Coal wrote:Consultants. We're typically on airplanes every Monday morning and Thursday or Friday evening.
But, keep in mind this means being away from home the majority of the week. Also, typically rushing to the airport to be there just on time before the plane door closes, so usually no time for lounge access, spotting, etc.
glbltrvlr wrote:But I have to say, if you are basing your career choices on the amount of international travel, I fear you are going to be severely unhappy..
Airbus747 wrote:Which implies:
- London-Hong Kong on Cathay has 318 Business and 36 First.
If most employers want to save costs, whom are these airlines going to sell all those seats?
Are there really that many CEOs and super-senior consultants?
Again, just wondering...
SCQ83 wrote:For me even if I love flying, it would become boring to do always the same trip for work.
Airbus747 wrote:Thanks for the great answers - but then who flies First and Business all the time?
26point2 wrote:I often wonder if the rewards of the road warrior: frequent flier miles, go unused. It seems like a lot of effort to do what...get back onto another plane? I am a corporate pilot and spend vast amounts of time either flying, at an airport or at hotels. The last thing I want to do during my vacation is go to another airport. Trains are much more fun for me.
spacecadet wrote:Most people flying in business and first didn't pay for their tickets. They either got upgraded or they're flying on credit card points. My wife and I usually take an international trip or two each per year in business class on credit card points. A couple times we've done it in first. It's not that hard to build up enough points if you get the right bonuses and choose the right airlines.
That said, a lot of airlines have made this harder to do now by only releasing a few seats per flight for award tickets. But that's why those airlines are flying half empty business class cabins. (I've seen it; impossible to get two award seats on a flight, yet half the seats go empty.) If you're looking at a half-empty cabin, figure that about half of the people you *do* see were upgrades for one reason or another. The rest might have paid for their tickets. Which means about a quarter of the cabin.
Those who do pay are upper-echelon executives who need to be fully rested as soon as they arrive for an important business trip, or just plain old rich people. They do exist. And a lot of them fly business class because there are different levels of "rich". That's why first class cabins usually only have literally a few seats even on big planes - they cater to the super-rich, not just the rich. But again, I've flown international first class on points, so even up there it's probably not mostly people buying seats. I'll bet it's 2-3 people per flight, on average, who actually pay for an international first class seat.
fbgdavidson wrote:Why would some airlines increase the size of their business class cabins (some BA 747s now have 86 business class seats) if only 25% of passengers are paying for it?
spacecadet wrote:fbgdavidson wrote:Why would some airlines increase the size of their business class cabins (some BA 747s now have 86 business class seats) if only 25% of passengers are paying for it?
Because 25% of 86 is more than 25% of 20 and international business class tickets often cost 4 or 5 times that of discounted economy. And again, a lot of these big business class cabins are half empty almost all the time. ANA, for example, has actually cut back on their business class cabins on international flights - they've gone from 77 business class seats in V3 of their 777-300ER config to 52 in V4. So airlines adjust both ways depending on how things are going - the higher class cabins aren't just getting bigger all the time.
Also, you seem to be making the incorrect assumption that the airlines make no revenue from upgrades or award flights. Of course they do. On upgrades, they get the revenue that keeping a frequent flier around makes them, which is continuous revenue as long as you keep that passenger happy. That's why FF programs exist in the first place. It's not a charity; these are net profitable programs or they wouldn't have existed for the last 40+ years. You give the people that spend tens of thousands of dollars per year the better seats in the hopes that they will continue to spend tens of thousands of dollars per year.
On award flights, they just get paid by the credit card company rather than the passengers. I don't know how the contracts are actually structured, whether it's a lump sum payment for an airline to be part of the program or it's some dollar amount per point converted to miles (probably the latter), but it's not "free". The airline makes money on those tickets or they wouldn't be part of those programs either.
So it should be pretty easy to understand how having a larger business class cabin can benefit an airline even if most of the passengers in those cabins haven't specifically paid to fly there. The airline is making money off those passengers in other ways, and almost certainly more than they'd make from 2 or 3 non-loyalty economy class passengers buying the cheapest possible discount tickets.
Because 25% of 86 is more than 25% of 20 and international business class tickets often cost 4 or 5 times that of discounted economy. And again, a lot of these big business class cabins are half empty almost all the time.
theobcman wrote:Something that I am involved with is working as an 'On Board Courier' hence my user name. The work is unpredictable/infrequent and random but we do get to fly a lot ! Based at LHR anything from Paris to Sydney could come up at any time. Flights are normally in Y but the points I build up allow for some nice journeys later on !
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