ILNFlyer
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Is 3-2-3 seating possible on 767?

Thu May 11, 2017 5:45 pm

In this day of adding seats, idle curiosity has me asking if it is possible or ever been tried by any high density operators?
 
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Re: Is 3-2-3 seating possible on 767?

Thu May 11, 2017 5:47 pm

I don't know about any 3-2-3 767s but there have been plenty of 2-4-2 767s.
 
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Re: Is 3-2-3 seating possible on 767?

Thu May 11, 2017 5:49 pm

Polot wrote:
I don't know about any 3-2-3 767s but there have been plenty of 2-4-2 767s.


Can you tell me who some of the operators were/are?
 
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Re: Is 3-2-3 seating possible on 767?

Thu May 11, 2017 5:50 pm

3-2-3 makes no sense.

A number of charter operators have operated the 767 in a 2x4x2 layout to increase capacity. The idea behind 2x4x2 is that you're only one seat away from the aisle whereas 3-2-3 would put passengers farther from the aisle, causing more movement of passengers between window and aisle.
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Re: Is 3-2-3 seating possible on 767?

Thu May 11, 2017 5:54 pm

ILNFlyer wrote:
Polot wrote:
I don't know about any 3-2-3 767s but there have been plenty of 2-4-2 767s.


Can you tell me who some of the operators were/are?

Mostly your standard European charter carriers. Britannia/Thomson, MyTravel/Thomas Cook (but not Condor), etc.
 
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Re: Is 3-2-3 seating possible on 767?

Thu May 11, 2017 6:03 pm

I think that Ukraine International is currently operating 2-4-2 on the 767.
http://www.flyuia.com/eng/company/ukrai ... fleet.html
 
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Re: Is 3-2-3 seating possible on 767?

Thu May 11, 2017 7:02 pm

I believe ANA or Japan Airlines did or still does uses 2-4-2 767 on domestic high density routes.
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Re: Is 3-2-3 seating possible on 767?

Fri May 12, 2017 3:01 pm

My thanks to all of you for your responses!
 
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Re: Is 3-2-3 seating possible on 767?

Fri May 12, 2017 4:16 pm

bluefltspecial wrote:
3-2-3 makes no sense.

A number of charter operators have operated the 767 in a 2x4x2 layout to increase capacity. The idea behind 2x4x2 is that you're only one seat away from the aisle whereas 3-2-3 would put passengers farther from the aisle, causing more movement of passengers between window and aisle.


3-2-3 is actually pretty clever. It should give more passenger space for the same load factor.

With 3-2-3, the cabin can be 63% full (5/8 seats occupied) before any two people must sit next to each other. With 2-4-2, you'll have a neighbor once the airplane is 50% full (4/8 seats occupied). So what if you have to skip over an empty seat to get from the window seat to the aisle.
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Re: Is 3-2-3 seating possible on 767?

Fri May 12, 2017 5:36 pm

DfwRevolution wrote:
bluefltspecial wrote:
3-2-3 makes no sense.

A number of charter operators have operated the 767 in a 2x4x2 layout to increase capacity. The idea behind 2x4x2 is that you're only one seat away from the aisle whereas 3-2-3 would put passengers farther from the aisle, causing more movement of passengers between window and aisle.


3-2-3 is actually pretty clever. It should give more passenger space for the same load factor.

With 3-2-3, the cabin can be 63% full (5/8 seats occupied) before any two people must sit next to each other. With 2-4-2, you'll have a neighbor once the airplane is 50% full (4/8 seats occupied). So what if you have to skip over an empty seat to get from the window seat to the aisle.

I actually like the idea, because it would mean more of a family would be able to sit in one aisle, so maybe if it was a 4 person family only one say an adult if they were lucky and checked in online could just sit across from the others. While a family of 3 could slide on in with comfort with the 3-2-3 seating.
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Re: Is 3-2-3 seating possible on 767?

Sat May 13, 2017 7:39 am

Hmmm - two passengers now in the dreaded middle seat vs just one passenger. No thanks.
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Re: Is 3-2-3 seating possible on 767?

Sat May 13, 2017 4:08 pm

PanzerPowner wrote:
DfwRevolution wrote:
bluefltspecial wrote:
3-2-3 makes no sense.

A number of charter operators have operated the 767 in a 2x4x2 layout to increase capacity. The idea behind 2x4x2 is that you're only one seat away from the aisle whereas 3-2-3 would put passengers farther from the aisle, causing more movement of passengers between window and aisle.


3-2-3 is actually pretty clever. It should give more passenger space for the same load factor.

With 3-2-3, the cabin can be 63% full (5/8 seats occupied) before any two people must sit next to each other. With 2-4-2, you'll have a neighbor once the airplane is 50% full (4/8 seats occupied). So what if you have to skip over an empty seat to get from the window seat to the aisle.

I actually like the idea, because it would mean more of a family would be able to sit in one aisle, so maybe if it was a 4 person family only one say an adult if they were lucky and checked in online could just sit across from the others. While a family of 3 could slide on in with comfort with the 3-2-3 seating.


Alright, let's look at this from an airline operation perspective.

How often does an airline want to have "open" seats? Answer, as little as possible. Most airlines in this day and age are looking at having as many seats filled as possible, not "lets give people an open seat next to them, so they can stretch out" - In the past 5 or so years of air travel on say 15-20 airlines, I rarely have had an empty seat next to me, I probably can count the times on two hands. It's just not what airlines are going for.

As for families, they mainly travel during holiday and summer season. The main revenue generator for airlines is business traffic.

While getting a family seats together is always a bonus, families on average consist usually of two children, sometimes 3 sometimes one. In said case, usually we see families prefer the 2 seat side as it allows one parent to sit with the child and the other take a break, but both on the aisle, with easy access. Same with families of 4. In either case a family of 3 could sit in the center of a 3 seat section allowing for two aisles and the child in the middle. The same with a section of 4.

Perhaps I am not seeing some logic here, but I have to think there is a reason that Boeing went with the 2x3x2 configuration for a reason.

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Re: Is 3-2-3 seating possible on 767?

Wed May 17, 2017 4:24 am

bluefltspecial wrote:
PanzerPowner wrote:
DfwRevolution wrote:

Perhaps I am not seeing some logic here, but I have to think there is a reason that Boeing went with the 2x3x2 configuration for a reason.

-Blue


I never gave it much thought why Boeing went with the narrower wide-body fuselage when designing the 767. I'm glad they did as I like flying in them when I have the chance. Despite witnessing the arrival of UA inaugural service #1767 ORD-DEN in Sep 1982, I only ever flew in one -200: Piedmont CLT-LGW soon after service inauguration in 1987. I've flown in a few -300s over the years and one -400 this year. Still a great airplane.

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