub operations. STL is huge for Southwest (though they don't really have a defined hub system), JetBlue calls BOS a hub, and SAN has a huge Alaska operation (nonstop flights to over 30 destinations), bigger than the pre-merger Los Angeles operation.
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 2:29 pm

alexrg wrote:
(STL, TPA, SAN & BOS...although B6 could be considered to have a hub there)

I would argue that STL, SAN, and BOS all have hub operations. STL is huge for Southwest (though they don't really have a defined hub system), JetBlue calls BOS a hub, and SAN has a huge Alaska operation (nonstop flights to over 30 destinations), bigger than the pre-merger Los Angeles operation.


I would argue that SAN and TPA are in their own categories. They are both "hubs" by FAA standards, have similar demographics, and draw "focus city"-scale operations in their own right, but are too geographically isolated AND proximate to other regional hubs/larger metros to really be anything more than major O&D centers.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 3:14 pm

I believe resort destinations will have the highest metrics :

Jeju Island (South Korea) has a population of 583,284. CJU handled 26,237,562 passengers in 2015. Multiplier of x45.

The other extreme will undoubtedly be large sub-saharan african cities...
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 3:22 pm

steman wrote:
How about Amsterdam? The city is comparatively small even by European standards. AMS moves almost 64 million people. The whole Country of the Netherlands has less than 17 million people. I think that is a good example of a successfull hub system.

Actually Amsterdam inhabitants 838.338, pax AMS 63,5 million
 
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Wed May 17, 2017 3:35 pm

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Wasn't CVG Delta's second largerst hub before the NW merger? Also Salt Lake City has a large Delta hub.


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Wed May 17, 2017 4:09 pm

AMS: the county of Amsterdam had 838.338 inhabitants on 1/4/2016; AMS had 63,6 million passengers in 2016; a multiplier of approximately 75,8
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 4:12 pm

Grand Cayman has a population of 60,000 and is the hub/home base for Cayman Airways.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 4:17 pm

kelvin933 wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
Reykjavík.
130,000 inhabitants, KEF had over 7 million pax last year, unless I'm mistaken

Actually Reykjavik 130.000 inhabitants, metro Reykjavik 220.000 inhabitants, KEF 6.8 million pax 2016

Which is even more impressive when you realize the entire country of Iceland has only a little over 330,000 people.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 4:50 pm

Depending on whether you're taking into account MSA population or city population, MCO has to be up there. 40M passengers on 270k inhabitants.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 5:40 pm

777PHX wrote:
Depending on whether you're taking into account MSA population or city population, MCO has to be up there. 40M passengers on 270k inhabitants.


Actually, Orlando metro is right behind Charlotte at 2.44MM so a decent size city with a set of mega attractions, similar to Las Vegas. They both operate opposite of how hubs are generally looked at in that they have small originating traffic but are huge destinations. Unfortunately, in both cases, the flights is simply a means of getting to the attraction people want to spend their money at thus making the flights lower yielding.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 6:59 pm

Don't know if DEN has been mentioned, but 660k people would have to rank up there some.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 7:54 pm

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Northwest1988 wrote:
Hello all,

When we think big cities, we think big airports and also big hubs. Examples are Atlanta, New York, Miami and etc... What are some small or smaller cities that have a significantly sized airport or hub operation? Also, what big cities are out there that have a smaller airport than what you might expect?


Pfft Atlanta? They are the 46th largest if I recall in the USA. Long Beach is a larger city by 2 more, and it is just a JetBlue Focus City.
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Wed May 17, 2017 7:57 pm

To answer the second question in the OP, it would be nice if Sheffield (city 550,000; metro 1,000,000) even had an airport.

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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Fri May 19, 2017 1:27 pm

How about DOH and AUH? They're really small cities and millions of passengers.
 
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Fri May 19, 2017 2:20 pm

Also MRU is the hub for air Mauritius which has a pretty decent network for such a small city.
 
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Fri May 19, 2017 4:14 pm

What about SFJ, the hub of Air Greenland, with 130000 annual pax in the village of Kangerlussuaq with 513 inhabitants? That is a ratio >250.


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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:37 pm

LupineChemist wrote:
ACE on Lanzarote has 5.9 million passengers on an island with a population of around 140k. Even more incredible when you realize that connecting traffic is negligible.


No surprise, Lanzarote is a sun holiday destination. More or less all holiday destinations got large airports, but very little of these holiday destination airports are also hubs. You said it yourself, connecting traffic is negligible. Hubs are airports with a lot of connecting traffic.
 
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Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:18 am

Not as small as others but Oslo with a metro population of 1.7M is a big base for both SK and DY
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Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:08 pm

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Northwest1988 wrote:
Hello all,

When we think big cities, we think big airports and also big hubs. Examples are Atlanta, New York, Miami and etc... What are some small or smaller cities that have a significantly sized airport or hub operation? Also, what big cities are out there that have a smaller airport than what you might expect?


Pfft Atlanta? They are the 46th largest if I recall in the USA. Long Beach is a larger city by 2 more, and it is just a JetBlue Focus City.

City population means nothing. The Atlanta metro is the 9th largest Metropolitan Statistical Area in the U.S.

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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:51 am

City population is meaningless. The population of City of London is about 8,000 people, yet almost 9 million people live in "London". That their garbage is collected by a different municipality is irrelevant.
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Re: Smallest cities with large airports/ hubs

Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:21 pm

MCO and EWR are close to top for USA. Orlando has 270K population, 2.3M metro. Newark city has 280K population, "Metro" i.e. NE Nj is 2-3M, depending on definition. I would not be surprised if EWR has highest international traffic to city/metro size ratio anywhere in USA.

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