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Iluvtofly wrote:St. Louis comes to mind. Huge TWA hub that basically fell apart. Another one being Pittsburgh ..... huge in the days of US Air and now tiny in comparison.
strfyr51 wrote:Iluvtofly wrote:St. Louis comes to mind. Huge TWA hub that basically fell apart. Another one being Pittsburgh ..... huge in the days of US Air and now tiny in comparison.
Neither STL nor PIT failed because of the city, The Hubs failed because the incumbent airlines failed or were absorbed, and no other airline had the wherewithal to establish another hub in those cities.
Iluvtofly wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Lambert_International_Airport
Read through this post, St Louis peaked at almost 31 million pax and is now down to about 12 million.
strfyr51 wrote:The Hubs failed because the incumbent airlines failed or were absorbed, and no other airline had thewherewithaldesire to lose money, either via direct loss or opportunity cost, by establishing another hub in those cities.
Dahlgardo wrote:Cincinnatti CVG peaked in 2005 with over 22mill pax.
It's now down to around 6mill.
That place used to be a CRJ heaven.
Jerry123 wrote:I'd say DUB. It might not be failing but Aer Lingus regional have definitely retrenched a bit by dropping LPL, CWL and DSA.
jamesontheroad wrote:Montreal Mirabel (YMX) was the airline hub designed and built for the supersonic future that never came...
SRQKEF wrote:Jerry123 wrote:I'd say DUB. It might not be failing but Aer Lingus regional have definitely retrenched a bit by dropping LPL, CWL and DSA.
Are you joking? EI has around 80 destinations from DUB including intercontinental ones, and the Regional arm alone flies to 14, but the hub is failing because they drop ATRs to Liverpool, Cardiff and Doncaster?? Give me a break.
Noise wrote:Is RDU the only airport that is busier/bigger now than during it's hub years? Or does BNA and SJC also fall into that category?
jamesontheroad wrote:Montreal Mirabel (YMX) was the airline hub designed and built for the supersonic future that never came...
cvgComair wrote:What is crazy is that all the CRJ-200's are expected to be removed from CVG by the end of 2017...
strfyr51 wrote:The Hubs failed because the incumbent airlines failed or were absorbed, and no other airline had the wherewithal to establish another hub in those cities.
michman wrote:cvgComair wrote:What is crazy is that all the CRJ-200's are expected to be removed from CVG by the end of 2017...
Expected by who? Lots of 50 seat CRJ flying still showing in the schedule out of CVG in 2018. I seriously doubt these are all going to be replaced.
Jerry123 wrote:Are you joking? EI has around 80 destinations from DUB including intercontinental ones, and the Regional arm alone flies to 14, but the hub is failing because they drop ATRs to Liverpool, Cardiff and Doncaster?? Give me a break.
Jshank83 wrote:strfyr51 wrote:The Hubs failed because the incumbent airlines failed or were absorbed, and no other airline had the wherewithal to establish another hub in those cities.
I think this, at least in the US, is why hubs went away. I am sure some cities that lost their Hub Status would still have it if all the airlines didn't merge, although some of those airlines might not be here today if they didn't merge. It doesn't make much sense for AA/UA to keep STL/CLE with ORD so close or DL and MEM with ATL. Luckily for STL/BNA and some others WN came to town and filled in the hole. STL is back to half of what it was during its TWA/AA days and you can once again fly nonstop to about every major domestic market year round, which I think is a pretty good level of service for them.
With CVG, I sometimes wonder if it would have been better if the were fully dehubbed and WN or others would have moved in earlier. That might have them at higher passenger counts. Someone in the CVG area would probably know that answer better than me though.
Noise wrote:Is RDU the only airport that is busier/bigger now than during it's hub years? Or does BNA and SJC also fall into that category?
BasilFawlty wrote:9W at BRU comes to mind.
jb1087xna wrote:michman wrote:cvgComair wrote:What is crazy is that all the CRJ-200's are expected to be removed from CVG by the end of 2017...
Expected by who? Lots of 50 seat CRJ flying still showing in the schedule out of CVG in 2018. I seriously doubt these are all going to be replaced.
I have no information at all about CRJs in CVG, but DL's schedules in 2018 shouldn't be trusted at all for firm times or equipment at this point.
CIDFlyer wrote:Noise wrote:Is RDU the only airport that is busier/bigger now than during it's hub years? Or does BNA and SJC also fall into that category?
RDU I always feel like it was a hub before its time. Now with the amazing growth there they probably could have supported a hub in some shape or form. But they enjoy a diverse mix of airlines with a growing Delta focus city operation that is not unlike a small hub anyways. I think the focus city is actually larger than the CVG "hub".
michman wrote:jb1087xna wrote:michman wrote:
Expected by who? Lots of 50 seat CRJ flying still showing in the schedule out of CVG in 2018. I seriously doubt these are all going to be replaced.
I have no information at all about CRJs in CVG, but DL's schedules in 2018 shouldn't be trusted at all for firm times or equipment at this point.
I'm sure there will be tweaks in the schedule and equipment, but claiming they will upgrade equipment on 14 daily roundtrips is a pretty huge leap.
Noise wrote:Is RDU the only airport that is busier/bigger now than during it's hub years? Or does BNA and SJC also fall into that category?
Noise wrote:Is RDU the only airport that is busier/bigger now than during it's hub years? Or does BNA and SJC also fall into that category?
Jerry123 wrote:I'd say DUB. It might not be failing but Aer Lingus regional have definitely retrenched a bit by dropping LPL, CWL and DSA.